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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:11 am 
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First off, an introduction.

I haven't posted recently because I've been working on the following project. I noticed about a week ago that I had reached 175 posts, and thought that it was enough of a milestone to warrant a compilation. I've also included some advice previously sent in private messages only that I feel warrants greater circulation.

I have not edited any of this crap, nor have I included quotes from anyone that is not me (that I am aware of). If someone feels such quotes are neccessary, feel free to edit the text and post an updated version of this document. Aslong as I'm getting all the credit, I appreciate all the help I can get. ^__^

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I'm called Monkey, and I'm new to the PUA scene. I was introduced, as many have been recently, by The Game, Style's book on the pick-up underground, and have been trying to find my own niche in Edmonton for the last week or so. I have four numbers, four kisses and a ten-minute make-out session under my belt thus far (in relation only to my sarging; previous, I've slept with ten women and made out with countless more). I've never been particularly bad with women, but I've never been particularly good either; what the community and its literature have taught me so far has been a good analysis of what has worked in the past for me. Looking back, I can see where I've fucked up with the women I've fucked up with, and gotten with the women I've gotten with, and analyze it based on PUA methods.

My own method is an amalgam of Mystery Method and Juggler Method; I'll start with some canned material if nothing situational presents itself (one of my favorites is "That tattoo/bracelet/shirt/black eye looks like it has a story behind it. Let's hear it."), and move into a more casual conversation making statements and asking questions as I feel it is appropraite. I've been sarging solo, with mixed results, and I'm looking for a decent wing in Edmonton, preferably someone who knows the basics. I've got plenty of book knowledge on the subject now; it's just a question of putting it to work more liberally.

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Absolutely! It's not that there's never something to talk about; if a girl has a great tattoo or some interesting jewelry, I'll start it off from there, but if there's nothing else going on, a good opener can be a lifesaver. And really, an opener is just to start a conversation. Whether or not seduction comes into it is secondary. In the last ten days, I've had more great conversations with people than I have in the previous three months.

So if nothing else, that's what this community has done for me. Getting past fear of approach is the most important thing anyone can do for themselves, I think.

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Of course not. But it can't be free.

People value that which they have earned. If you just offer free dinner and a movie, she will not value those things terribly much. If you tell her "If you're good, and you give me a backrub, I'll might take you to a movie," you've made a trade. She has to be good, she has to give you a backrub, or you're not going to treat her to the movie. Hell, you might even still GO to the movie, but you're not going to pay for it without getting something in return.

It doesn't need to be sex, but it has to be something. Otherwise she controls the flow of the relationship. And honestly, NO ONE should control the relationship, as it is a collaboration.

Just my two pii.

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She already knows that you are interested in talking to her; you've approached her. An SOI, even one as sincere and seemingly innocent as that, can get you blown out of a set right away if you don't have your conversational jujitsu down.

See, Sorin advocates a very good, solid technique for establishing quick rapport and immediate emotional connection. But it is risky, and it requires skills that a lot of newcommers simply don't have. To begin with, we all start with the bad routines and the canned openers; it's how we learn what works, what doesn't, and how to come up with our own stuff. If used as conversational crutches, these things will eventually kill your game, but they're a good place to start off if you're just starting out.

Anyone can introduce himself. I could walk up to a hundred people today and shake one hundred hands, and say to each of them "Hi. I'm Monkey." And each and every one of those people would remember me, because I had walked up to them and introduced myself. That takes guts all by itself. It breaks the social norm of "Don't talk to strangers," and the breaking of social norms gets people thinking.

Even with Sorin's "I like you. I'd like to get to know you," opener, what comes AFTER you've opened the set is what is really important. For one thing, I don't actually know that I like these people. I find them attractive physically, certainly, but do I like them? Not really. Not YET. And so to declare it at the beginning of a conversation would in fact be counterproductive for me. As much as I WANT to learn to like you, I don't yet, and so if I say that I do, I'll be lying. "I like you. You seem like nice people," is a line I use in way of SOI as my first relate/reward cycle. It's a line for escalation, not for opening.

To walk up to someone and state "I'd like to get to know you," at the beginning of the conversation may be more generally applicable, but it doesn't really reduce how creepy it comes off at first. If someone were to walk up to me with a gigantic smile and say "I'd like to get to know you," I'd likely walk away without saying anything. If they were to walk up to me and say "Hi, I'm Kate," I'm more likely to wait and see what they have to say.

I'm sure your method is working for you, Sorin, but it's pretty advanced for a group that seems composed mostly of newcomers to pickup. We can't be afraid to take baby steps in our paths to game-betterment. Canned openers, routines and the like are the first step on the road; you're sitting at the first crossroad waiting for everyone else to catch up.

You rabbit, you.

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Here's the thing about profiles.

No matter what you put down, eventually you're going to have to back it up. So there's no point in lying or beating around the bush. Write your profile like you would write your autobiography. Make it less like a resume and more like your personal STORY in profile form.

Then again, I avoid online dating as much as humanly possible.
People on the internet are strange.

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Alright. That's a pretty jargon-heavy way of asking the following: If I'm focusing on my target and ignoring/negging her friends, is it harder or easier to close than if I focus on her friends and utilize NLP?

I always suggest approaching your target first. Now, a lot of methods tell you that you should approach everyone except your target and play off her jealousy. Honestly, the latter is easier, but we're not in the game because it's easy, are we?

If you focus on your target, do not neg her friends. Engage her friends. Befriend her friends. Let them know that you're not a creepy serial killer out to take the target to a dark alley. But make it clear, through your body language and subtle hints, that your target is with you. If you can, have her introduce them to you; it solidifies this image in their heads. Every time they see you, they will think of you as "That guy with Debby."

That way, when you move to isolate, it won't come as a surprise. They're expecting it, and they're always alright with it if she is. In fact, you can even isolate all sneaky-sneaky, and they won't think a thing of it because she's with you.

And I never use NLP. If I had to sink to hypnotizing women to sleep with me, I'd just neuter myself and be done with it. I'm sure it's powerful, but I'm not in this for the power. I'm in this because it's a challenge and it's fun. ^_^

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So I've been trying to deal with this for a bit, but I've come to no conclusions on my own, so I'm bringing it to you guys.

I can sarge all-female sets like there's no tomorrow. In a four-set, I can be the center of attention and become the "Life of the Party," but as soon as a guy comes into the set, I get Approach Anxiety +. Normal AA I can handle, and I have been doing cold approaches for a while. But ask me to approach a mixed group, and it's worse.

I just don't know how to deal with guys. I'll actually back off a set if a guy they know enters it; I don't know what to say, don't know how to act. Quite honestly, they frighten the hell out of me. (I have a very large and healthy respect for pain, and wish to avoid it at all costs).

I think in part it's because I've always been more fomfortable talking to girls. Guys scare me. I'm not very tall, and I'm a little overweight. In a boxing ring, I'm not too bad, but I've never gotten through a street- or bar-fight on the winning side, and I'm always afraid it'll end in violence.

Another part is that The Game has become so popular, I'm afraid they'll call me on it. I've had it happen once with a girl, and regardless of the material you're using, the behavioral pattern is pretty well the same.

I'm not sure this has been a problem for anyone else, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Monkey

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Juggler's stuff can kick your game to a whole new level, or it can completely kill it, depending entirely on your delivery. It's pretty advanced stuff, but if it's handled properly, and you're in a good frame for it, it is easilly the best method presently in print.

Juggler's stuff builds rapport so quickly it's frightening. It assumes attraction, which takes the pressure of performance off, and has you talking to new sets as though they were already good friends. One of his instructors, from what I've heard, walks up and hugs people as part of his approach. ^_^

And the SOI is easilly the most powerful weapon in my arsenal right now. Relate/Reward cycles are incredibly powerful, as well, and the SOI keys into that.

Where Juggler Method fails is in newb delivery. You can't just walk up and say "Hey, I love that shirt you're wearing. I think it's really sexy." Well, you can if you're in the right frame, but under normal circumstances, you shouldn't. SOIs have to be earned, and earning them requires the previous establishment of a relate/reward cycle. "That's really sexy," can have a girl making out with you in minutes, but it's part of an escalating cycle that requires decent groundwork, and the groundwork can be tricky to newcomers.

If you're interested in testing your boundries, buy his book and give it a shot. An added bonus is that it never works with canned material; it simply gives structure to a normal conversation. It comes off slick and natural, and that's always a plus in this game.

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Yeah, Mystery's still around. He's still running workshops. He's still calling himself a Venusian Artist (heh). Seems like he's thrived off the attention, really.

I like the line; it's risky, it's cocky, if it's delivered in the right frame, it can be funny. Try triangular gazing before you deliver this one, and then run the Left-eye Right-eye pattern back and forth; at the end of the ten second, look at her mouth, lick your lips, and go in.

As for websites and such, just search around for a bit. The Bristol Lair has a good website up with some basic skills and routines for perusal. Cliff's List is still an invaluable resource. Mystery still has a forum up and going, but most of what is talked about there is heavilly entrenched in his book, so you'll want to do some reading first. Other than that, just look around and see what you can find. ^_^

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Do not underestimate the discriminating nose of your target. Women are more sensative to scent than men are. At the very least, smell clean. I've been meaning to post a write-up for newbs with various hygene tips.

One of those tips is that, properly used, colognes can be powerfully attractive. Improperly used, they're as bad as body odour. If you develop reactions to heavilly perfumed soaps, deodorants and cologne, don't use them. But at the very least, smell clean.

As for the smell of sweat while dancing, we may be conscious of it, but as long as it's clean sweat, it's really no big. A female friend of mine once said it best: There's nothing as sexy as the smell of fresh sweat on a man. Consider the following: they did a study in which women were questioned regarding their emotional state after smelling various scents. One of the substances smelled was clean male sweat. After smelling the sweat, a very strong majority of the women said that they felt "Aroused." So dance it up. Just make sure you shower first.

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What Big Willie did with this move was create a purposeful misinterpretation. He treated her just like he would any other waitress in the bar. Such misinterpretations can be made just about anywhere, with, hopefully, as decent an effect.

Walk up to a girl in Wal-Mart and ask her to price check something (a toy Powerpuff Girl would be perfect, setting up the Powerpuff Girl routine for later in the sarge).
You: Hey, could you price check this for me? I'll be in the Men's section.

From there you could move on to Tyler Durden's coat move. Grab a coat from the rack and say "Hey, check this out," and start walking toward a mirror. If she starts to follow you (and she should), grab another coat of the same kind and put it on her. Then look in the mirror together. Put your arm around her. A powerful technique when used properly.

Walk up to a girl at a restaurant.

You: Could we get a refill on the coffee please? (point to your table, set down a dollar in random change and a condom and walk back to your table).

When she gives you back the condom, make like she's hitting on you. Run the Sexual Predators routine from there on in, and any other routines you want. You also have the benefit of sitting, which is unintimidating, and you can have her make an early commitment to sitting with you, a la Juggler.

You: I can't talk to you anymore.
Her: Why?
You: It's sort of intimidating, having a sexual predator hover over you. If you want to keep talking to me, you'll have to sit down.

Hell, you could even run this on the street. Have your wing call your cell phone from across the street. Answer, then hand it off to her.

You: (Horribly confused) Um... It's for you... I'll be over here.

Have your friend run some quick phone game on her to get her in frame, and then run with it when she gives you back your phone. ^__^

This could well be a whole new frontier of options for Opening.

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Don't even bother following it up. She knows what you're going to do at your house. Leave it at the funny.

You: Hey, does smoking catnip get you high?
Her: I don't know...
You: I found my roommate's secret stash. We should go back to my place and find out.
Her: Yeah, alright.
You: How were you getting home?
Her: HBObstacle was going to drive me.
You: We should let her know we'll be calling a cab, first. We don't want her to worry. ^__^

Then go tell HBObstacle that you're calling a cab for the both of you, and go.

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To cop a quote from Style, "It's not lying. It's flirting."

Canned openers can work wonders for newbies, and they can cripple you if you rely to heavilly on them. Let's face it; some guys just don't have the game they need to keep girls interested right off the bat. They need help, and canned openers can do that for them. Canned routines work the same way. In his "Moving Target" video, he manages to keep a good conversation going without relying too heavilly on routines. The only time a routine comes up is to re-start the conversation if it's failing.

And let's take a really critical look at routines for a moment.

The best routines are those that are taken directly from your life. Take a look at this essay for a method of building good routines that are taken from your life, if that's more your cuppa.

I've got nothing against canned routines and openers. I'm more likely to build a converstaion with a girl the same way I would any other conversation. But if it starts to grind down, and the energy is lagging, and I'm not at a point where I'm comfortable closing, I'll toss out my personalized Magic Spells (involving my homosexual brother), or ask her what her favorite dinosaur is, or I'll run the CUBE or S.Fields. It'll get the conversation going again, until we can think of more interesting things to say.

It's not lying. It's flirting.

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I agree; never give her your number. Especially if you're running cocky-funny. As soon as she stepped foot out of that bar, she was out of frame and, by now, has completely forgotten to call you.

Better would have been something like this:

BHItalian: So what are you doing this weekend?
Orion: Well tomorrow I'm doing such-and-such, and then Sunday you're coming for coffee with me at this-or-that-place (a place with a couch). Other than that, I'm completely free.

And if you can game four girls into a hot tub with you, then start a Massage Circle... Shocked You'd be asking us whether you should switch condoms between girls in a four-on-one orgy.

The answer to which is "Yes," by the by. Buy a big box.

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Don't fall into this trap. There is a huge difference between being the center of the party and being the party clown. You do not have to perform for anyone; it can be a great way to demonstrate value, but it can also become a crutch. It can also be a little creepy, if you overdo it. "Hey, that guy knew some great tricks, but it was weird that he came up and just started performing. Should we have given him our spare change?" You are not a circus monkey.

Instead, work on getting them to like you. Everyone. All the time. Be energetic, have interesting things to say, ask open-ended questions, and make other people feel as though they are the ones that are important to the conversation. If you can build any sort of rapport with the others in the group, you'll find your target much more pliable in your mid-game.

Don't make them your audiance. Make them your friends.

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Um... Let's clean that up a bit, shall we?

First open. Ask an opinion, or do something funny or cute to get the set's attention. Ignore your target (not something I advocate personally), and neg her if appropriate. Build group rapport until you have gained a level of acceptance at which it is possible to isolate your target.

Isolate your target. Build value. Escalate the sexuality utilizing kino and relate/reward cycles. Attempt a close.

Let's keep the order of events straight. We'd hate to confuse people.

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Ok. So value.

A pretty girl inherently believes she is worth more than you are. This is not because she's a bitch or because she's conceited; she is simply much more concerned about her own well-being than about yours. As a survival trait, we only mate with those we percieve to have value equal to, or greater than, our own. After all, anyone can sleep with an ugly geek chick, but that's not the point of this game, is it?

Creating value requires that you show her a desirable quality that the other men who've hit on her don't have. If you can do magic tricks, and no one else in the club can, you have greater value than AFC#255. You can only demonstrate this value by showing her said trick. ESP tests are much the same. If you can show her an ability no one else in the club has, you become more desirable due to your percieved value.

Value is not kept entirely to tricks, though. There are a good many things women value that have nothing to do with exotic abilities. Being fun, funny, empathetic, showing your dominance over the group (and her), and a good many other things can be used to demonstrate value, and not one of them requires knowing a single magic trick.

I don't know anything you can't find in Magic Tricks for Dummies. In fact, I only know one magic trick, and it sucks. A lot. ^_^

The CUBE is the shotgun you keep in your Big Bag of Routines. It is a simple cold-reading technique used to qualify and build rapport. If you can show that you know things about her already, she feels more comfortable allowing you to see deeper emotions and more powerful feelings. This builds deeper rapport. Here's how it works.

You: Let's play a game.
Her: Um... Ok...
You: It's an imagination game, so you don't need anything to play. Close your eyes. Alright. You're walking down the street, it's a lovely day, and off on the side of the road you see a cube. How big is your cube?
Her: Um... This big (holds up her hands).
You: Ok. What color is it?
Her: (Color).
You: Now can you see through the cube, or is it completely opaque? (Opaque being one of my favorite words)
Her: You can see through it a bit.
You: Kind of like stained glass?
Her: Yes! Exactly.
You: Ok. There's a ladder somewhere near or on your cube. Where's the ladder located?
Her: On the side.
You: Right against the side or leaning against it?
Her: Um... Leaning.
You: Ok. And there's a horse. Where is the horse in relation to the cube?
Her: Um... He he... Right on top!

So here's the translation.

The size of the cube is a rough estimation of how big her ego is.

The color is an indicator of personality.

Whether you can see through the cube determines how easy she is to "read." If it's completely see-through, she's an open book. If it's opaque, she only tells you as much as she wants you to know.

The ladder represents how easilly one can become her friend. If it's right against the side of the cube, you can say something like "It takes a lot of work to become your friend, but once someone is, they're your friend for life." If it leans, you can say "You make friends pretty easilly, but it's still a climb." For laying in the grass or sitting on top of the cube, or any other weird answer, make it up, and make it funny.

The horse can be one of two things. If it's a good time for it (and she had an answer you like) it can be her favorite sexual position. If it's a bad time, you can say "And the horse is just there because I like horses, and I think they're funny."

If I run the cube, I usually run Strawberry Fields right afterward. You can make the Cube sexual by substituting "Ego" for "Libido" and "Open book" for "Complete slut," but I find S.Fields way easier to work for this.

As I said, the CUBE demonstrates value because you "know" things about her before she's said anything. It's all truisms; it could apply to nearly anyone. Think about things like Horoscopes and how often they seem to be "right." You can interpret the answers any way you please, but it feels like you know everything about her right off the bat. DEEP rapport can follow from this, and you can usually escalate your kino or phase shift after a good execution of these techniques.

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I've run the cube on multiple girls at once (as many as four), and though it lacked intimacy, it did have the desired effect of making me the social center of the room. One of the few times I've noticed EVERYONE looking at me was when I had a table of four Danish girls laughing at one another for more than ten minutes. Then I ran S. Fields. Failed the close, but opened a set nearby and kiss-closed it based almost entirely on social proof.

I agree that you shouldn't run it on the whole set OFTEN, but when you're in the mood to entertain, go nuts with it.

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A condom, used properly (pinch the tip) is 98% effective in preventing pregnancy. There is always room for error. Extraction (pulling out before you go), is 70% effective as a method of contraception. If you're playing the numbers game, you've got about as much chance of getting a girl pregnant using the both together that you have of winning the lottery twice in a row.

And if by some freak chance you HAVE gotten her pregnant, I salute the valiance of your superior sperm!

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Movies are rough. You're expected to be quiet through them, and that can really dampen your chances of charming a girl with your wit (my weapon of choice). If you MUST watch movies, have her pick one, and you pick one, and watch hers FIRST for two reasons.

Your movie will be a horror movie to allow for kino escalation and the possibility of turning it off to do something that involves less fear. Also, fear is an aphrodesiac. I don't know why. It just is.

Second, it makes you look like you actually give a shit which movie she picked. In fact, you should always be really excited to watch the movie she picks, because "It's something I've been dying to watch but haven't had a chance!" It's a point of relation, something on which you can begin a relate-reward cycle that starts before the movies, runs through them, and escalates afterward. And if her movie sucks, you can at least look forward to watching the movie you've picked.

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Ah the Vacuum.

At it's most basic, the vacuum is uncomfortable silence. You say something (ask a question, make an open-ended statement) and wait. You look right at the person while you're waiting, because you're expecting some sort of answer. If it gets uncomfortable for you, at least you know it's working. ^__^ She'll give in eventually, and tell you what you need to know.

Her: How many women have you been with?
You: I stopped counting when I beat Charlie Sheen. Why?
Vacuum.
Her: Um... Just wondering...

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High school. Sigh. You're too young to worry about pick-up just yet. Have a couple of bad relationships, first. Get some experience under your belt. I'm not saying that pick-up's an old man's game or anything, but you definitely have to have a couple of hard knocks before going into it. If nothing else, it requires a level of maturity to keep these kinds of skills in check. I'm glad I didn't know about the scene in high school, or I'm certain I'd be a pretty fucked up individual by now. Hell, with what few skills I had back then, I ended up a pretty fucked up individual...

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I think the big problem here is the fact that you said she looked like your ex. Not a friend from college, not your old roommate, not your old boss, but your ex-girlfriend. When opening, and even moving into your first routine, never talk about your ex-girlfriends. Talk about your CURRENT girlfriends if you like (Yeah, I've got three in Sydney, and a couple in Calgary, one in Bangladesh; she's fun...), but don't relate them to your ex. Here's why.

If a girl who looks like her, moves like her and eats like her once dated you, that means that to her Doppleganger you had Value. However, the two of you are no longer together, which means one of two things: either she dumped you, decreasing your value, or you dumped her, decreasing your value. By saying she looks just like your platonic roommate ("You two could be twins! Except... My old roommate was a guy... *strange look*"), you do not place the stigma of a past breakup into her mind. Saying she looks really familiar is a great way to start too. It's Double-Take in action.

You: (walk past her and glance at her, then look away. Then look at her with a confused look on your face) You look really familiar.
Her: I don't know you.
You: I didn't say you did. But you look JUST LIKE someone I know... I just can't figure out who. Do you have a sister?
Her: Yeah.
You: Does your sister live in (place)?
Her: Um... No.
You: (Excited now!) I know! You look just like my cat! You're so cute!

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First, I find day game way easier than club game. For me, the SPAM of a club, though sexually charged, is also a lot more closed to outside interaction. You have to have a lot of energy for club game, and I'm not the energetic type. It's work for me to be that energetic for extended periods of time. Day game is a slower process. You have to take your time and savor each step. For some guys it's easier; I think all you really need to do is slow down, and keep from rushing through the steps. Get out of your own head and focus on the interaction, and you'll find the pacing a lot easier to grasp.

Second, always have a plan. Even if you memorize a bunch of canned (not neccessarilly mainstream; your own material can be canned too) openers and routines, you should have some sort of plan going in. I have a few depending entirely on how many girls there are. If there's only one girl, I walk in with something canned, listen to her response, start a conversation, introduce myself (I realize I'm supposed to wait for her to ask, but in day game it's reassuring), and start building rapport and attraction sloooooooooooowly. Have a set of steps you follow, a structure to every interaction you get into, and you will find yourself doing way better in situations like these. And remember: ex-girlfriends = bad. The only time you're allowed to talk about your ex-girlfriend is if you inform the young lady you are with "I am about to break the rules now and talk about my ex-girlfriend," which shows her that you understand this social faux pas and have purposely chosen to ignore it in this instance.

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Gift giving is part of our evolutionary make-up. It is how guys are wired to get a girl's attention. Give her something nice/thoughtful/useful/pretty and she will equate the feelings of the gift with her feelings for the giver.

Sadly, it doesn't work. I feel the urge to buy things for girls too, but now I make sure I use it as a reward, if I give into the urge at all. Usually I don't. I treat it like I treat approach anxiety; it's an annoyance, but I put up with it until it goes away.

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Any movie about the game will have fairly little to SAY about any of our techniques, short of using the Talk to the Camera approach to explain every nuance of a pick-up. Which they could do, and I could see being quite entertaining.

Here's the real good thing about such a movie: it will force us to become more creative. We'll have to find new techniques, new routines, and build a whole new set of pick-up technology. Yay! Creativity rocks.

The bad thing is that girls are going to know you're picking them up. And it's not really a bad thing. My pivot and I have had an interesting conversation about it, and we've determined that, even if you completely understand how it's working, it STILL WORKS. In fact, it works better because it becomes a "game," in name and in fact. I have a field report and a lay report I need to post at some point that will illustrate this fact more clearly, I think. I don't have access to them at the moment, but when I do, I'll post them.

Not to worry guys. If anything, this is going to be even MORE fun.

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I had a set like this on Friday. A great set, I opened well, the rest of the set left the target isolated with me, and then came back and were total bitches about it.

Exact words: "Our real friends are here, so we're going to go drink with them for a bit, kay?" really snotty and arrogant, like I'm a huge prick for striking up a conversation. The target even looked embarrassed.

Standard cock-blocking, though. In your first set, she set up the cock-block herself. Having to wait for her friends was a shit-test. You should have backed it up with something like "Great! Introduce me to your friends!" This makes you a part of the set almost instantly.

The second set was ultimately a result of not winning her friends over first. You jumped from early game straight to mid game (languages are a mid-game topic in my experience; you can help build rapport and attraction if you prove you're a quick learner, and when it comes to languages, I am. Your milage may vary), and that alerted her friends to the iminent danger you posed. Keep in mind you are a sexual predator, and girls will sense that if you give away too much of your game too soon.

As for me, I was a victim of not warming my obstacles enough as well. I really should have focused on the ugly friend instead of the hot chick. *sigh* So much to learn.

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Experience will help you internalize. It's easier to understand a situation if you have a personal reference point from which to relate it. If you look at a set later and go "Ok, that's where I went wrong," you'll find you do better the next time around. It helps to get an outsider's opinion on it too. And that's what we're here for. ^__^

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What you are asking about is called a "Statement of Interest," in Juggler Method, and its timing can be crucial. Really, it has nothing to do with what you say, but when you say it, and how.

An SOI comes as part of a relate/reward cycle. Whenever she says something you find particularly attractive, let her know. If she says something intellectual, tell her "I find intelligent women very sexy." If she says something fun, cocky, playful, wise, or whatever you find sexy in a woman, tell her you find that thing sexy. Use that exact word. Sexy is worth 25 of your next best word, and 50 of "hot."

Accompany an SOI with escalation. For instance, if she tells you a funny joke, the sequence could look like this:

HB: Funny joke.
You: Ha ha ha. You know, I find a sense of humor really sexy. Come sit with me.

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Since my most recent attempt at pickup was dashed by the target having read Style’s book and my own lack of new, personal material, I was a bit nervous. I walked into the club, chatted up the coat-check girl to get myself into a decent frame. She was nice, smiled a lot, but there was a time constraint (people coming up the stairs), so I quickly ejected. The One is “my” bar, so the bartender, Jay, poured me a glass of Lagavulin as soon as he spotted me, and one of the regular waitresses opened me about the pros and cons of various kinds of scotch. She’s a 5, but pleasant enough to talk to, and lent me social proof all night, which was kind of her.

I moved to my Perch, a lovely leather couch on a raised stage where one might survey the rest of the club, and waited. There are three of them. Mine is the one on the far right, where a table is set up for me to put my scotch down while I observe.

It was still early in the night, and I was one of perhaps ten sets (ranging from solo to ten-sets) at the bar. I enjoyed my scotch.

Scotch is not something one can enjoy with people. It is a solitary pursuit, one that requires a discerning palette and an appreciation for complexity in flavor. For those uninitiated in the enjoyment of scotch, I present to you “Monkey’s Quick-Start Guide to Scotch Appreciation.”

MONKEY’S QUICK-START GUIDE TO SCOTCH APPRECIATION

First and foremost, scotch must be appreciated on its own. It should not be mixed with anything in a bar environment, and should not be served On the Rocks. Water (what ice becomes as it melts) dilutes the flavor of the drink and provides it a strange texture. At home, you may add exactly one teaspoon of water per shot of liquor, and only so that you may better appreciate the aroma. More dilutes the scotch irreparably; less has no discernable effect.
Before you take your first sip, take the time to appreciate the aroma of the scotch. Each scotch has its own unique scent. As the vast majority of our taste sensations are actually derived from smell, you can get a better idea of which parts of the flavor come from the drink’s scent. Also, it smells good. A properly aged scotch has a pungent, spicy scent, not unlike nutmeg and cinnamon, with an underlying alcoholic aroma. Improperly aged scotch smells like alcohol mixed liberally with ass.
Take a small sip. Take the time to move the scotch around your mouth for a bit, touching each part of your tongue. Every part of your tongue experiences taste differently, so it is important to coat your entire mouth with scotch before swallowing. After you finally swallow the scotch, let the drink sit for a moment in your stomach before taking another sip. Notice and appreciate the warmth in your chest and stomach. Notice how closely those feelings relate to the sensation of apprehension and fear you first feel on approaching a new set. Scotch drinkers love that sensation.
For first-time scotch drinkers, I suggest the House Scotch, whatever the House Scotch happens to be. When you’ve grown accustomed to the taste (and the strength of the drink), upgrade to a Glenfiddich, a Glenlivet or a Lagavulin. The longer it’s aged, the better the scotch will be, so don’t be worried if you’re paying out the nose for a bottle of thirty-year-old hootch.
I’ve also recently be initiated into the world of brandy. Brandy has a very sharp spice at the tip of the tongue that evaporates into a fruity lightness as one spreads it around the mouth. I think I am quite in love with the waitress (the five previously mentioned) if for no other reason but her expansive knowledge of booze.

A five-set walks in the door. I ignore them, but I recognize that the Game is afoot. A large set of girls brings guys into the club. A full club attracts more girls. I also noticed a slightly peacocked dude sitting by himself and made a mental note that he may be on the hunt, or he may just be by himself with no one to talk to. Perhaps a cockblocker, perhaps a potential wing.

I take a walkabout. This is one of my favorite surveying techniques in a full club; just walk around bobbing to the music, all by yourself, and look at everyone you see. Make mental notes about possible sets, say hi to waitresses and bartenders, and then go back to what you were doing. I tend to stay away from sets larger than three, as I usually fly solo and trying to isolate in a group any larger can be… interesting. There are a couple of four-sets, a five set, and a bunch of guys. I’ll have to wait for a bit, but first my potential wing.

MONKEY: Are you running game tonight, or just sitting by yourself?
MYTH: Running game?
MONKEY: Trying to pick up chicks.
MYTH: Um. Well I’m new to Edmonton. I don’t really know anybody, and this is the first weekend I’ve had off in ages, and I don’t really go out to bars, and I’m from a small town…

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If I’d known I was going to get a life-story, I wouldn’t have approached. Still, the boy proved useful if only for providing social proof. A waitress approached us, drink-tray full of shots.

SHOOTERGIRL: You guys ok here?
MYTH: I’m fine.
MONKEY: I’m doing great. How are _you_?

She sets her tray on our table and cocks her head to one side. Ah. When asking this simple question, stress the importance of the person asked, not her state. Asking “How _are_ you,” is the common stress; “How are _you_?” is much more powerful.

SHOOTERGIRL: I’m alright I guess.
MONKEY: Just alright?
SHOOTERGIRL: Yeah. I guess.
MONKEY: On a scale of one to ten, where would you say you are?
SHOOTERGIRL: About a six.
MONKEY: Really? Just a six? Must be a rough night.
SHOOTERGIRL: No, not really. Just boring.
MONKEY: What could I do for you that would make your night a ten?
SHOOTERGIRL: Um… It would involve massage oil and a backrub.
MONKEY: I can arrange that.
SHOOTERGIRL: And eggs benedict would have to be in there somewhere too.
MONKEY: I’m a great cook.
SHOOTERGIRL: And someone would have to vacuum my house, in a leopard Speedo.
MONKEY: Whoa there, girlie. Let’s not get greedy. How about my boxers?
SHOOTERGIRL: Are they leopard boxers?
MONKEY: I don’t know. Let me check. (I already know what my boxers look like, but I check anyway.) Nope, kind of stripy.
SHOOTERGIRL: Stripy?
MONKEY: Yeah. With stripes.
SHOOTERGIRL: I guess they’ll do.
MONKEY: I’m Monkey.
SHOOTERGIRL: Um… Shootergirl…

She actually said that. “Shootergirl.” And then she walked away, smiling. I knew I could have had tried better game, made myself less available, negged a bit, but I didn’t want to have to wait until three or four to close, so waitresses were off my list for the night. Besides, she was fun, and I winked at her a few minutes later.

MYTH: That was smooth.
MONKEY: (Knowing there was nothing smooth about it at all) Game at its finest. I guess you can wing for me tonight.

So we head back into the rest of the bar, and I can see it’s starting to pick up a bit. A hot three-set by the SPAM, a cute solo sitting by the dance floor, a two-set at the bar and a bunch of AFC dudes had come in, and were milling about. I sent Myth in on the three-set with the My Little Pony opener, and suggesting the “If I wasn’t gay” hook. He opens well, sidling up from ten-o’clock, and they talk for a while. Then he lets the conversation die, and they go their separate ways. He didn’t use the gay hook, but he had a nice little conversation with them, and as he’s a self-proclaimed shy guy, I figure it is progress. Every approach counts.

I approach the next set, the cute solo by the dance floor. She looked like a nine, a tiny Asian chick with red streaks in her hair. I sidled up to her, looked her in the eye, said “Hi. What’s your favorite dinosaur?” and had to high-tail it out of there. Her teeth were so disgusting I could not force myself to look at them for more than two minutes. I was nice. I was polite. I even joked with her, but there was no way I was going to number-close a girl with hideous tooth decay.

I don’t really have a lot of room to talk. I have had some trouble with dental hygiene in the past. I recently spent three thousand dollars getting my mouth fixed to a point where it’s presentable. Fourteen cavities, three extractions and a root canal later, I can actually smile at girls again. The experience has only heightened my appreciation for a pretty mouth, though, so I gave her a “it was a pleasure meeting you,” and skedaddled.

Back at the couch, with my new wing in tow, I spotted a decent two-set and set Myth after them. He didn’t want to approach anyone, though, so I went after them myself. One was an enormous young lady of girth equal to my height. The other was an HB8 with dark skin, and a lovely smile.

MONKEY: Wondering if you ladies could settle a debate for me.
GIRLS: Sure.
MONKEY: Do you guys believe that magic spells work?
GIRTH: No.
HB8: Yes.
MONKEY: (At Girth) Why not?
GIRTH: I’ve never seen any evidence.
HB8: (She leans in, establishing Kino before I’m halfway through the opener…) You have to believe in something bigger than blah, blah, blah.
MONKEY: (At Girth) I’m starting to see it her way. Blah, blah, story about my wing and some girl, blah, blah. So yeah, it’s weird. I want to tell him something to reassure him, but I don’t really know how I feel about it.
GIRTH: He’s just freaked out, is all.
HB8: (Leaning in, Kino again) I think so too. He’s just freaked out. That would be weird though, eh? Someone just walking up and saying “I cast a spell on you…” I’d be freaked out. She’s psycho.
MONKEY: So why are you guys sitting? I saw you dancing in your seats ten seconds ago.
HB8: We don’t like this song, this techno bullshit. It’s alright if you’re high, but not when you’re just drunk.
MONKEY: Agreed. I’m a hip-hop fan, myself. It makes me feel like life can still be an adventure, that there are things I haven’t done yet, and some day I will.
HB8: I LOVE hip-hop. Fifty-cent is like, God.
MONKEY: Fifty-cent?
HB8: Yeah! Fifty-cent!
MONKEY: (To GIRTH) Has she always had bad taste in hip-hop artists?
GIRTH: Yeah. She likes Eminem, too.
MONKEY: Eminem I can understand. The man can spit. But Fifty-cent’s just a marketing gimmick.
HB8: You’re kind of cute.
MONKEY: You’re kind of drunk.

I decide I’ve got strong enough rapport with the both of them that I can simultaneously cube them both. I do so, and they are both floored by my personality-reading skills. Then that new Justin Timberlake song comes on, and they both run out to dance. I head back up to the couch to talk to Myth, gain social proof, pass some time and drink my scotch. About ten minutes pass, which is apparently enough time for the girls to get tired of dancing (I’m surprised Girth lasted that long) and come up to another couch. I notice, and shift positions, re-opening by simply pointing my fingers at them and letting the conversation take over. I start in a chair, but eventually gain enough confidence to move Girth’s purse and sit between them, effectively isolating while keeping Girth occupied. I’d tried to get my new wing to help out on that accord, but he really is a shy guy and doesn’t want to. Whatever.

I chat with the both of them, fluff mostly. I look down at HB8 and see her tracing her inner elbow with her fingers.

MONKEY: Why are you tracing your elbow?
HB8: Because it feels nice. ^_^

I start tracing my fingers along the inner part of her arm. Ah.
I know, by basic instincts, that this is the time I should go for the kiss close, but I choke. She’s attracted, she’s been initiating Kino all night, we’re engaged in an activity that is specifically erotic in nature, and I choke.

So I leave the bar. It’s been a good night overall, with some strong interaction, a bit of fun touching, the meeting of a new, though as yet utterly inept, wing, and some good scotch. Maybe next week I’ll actually work up the nerve to utter those simple words: “Would you like to kiss me?”

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So one of the girls at work recently read my copy of the Game (I’d lent it to my boss, who left it at his other store), and she’s interested in seeing how and if it also works on guys. Earlier in the day, she number closes a cute guy on a bus, which is a great start, and wants to come out and try her hand a couple of club sets. We are certain that we can re-tailor a lot of the techniques used in present Game Theory to work on guys as well as girls; it’s been a learning process, and I’m quite enjoying the challenge.

I’m broke-ass, but she’s got a bottle of vodka, and I’ve got enough for mix, so we decide to meet at her house, she’ll paint my nails, we’ll get drunk and then head out to the clubs. This is my first night with nail-polish since high-school, and I have to say the results were spectacular. I keep three of my fingernails long (thumb, index and middle) and leave the other two short; the long ones are bright red, the short ones black. I was also armed with a penguin with LED lights that flash in a circle, a star that says sheriff on it, and a necklace with a fish (to open any conversation about astrology; I’m a Pisces). She put on a suit jacket and a beret, some Female War Paint and had all of her nails the same shade of red as mine. We’ll call her Mocha for reasons that become apparent later.

On the way to the club, I open a three set surrounded by guys. They’re all hot, talking amongst themselves, and ignoring every guy that walks up. Mocha has never seen me at work, so as we pass, I decide to approach, turn around and come in from 11:00. It’s a bit too steep an angle, and I can see that in their look as I approach, but I shove my hands between them and ask “What’s your first impression of these? Not the big hands, but the fancy nails.” (I took this straight out of The Game, but it’s an obscure line, and I DO have big hands. Mostly in the palms…)

HB7: They’re kind of girlie.
HB8: I think they’re awesome! (Grabbing my hand) And you have really soft hands!
HB9: Just don’t go to the wrong bars. You’ll get your ass kicked.
Monkey: I don’t intend to go to the wrong bars.
HB9: Where are you going?
Monkey: Well first I’m going to The One, and then I’m going home with you.
HB9: (Huge fit of embarrassed giggling). What makes you think I’ll let you?
Monkey: The fact that I can twist my tongue into a pretzel.
HB8: Show me! (She’s still holding my hand)
Monkey: You’ll just have to come pick me up at the One when you’re ready. (Shrug, and then point at HB7) You get to go first, I think.

Two things: 1) I later saw the HB8 at The One, without her friends. I invited her into my current set, but she looked a little embarrassed and didn’t want to join us. I couldn’t find her later to re-open. And 2) All of the guys standing around the three-set disappeared within seconds of my approach. It was a pleasure to watch, actually. It gave me butterflies.

When we get to the One, the two of us enter the next set together. She picked the target, so I was there mostly for social proof and reassurance. Again, my fingernails were the opener, and Mocha professes she thinks I’m going to get my ass kicked. She completely takes over the group, and an HB9 actually walks off the set in the presence of her superior game! I was quite impressed. While she’s talking to HD8 and HD9 (Hot Dudes) my Shootergirl walks up, smiles, hugs me, and we get to talking. She’d just turned thirty, and was hating being old, which I capitalized on saying that thirty is the new twenty and she should be out prowling for younger guys (pointing at myself; I only realized later how NLP that was – and I despise anything NLP - but it was an unconscious gesture, so I’ve forgiven myself). She seemed to agree, and then pointed out my fingernails, and my penguin. I flash brighter than the club lights when it’s dark out. ^_^ So I give her the penguin, telling her to take good care of him, but I want him back later in the night. She walks off with a posture that screams “I got a present! I got a present!” I keep that in mind for later.

Mocha has the set in complete control, so I look at her and ask if she’s seen Matt (our code for the night for “Do you want me to join the set?”). She says she last saw him at the bar (our code for “No, I’ve got this handled. Thanks for the social proof, but please go away.”) I head toward the bar checking out the social dynamic, get some social proof from Dancergirl (a young waitress I’ve befriended being a regular at the One), and look for a good set to approach. One presents itself near the dance floor, a two-set with a definite obstacle (not even a consolation prize; plain ugly), and an HB7. A very bored looking dude is sitting behind them, and they themselves look horribly bored.

Monkey: You guys look really bored!
HB7: Yeah. We’re waiting for our friends.
Monkey: Were they supposed to meet you here?
Obstacle: They’re on the dance floor.
Monkey: Why aren’t YOU on the dancefloor?
Obstacle: We were. It’s boring out there too.
Monkey: What’s your favorite dinosaur?
Obstacle: What?
Monkey: (Laughing)What’s your favorite dinosaur?
HB7: Brontosaurus!
Monkey: Brontosauruses never existed.
HB7: They did so. They were the ones with the long necks!
Monkey: Nope. They found out they’d put the wrong head on the right skeleton. The brontosaurus head was too small. It could never feed itself. The real dinosaur was a brachiosaur.
HB7: Really?
Monkey: Really. You seem nice! Let’s play a game!

The obstacle gets bored and leaves, and I start cubing the hottie. Part of what I love about the cube is how much time it takes. It seems like a really small conversation, but with enough embellishment, some flourishes and some other conversation thrown in, a good cubing can take fifteen minutes if you want it to. I was about three minutes into this one when the Obstacle came back and cock-blocked. I should have been focusing on her, and I know it, and I knew it at the time, but the HB was far more interesting than her friend.

I see Mocha is still with her set, so I scout the room for a bit, check out a few sets, talk to the waitress that knows everything about booze, and see the guy from my most recent set still sitting by himself. I decide I want back into the set (I cannot, for the life of me, remember why… I think I may have just been angry at the cock-block), so I approach.

Monkey: Where’d your friends go?
HD9: Dunno. I think they’re dancing.
Monkey: You look crazy bored, bro.
HD9: Yeah. I don’t really go out very often. Not my thing.

At this point Mocha joins me.

Mocha: Have you seen Matt around?
Monkey: Not lately. (To HD) Have you met my friend Mocha? She’s awesome!
HD9: Hi.
Mocha: Have you checked out Monkey’s fingernails yet?
HD9: I noticed them, yeah.
Mocha: Is he going to get his ass kicked later or what?

She takes over the set, I go wandering and watch their progress. She isolates him to the center couch (better would have been either of the sides; they’re darker) and their body language got really close. I had to remind her to initiate Kino (Monkey: “Hey, I just heard Kino’s coming to town!” Mocha: “I LOVE Kino!” Monkey: “Me too!”), and then later suggested a kiss close (“Hey, is Kate close?”), and then left her to her own devices.

As I wandered, I came across one of the girls from my very first set ever (She claimed to be a lesbian; I thought otherwise), and we freaked out like high-school girls and there were hugs and a kiss on the cheek. She was hanging out with her friends over there, and she was just going to get another drink.

Monkey: So who are your friends?
HBLesbian: Come with me!

There were introductions all around. The redheaded HB I recognized from my previous set with this girl, and there was beautiful, exotic dark skinned 9 I hadn’t met. There were also a bunch of guys at the table, so I decided to play this one right. I talked to the guys, mostly fluff, but excited interesting fluff (if any fluff can be called truly interesting). Then I ejected from the set, getting cheek-kisses from the girls and hand-shakes from the guys. As I went in for the exotic girl I told her she smelled delicious with a half-evil smile and walked away.

I got my penguin back from Shootergirl and went to talk to Boozegirl and Dancergirl. As a note: Putting any pin-on or magnetic jewelry on a girl means that you get to kino just under her shirt in an unobtrusive, non-frightening way. This sets up, for later, more obtrusive under-the-shirt kino. Plant the seeds, boys. Plant the seeds. Dancergirl actually makes a funny comment about how often I talk to the pretty waitresses at the bar: “People have got to be wondering ‘Who is this guy?’ we stand around and talk to him so much!” If only she knew. She got to keep the penguin for a while with the agreement that later, when I came to take him back, she’d have a good name for him.

Looking at the set with the exotic 9, I notice all of the guys are mysteriously absent. I take this as a good sign and re-open.

HBExotic: Oh my god!
Monkey: What?
HBExotic: Your nails are painted! They’re so pretty!
Monkey: Thank you.
HBExotic: (Taking my hand) Are these real?
Monkey: Last I checked.
HBExotic: And your hands are so SOFT!
Monkey: I don’t think so, not really. (In my head I’m thinking: “Was that three IOIs or four?”)
HBExotic: Here! (passing my hand to HBRedhead) Are his hands soft?
HBRedhead: Yeah! Wow. Do you use lotion or something?
Monkey: Nope. Natural softness I guess. Shrug. So where did the boys go?
HBExotic: Out for a smoke. I hate smokers.
Monkey: I don’t mind them. When we were voting for whether or not to pass a smoking bylaw in my hometown, I voted against it. It passed anyway, but I figure we should just let people do their own thing. Freedom is really important to me.
HBExotic: Even the freedom to do something that’s bad for you?
Monkey: Especially the freedom to do something that’s bad for you.
HBExotic: Where are you from? (Four? Five?)

We fluff for a little bit about home, work on some deeper rapport until we’re talking about my stint with alcoholism (and how I beat it; I can even drink occasionally without worrying too badly about a relapse), about her situation with her S.O., with whom she knows its over but he keeps thinking it’s not (Five; it’s got to be five). She’s a hand-talker, and I call her on it, grabbing her hand and not letting it go. She starts talking with the other hand, so I grab that one too. Yay kino! Mocha comes by and offers a bit of social proof, but I’ve got the situation well in hand for now. The guys and HBLesbian show up, and it turns out the guy HBExotic is with is FIFTY YEARS OLD! So I mock her mercilessly about dating old men, and tell her she should run away with a younger man (again, subconscious pointing at myself). I attempt to isolate, asking her if she wants to sit somewhere a little less noisy. She speaks up instead. So we talk for some more about where she’s from (India; I’ve never been with an Indian before…), about food and cooking, about her boyfriend’s extreme age, and how he does NOT fit in at the One. And when we’ve built enough rapport, I again go to isolate, this time using her friends for some subtle peer pressure.

Monkey: You guys are all so LOUD. Do you mind if I steal your friend for a bit?
HBLesbian: Nooooooooooo! You have to stay here with us! (To HBExotic) Isn’t he funny?!? I LOVE him!
Monkey: (to HBLesbian, cocky-funny in a horrible Spanish accent) Run away with me. Come to my mountain retreat and make babies with me. We will make BEAUTIFUL babies.
HBLesbian: Hehehehehe!

So one more time, I go back to building rapport. I escalate the kino, caressing the backs of her hands, and her shoulders. I lean in sideways when she’s talking to me. I run my fingers through her hair. I build so much rapport I should have my own talk show! I can’t go for the kiss close, because her S.O. is sitting right there. I can’t try for a full close until I’ve ensured the kiss close. I can’t isolate because she really doesn’t want to be isolated (Why!?! Someone help me out on this one! What did I do wrong here?). So I try and work for a meet instead. She has a girl’s night out in two weeks, at the One, and she invites me to come along. I agree, and think about number closing, and also think about how this crazy fifty-year-old dude is living with her, so I forget about it.

Mocha kiss-closed her boring guy a little later, and we left the club.

And this is where the story gets more interesting. See "Something Completely Different" in the Lay Reports section for details.

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This is a continuation of my post in the Field Reports section "Failure to Isolate." It is also the post I promised in the Lounge about how girls knowing their own game makes the whole thing more fun. Enjoy.

Mocha’s hot, and I’d run some game on her before she’d picked up the book. I’d made an offhand comment about negging a customer where we both work, and she mentioned she’d been reading the book as well, and it was a good move. So we started talking about game, and how I was sure it could be made to work on men as well as women. She was skeptical at first, but I assured her: give it a try, work out a few of the kinks, and we’ll come up with a method for it. Mocha Method!

So at the club, she kiss closes the boring guy and opens one more set before we leave. She uses my fingernails as her opener, which works wonderfully because I’ve just come off my set and I walk up to provide her some social proof. She points enthusiastically at my nails, makes a funny demeaning comment about them, and tells me Matt was hanging out by the men’s bathroom. I have to collect my penguin from Dancergirl regardless, so I head over that way, and get a bit of a rush putting my hand down her shirt to collect my trinket. She calls him “Wheezy,” which I feel is a perfect name for a penguin, and I make fun of the skin-covering shirt she’s wearing. She wears this skimpy black dress all night, and when it comes time for drunken guys to come over and hit on her, she covers herself right up. She laughs and I take off.

I meet Mocha at the coat check and she tells me about how one of the guys in her last set was actually yelling at her for being too tall. I told her next time some guy does that she should neg the shit out of him. It’s the equivalent of a shit-test, a dominance establishing behavior that can be easily worked against him with some judicious AMOGing. “Awwww. Are you afraid I’m going to see your bald spot?”

So we head back to her place for the debriefing, laughing about our respective stories in the field. She approached four sets, I approached five, including the set we approached together and the dude I opened for her. All of them were good stories, and we’d had a good time.

We got back to her place and I was introduced to her roommate, and her roommate’s friend. Her roommate has very short hair, the result of a recent dreadlock removal. Her roommate’s friend has a mustache that looks like something out of a bad cartoon western. We sat on the couch, drank more vodka, talked game, and made fun of each other for nearly an hour. Then her roommate and her roommate’s friend disappeared into her room leaving Mocha and I to talk by ourselves.

I can’t be sure when exactly it happened, but we’d been talking game for a while when I finally stated the obvious. Yay direct game!

Monkey: You realize we’re probably going to end up sleeping together right?
Mocha: You actually beat me to stating the obvious. I hate you.
Monkey: We’ve been gaming each other all night. It’s just a question of who is going to give in first.
Mocha: It’s so much more fun when your opponent knows the game, isn’t it?

And it IS! We spent two hours gaming one another, making moves like chess players. I was sitting in completely alpha posture, and called me on it. She was sitting completely open and facing, so I called her on that. I was still in frame, so whenever I said something of sexual weight, I’d kino. Her exact words: “Don’t kino me,” which, far from negating the sexual tension, in fact INCREASED it. She told a sexual story, I accused her of escalating the rapport. I broke the rules and told her when I was doing it (“I’m going to break the most important rule of late-game attraction now, and talk about my ex-girlfriend!”)She knew I was gaming her. I knew she was gaming me, and neither of us wanted to be the first to supplicate.

In the end, it’s me. I break first, I freely admit it. There’s no kino escalation (she told me not to, and I got very self-conscious about it); I just move in and kissed her. The result was almost instantaneous. All of the sexual tension breaks, and we attack one another on the couch until it becomes clear that clothes are going to be coming off. We go to her bedroom, fuck like rabbits in heat, and sit up chatting all night. Five, maybe six times, we went at each other; neither of us slept. There were backrubs involved as well… In the late morning we finally decided to call it quits and have some breakfast. Next time I’m staying at her house I’m bringing corn flakes and milk (all she had were protein drinks that tasted like chocolate with the consistency of charcoal).

We go out for coffee, both of us bragging about our sets last night, and talking about how we were going to deal with the issue of “office romance.” We agree on a seven-night stand, and simply not telling anyone about it.

I get caught up in talking about one of my sets (I was having difficulty figuring out where I went wrong with HBExotic), and I’m talking with my hands. I always talk with my hands. I insist I did everything right with the girl, I was perfectly smooth and everything was great except the isolation. Then I spill my coffee all over Mocha (hence her new name as a player) and she makes fun of me mercilessly until we decide to part and get some sleep.

So there we are. I didn’t close a single set, but I did end up full-closing my pivot. It was a strange weekend…

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This is my first attempt to catalogue my own personal method, the method that's been working for me. There are some on the forum I think this may be a great help to (Dorian, I'm looking at you...). Others may not. Pick and choose

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at your own discression.

You will find similarities to Mystery Method and Juggler Method here. I'm not claiming this is a wholly original text come completely from my imagination. Instead, look at it as a sort of middle ground between these two very different styles of play.

Monkey Method

1) Approach your Target. That’s right, your target. Do not ignore her. She is the reason you have come to the group, and she should know that right off the bat.
2) Meet and Greet. Traditionally, this has been considered part of the opener, but it is not. How you establish communication, through non-verbal cues and salutations, is as important as having something interesting to talk about. Assume your ready stance. Smile. Say one of the many salutations in our language: “Hello.” “Hey there.” “Hi!” Even the “I’d like to get your opinion on something…” line is meet-and-greet.
3) Open. Make a strong statement or ask an interesting question. It can be situational: “That tattoo looks like it has a story behind it.” Or it can be something taken from your own life: “I got attacked by clowns today.” Or it can be one of the many canned openers available to you: “Do you believe magic spells work?”
4) Register, Respond, Relate, and Reward. The Four R’s. Listen to your target’s response, and respond accordingly. Ensure that your response relates to theirs in some way; do not make closed-ended statements or ask closed-ended questions. If your target responds in a way you particularly appreciate, reward through escalation or mild compliment. “It’s interesting you feel that way. You should sit with me for a bit.” or “You’re witty. I like that.” Be interesting. Be funny. Be your bestself. Improvise.
5) Re-thread. Before your opener grows stale, or if the conversation begins to lag, change topics. This can be as simple as introducing a new opener. Those of us gifted in performance may wish to insert their favorite trick or routine here. Repeat step four. You should re-thread no more than three times.
6) Qualify Her Status. If you have not already, ask the group “So how does everyone know one another?” If your target is dating another member of the group, re-thread once more and politely eject. Monkey Method does not promote the stealing of girlfriends. Most of the time. If your target is not presently involved in a relationship, proceed to step seven.
7) Isolate the Target. Tell her you have something important to tell her, or that you have something interesting to show her. Alternatively, if you have strong rapport with the group, ask if you can take her away for a bit. The group will almost always say “Sure, if it’s alright with her.” This utilizes subtle peer pressure, but may backfire if the group is not sufficiently warmed up to you. Use your discretion.
Cool Tell a very personal story. Something from your life that has intense emotional context for you. Make it sincere. But make sure you follow up with something about her. For those familiar with palm-reading, tarot, magic tricks and the like, you may wish to utilize those skills here. For those less initiated, the Harmless Cube is almost always a good routine, and is easy to learn. Follow up with Strawberry Fields to bring the conversation into a sexual frame. Imagination games are fun, and are good, simple cold-read techniques.
9) State Values. Make strong statements about your emotions, desires, passions. Ask open-ended questions about her emotions, desires, passions, and allow her to make similar statements or ask similar questions. Be ready to fill dead air. She may not yet be willing to give 50% to the conversation, and so you may still have to do 90% of the talking. If you have not already, establish kino. Small touches at first, reassuring pats or a squeeze of the hand. Slowly escalate. Trace her upper arm with your fingers. Brush stray hair away from her face. Hold her hand while triangular gazing (left eye, right eye, mouth, repeat). Rest your hand on her thigh. When sexual tension has reached a good peak, continue to step ten.
10) Kiss Close. If your location is not conducive to intimacy, express your desire to have another conversation later and ask if there is a way you can contact her later. If the SPAM permits intimacy, look directly into her left eye with your left eye, then her left eye with your left eye, then her mouth with both. At her mouth, pause whatever you are saying and look back into her right eye. Say: “Would you like to kiss me?” in a slow, even tone. If she says yes, kiss her. If she says maybe, say: “Let’s find out,” and kiss her. If she says no, say “I didn’t say you could. It just looked like you had something on your mind.” If she says no, go back to step nine. At high enough levels of kino, it may seem like you don’t need to ask. It is, however, good form to do so. Kissing a girl who has not expressed an interest in being kissed is sexual assault. Sexual assault is bad.
11) Full Close. After kissing, continue conversation, interspersed with more kissing. Alternatively, you may now attempt to number-close. “We should get back to our friends. Is there a way I can contact you so we can talk again?” If this does not produce a phone number or e-mail address, you may ask directly. If you would like to attempt the full close, ask about her travel arrangements and ensure her friends know that she will be getting home safely. “We’re just going to get something to eat, and then I’ll call a cab for the both of us.” Just don’t tell her friends you are both going back to your place. Have a good reason to go back to your place that has nothing to do with sex. MP3s on your computer, watching the cat do back flips or checking out recently developed photos of your vacation are all acceptable. I am also partial to “Come back to my place and we’ll rub lotion into each other’s skin… Wait… You’re pretty tall. I don’t have enough lotion for you…” Follow up with another good reason that has nothing to do with sex.
12) Expect Last-Minute Resistance. Factor it into your game plan. It is a woman’s shield against feeling like a complete slut. It is natural and understandable that she does not want to be seen as merely a sex-object. Don’t let it get to you. Just take a break. Get up and get a drink. Put your socks back on. Pee, if you have to. This is called a freeze-out and makes her work to get your attention back. She wants to sleep with you, she just doesn’t want to feel like a whore while she’s doing it.
13) Enjoy the Morning Together. I like to cook, so I’ll usually whip up some eggs or waffles and suggest we go out for a cup of coffee. Buying breakfast may be better for you, depending on your kitchen skills. If you don’t have it yet, get her phone number.
14) Call Her Back. Make sure you call within two days. Even if it is just a one-night stand, calling will reinforce the idea that sleeping with you does not make her a slut. As much as we make out that we don’t care what a woman thinks, we do. Here’s why: anyone in marketing will tell you that one happy customer will tell, at most, three of their friends about your product. An unhappy customer will tell ten by way of warning. You don’t need a bad reputation in your favorite bars, so make sure the girls go away happy and satisfied. Also, if she knows you’re a player (and she does because you told her during step nine that you like to see multiple women… right?) she can later make for a great pivot. No one sells you better than someone who’s given you a thorough test-drive.

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I didn't say a needy story. I said an emotional one. Emotions run the gamut from "This made me really happy!" to "This is something that scared the hell out of me." Let her know that you are comfortable talking about your emotions, whatever those emotions happen to be, and you will automatically give her permission to do the same. It's a killer rapport building technique; opening up encourages her to open up to you.

And if you do end up telling a story that makes you seem needy, make fun of yourself mercilessly for it. Self depreciation and disqualification can be powerful tools if used properly.

You: So there was this girl I had a HUGE crush on. I know, I know, it's dumb, but nerdy guys with crushes need love too. And she wanted nothing to do with me. So I sent her flowers, and wrote her love notes, and offered to give her backrubs all the time. And I heard from her friend she thought I was creepy. So you know what? Fuck it. From now on, I get to be the needy one. I'm high maintenance, now. Girls have to write ME love notes and give ME backrubs... Are you any good at giving back rubs? No? Well we're broken up then. (Go talk to another girl for a bit.) Ok... So you're not good at back rubs. What DO you have going for you?

Note that in the above I've mixed Juggler's "I'm high maintenance" with Tyler Durden's "I need to find me a woman who can cook." I may even use this later.

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Heh. I have to drink a LOT before I'm actually drunk, and I find that I calibrate really well while under the influence. If only I could remember how to calibrate myself when I'm sober again. ^__^

There is something I read that applies, I think, to approach anxiety. Fear is just Friendly Energy Announcing Risk. It is your body's way of informing you that you are about to do something in which you could be harmed. With approach anxiety in particular, your body is warning you that you may be rejected. It happens, even to the best of us, and your body wants to prepare you for that before it happens. When you get that surge of fear, interpret it logically: "My friendly energy is informing me that there is a potential for risk in the activity I am about to undertake. As I understand that risk, I can acknowledge and affirm that friendly energy, and then ignore it." I find that this allows me to in fact harness my approach anxiety and use the energy it provides to my direct benefit.

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Stop reading this and go fuck twelve beautiful women. If she's still worth seducing, you may continue reading.

Seducing a friend is risky for two reasons. The first is that your are irrevocably fucking up the relationship you've established. The second is that she is likely to resist more than if you'd met her earlier today. Friend game is a hard game to play, and you should be prepared for rejection regardless of how well you perform.

That said, there are ways out of the "friend zone." Slow your game down a bit, and take your time with it, but remember that you ARE gaming her. Utilize the relate-reward cycle. When she does something you find sexy, let her know that you find it sexy. When she says something you can relate to on an emotional level, relate to it, respond, and register her response. Reward her response with light escalation. Kino, for example, can be used as a reward to slowly escalate over a matter of days or weeks. Start with light touching on the arm or knee. Knee is better, but can be tough to pull off smoothly. When you hug, hold on a moment longer than you normally would. When you're watching TV or movies on the couch, touch her leg with yours, then pull back suddenly. Put your arm around her when you're sitting together or walking. Keep moving it up a bit.

And then for god's sake, phase shift and hold it. Pick your time carefully, because you are either going to have this girl in bed, or you'll never talk to her again, and you have to be comfortable with both options. Your kino has to be tight. You have to have secured IOIs (tough when she's already given you so many earlier in the relationship; they're more subtle now). You have to have made SOIs. Then phase shift. Smell her hair or run your fingers through it. Touch her neck, face, hands, legs. Build some sexual tension and go for the close.

And if it backfires, don't say we didn't warn you.

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Don't watch movies. We've talked about this before.

Have a reason to come to your house that has nothing to do with seduction. Buy a kitten. Women love them, they're great company, and you can usually get away with inviting women to your home to meet something cute and fuzzy.

But don't watch movies. Nothing seductive happens with a TV on.

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The age range of women who have read the game is far-reaching. If they can read, assume they've read the book and know what's going on. I've been blown out of only one set, and she was in her early thirties. In a younger set, mid-twenties, they hadn't read the book yet, but when I mentioned pick-up artists (I'm a very straight-forward kind of guy when it strikes me), they told me they were planning on reading it.

If they can read (and the women you want can all read, right?), treat the set as though they've all read the book and know it inside and out.

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Name dropping is not attractive. If you start talking about people she's never met, she's going to zone out. Social proof is not about names, but instead proving that you are not a loser. People know you. By dropping a hundred names, you prove you know people, but that's really not the same.

Go to the same bar every weekend for a couple of months. Get to know the bartender. Learn his name. Game all of the waitresses a little, just so that they know you on sight and like you. Meet the regulars and get in good with them. And tip like your bank account is bottomless. It takes an investment in time, energy and money that you could be using to sarge; but it will make your overall game so much better. When you're in good with one club, go to another and move back-and-forth between them. Add one more a month later, and keep yourself to those bars for most nights. You'll see your game improve tenfold with real social proof.

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Um... What's so bad about a girl knowing you want to pick her up?

Guys, understand that this stuff works, even when she knows you're doing it. If she calls you on it, it's just another shit test. Be creative. Learn to deal with the consequences of a called game and bring her back to rapport building. The problem with opinion openers right now is the Meet and Greet. Every girl in a club is going to call you on "Hey, can I get a female opinion on something?" Just walk, say "Hi!" and ask your question.

You: Hi!
HBSlut: Um... Hi...
You: Is it cool for a dude to wear makeup?

You don't need her permission to get an opinion, and if you back it up with a good enough story, it won't matter how you opened in ten minutes.

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Painting your nails is a peacocking staple, bro. Everyone should do it. Even if it's just black, it gives a girl something to exclaim about. Give it a try and you'll never go back. Also, grow your nails out a bit, and use lotion on your hands. Girls love a man with girly hands. ^__^

I approach between three and five sets per night. Some sets I've entered before, others are opened for the first time that night.

I usually take five to ten minutes to run the CUBE, but the CUBE itself is only a part of it. I'm also building rapport, chatting about things related (or even unrelated) to the answers I get. In fact, most of the time when I'm running the CUBE, it's just a lead-in to the more powerful S.Fields.

In this case I got cockblocked before it was done, but it was looking like a five-minute CUBE rather than a ten. Depends on when we got distracted. The key with any routine is to interrupt it occasionally with something else and come back to it. It seems like your conversation is less rehearsed this way, and the whole thing comes off more naturally.

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On losing your cool:

The best way to make sure things like this don't escalate out of control is to return, and shift. Give the guy back 100% of his agression, no more, and no less. Then treat him like your best friend. It's a simple AMOG tactic that works under a lot of agressive circumstances. It shows him, very clearly, how big of a dick he's being. If he pushes you and screams "FUCK YOU!" push him back exactly as hard and scream "FUCK YOU!" Then pull out some gum and offer him a piece. Or compliment his T-shirt. AMOGing is both better for your game and better for gathering a good social setting. Social setting also improves your game, so you should always think of ways you can improve yours.

I suggest you go back to the bar only for her. As for worrying about her and her kids and her baggage, you should already have told her what you want out of any sort of relationship via SOI. If you haven't said "I'm not really into long-term relationships; I feel love is too fleeting to try and nail down" or something similar, you should as soon as your rapport is high enough.

Regarding Negs:
Negs are utilized almost primarilly to negotiate the social situation. She's with her friends, she has the upper hand, and you're turning that social mechanism against her. Monkey Method doesn't rely on the social mechanism. You haven't approached her friends, you've approached her and gotten her to introduce you to her friends. In Monkey Method, and similarly Juggler Method, you work at building rapport with HER. We're not trying to give you value because her friends like you because when her friends are gone that value no longer matters. We're trying to give you value based upon your own value, the rapport you've built, and your own confidence. Negging will take away from that effect.

If, however, you are more comfortable maneouvering through the social strata than approaching her directly, negs are a powerful tool that should not be underestimated. It depends on your situation and your own calibration. I'm calibrated to deal with her first. You're calibrated to deal with her friends first.

As with any other method presently on the market, take what works for you and leave what doesn't. Don't adopt Monkey Method entirely, because it is specifically built for me. Instead, build Jaxin Method from bits and pieces you've gathered over your time in the community.

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I absolutely agree. As I said, after the first ten minutes, it will not matter how you've opened.

Hell, there's a girl I'm working on at work, one of my customers, and she knows for a fact I'm gaming her. I've never said, she's never asked, but we both know it, and she responds very positively to the whole thing. I'm not really all that interested in her (she has a cute smile, and she's librarianish, which I like, but she's only about a 4), but our interactions are seldom boring.

Don't worry about it. And as for the horrible dykes coming to crash our party... Just think of them as a little more challenging than the other girls you're sarging. ^__^ You can't shut down a community like this. Take away our tools, we'll build new tools. Take away our routines, and we'll write new ones. Make us look like dorks, and we'll come back cooler than ever because if there is ONE COMMON THREAD to the pick-up community, it is that we were all dorks at one point or another. We'll survive. We'll weather the storm. And by the time I'm thirty, the girls will have forgotten all about us PLUS we'll have new technology to play with.

The only end to the community is when boys stop wanting girls to want them. And I don't see that coming any time soon.

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The only boyfriend destroyer I've had work for me yet is this:

HB: Well, I have a boyfriend.
Me: What's your favorite dinosaur?
HB: Um... What?
Me: Your favorite dinosaur. Mine's ankylosaurus.
HB: Uh... T-rex I guess. What does this have to do with my boyfriend?
Me: Everyone says T-rex. I think it's just because that's the only dinosaur you can remember.
HB: Boyfriend.
Me: Something else.
HB: Boyfriend.
Me: Something else.

Just ignore the fact that she has a boyfriend. If it becomes too strong an issue to break, assume it's a beautiful long-term thing (or she's seriously twitterpated), and eject gracefully.

I don't really advocate the stealing of girlfriends. Usually. There are times, when she specifically informs me that she dislikes him, that I'll play her silly game and let her cheat on him. With me. A few times. And there are other times when I know the boyfriend and he's a douchebag that I'll steal his girlfriend for fun. But other than that, you should just let them be happy together.

Note, however, that any girl that's been seeing a boy for less than six months is not in a committed relationship. That's not her boyfriend; that's her bed warmer.

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Alright, so my only point has to do with the end of the ride. Isolation would have been easy at this point if you had an IVD (like the CUBE or S.Fields) prepared. Just look at your target and say "You seem like a fun girl. I'd like to try something with you. I have to go hang out with my family in a minute, but in the meantime come sit with me." Then walk up to a bench and sit down. If she doesn't walk over and sit down, no big deal. You tried the isolation and it's good practice for next time. But if she does, you can continue your game in peace and she'll never realize you've just spent the last fifteen minutes CUBEing her when you said you could only sit for a minute.

Monkey Method utilizes very early isolation. In most cases, you need to establish a second artificial time constraint (more urgent than your previous because you've already spent time with her friends), in order to allay her fears and get her more comfortable. Give it a try and let me know how it works for you.

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No, I'm going to let my morals stop me from taking advantage of someone involved in something much cooler than any one-night-stand can be. Relationships rock. Have a girlfriend rocks. Hell, being a boyfriend rocks. If some girl wants to come in and ruin my relationship with a great girl, I might go for it, but I'll be seriously pissed at both her and myself afterwards.

As for patterns and routines, steamrolling the boyfriend IS a routine. And it works. And you're being a dick. Knock it off.

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Nice work. My pivot, Mocha, knows as much about game as I do, and we ended up full close last weekend. If only this weekend had worked out better for me.

If she's in your town, take her sarging with you. You'll notice a shift in your frame (due to feminine social proof) that will work to your benefit; you'll be less afraid of rejection. And if neither of you manages to close, you can always go home with one another. ^_^

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A "female wing" is called a pivot, by the by.

And you didn't pick her up. You gamed eachother. There's a difference. If she's actually sucking your cock right now, you've picked her up. Until then, you're still mid-pickup and need to keep on your game.

Like I said, take her sarging with you. Either she becomes your new pivot and helps you pick up other chicks, or you end up sleeping with her because the sexual tension gets hot. Either way, you win.

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Nice work, bro, but don't get too caught up in online sarging.

I'm a writer, and one of the best pieces of advice I've gotten about writing was this: Don't fall into the trap of writing fan work. It feels like real work, and you get the same sense of accomplishment, but it's not really work. You're not writing. It's just FanAc.

Don't fall into the trap of online sarging. It feels like real sarging, and you get the same sense of accomplishment, but it's not really sarging. If you want to get good at the game without the fear of rejection, learn to stop fearing rejection. Go out and approach every set you see. Then try to get blown out as soon as possible. Do this for a week, and you'll find yourself less sensative about the issue.

Alternatively, go out and try and ask homeless people for change. Or put on a pair of rubber breasts and ask people to touch them. Whatever gets you out of the house and approaching people.

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I'm not sure what is wrong with this weekend, bro, but I faced some of the same problems in set at both bars. I didn't see you at the One (not that I'd recognize you; and my flashing penguin ran out of batteries), but I saw a couple of semi-peacocked guys running around having a good time.

Sounds to me like your frame got stolen over mini-golf. That's where you lost it. She may have started to open up again, but with your frame shot, as soon as she got back to her friends, her reality became stronger than yours.

Next week, you and I and Mocha are going out. I'll e-mail you an exact time and place a little later in the week. You need the social proof, I need the social proof, and we could both use feedback.

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Alright buddy... We're going back to the basics.

Triangular gazing. Look into her left eye with your left eye, her right eye with your right eye, her mouth with both. Do this twice, then pause at the mouth.

You: Would you like to kiss me?
Her: No.
You: Hey, I didn't say you could; you just looked like you had something on your mind.

Then joke, not about how you want to kiss her, but about something kiss related.

You: Have you ever noticed that Lindsey Lohan kisses like a man?
Her: Um... What?
You: Lindsey Lohan. She kisses like a guy. Guys always kiss straight-on and girls always go for the bottom lip. Lindsey Lohan always goes in straight-on, like a guy. (I have no idea if this is true. I'm making it up).
Her: No, I never noticed.
You: Stop looking at my lips. You're not allowed to kiss me.
Her: I wasn't.
You: You so were. You're a sexual predator, I can tell. (Run sexual predators here if you like, or just keep it at this.)

GO BACK TO RAPPORT BUILDING. Talk about some stuff. Anything, really. Tell an emotional story. Make her comfortable again. Be cocky-funny. Then go back to the kiss close.

And you should never neg in late game. It gets her out of frame.

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You're suffering through anti-slut defence. It happens. Just plow through it, call her on it, and bring her back to a good frame. If she looks down, touch her chin and guide her eyes back to yours. It's got that "Oh my god that's so romantic" thing going for it, and it is some intense kino for you. Neg her if you have to.

In my previous post I was commenting more on this: the method of your kiss-close left a lot of avenues open for her to rescind. You don't want that. If you want to ensure that she doesn't get buyer's remorse from kissing you, you need to close off those avenues. The only way to do that is to make her feel it was HER choice to kiss YOU, and only a very strong close can do that. Practice. It'll come through better on your next close.

Also, if this one's giving you so much trouble, I suggest you move on. Work the takeaway, and let her know that you're not going to be played around with. If she wants to see you again, well alright, consider it a huge IOI. If she doesn't, at least you don't have to play her mind-games. ^_^

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I take an hour long bath because I fall asleep in the middle. I end up walking to Mocha's place an hour late, pissed off and already out of frame.

I get myself all peacocked and ready to go, head out the door and walk down the street. About halfway to the train station, I hit a red light and start going through frame-building excercises. I jump up and down, I shake my arms, I crack every joint that cracks, and I recite a few of my favorite canned openers under my breath. I didn't even notice a pretty young lady approaching me.

Her: These lights always confuse me, too.
Me: Um... Huh?
Her: The lights. You looked confused.
Me: Oh. Yeah. Turning signals are weird.
Her: They always screw me up too.

We walk across the street, and she changes her direction, almost as an afterthought, to walk with me for a bit.

Her: So where are you up to tonight?
Me: Heading out to some clubs to pick up chicks.
Her: Yeah? Which clubs?
Me: Wooly Bully's, maybe the One. Where are you headed?
Her: Home.
Me: My name is Monkey.
Her: HBNatural. I like your star (I wear a sheriff's badge on my sleeve cuff). It just kinda jumps out at you when you go to shake hands.
Me: Thanks. I have a cute little penguin too. (I show her my penguin, and it turns out the batteries are dying. I have no replacements in my prop bag, which sucks because he's such a great piece).
Her: What kind of battery is it? (I show her). That looks like a CMOS battery.
Me: I love you.
Her: What?
Me: You're a geek. I love geeks. I have the word "Geek" tattooed to the back of my neck.
Her: Really?
Me: Yeah. Anyway, I've got to catch the train.
Her: My number is blah blah blah.
Me: Um... What?
Her: My number. It's blah blah blah. Call me.
Me: Here. (giving her my book) Write that down for me. It's cooler when I show my friends if it's in your handwriting. (she writes her number down and gives me her spare if I can't get her at the first. I point at my cheek.) Kiss g'bye!
Her: Heh. This is like our first date. You'll have to wait for that, bucko.
Me: Huh.

I get on the train, ride to Mocha's place, and she paints my nails, finishing my peacocking. I tell her all about the strange chick on the way to her place, and we both exclaim over how we'll have to teach the girl some real game. It was awkward and a little stilted (and I acted like a COMPLETE AFC, mostly on purpose), but she still managed to catch and hold my attention. She's going to be GOOD. We also drink. A lot. Too much, in fact, which is ironic because I'd just been pimping my love of alcohol as a confidence booster here on Friday. I hate being proven wrong, but I was wrong. Don't drink and sarge.

Mocha forgets her ID, so I go into Devlins to talk to a 9 I know from work who works there. Great Kino, she shows me off to her friends, we talk for a bit, and I tell her I'll come back and talk to her before they close. She tells me how much the guys at Devlin's suck, and I agree. They're all too... Chachi. But I see Mocha, and we had plans, so I eject and tell her I'll be back later.

So Mocha and I hit Wooly Bully's, and it sucks. Bad. So we go next door to Suite 69, and there are a bunch of girls dancing and a bunch of freakishly alpha men standing around in groups. It's a great environment for Mocha's game, but not so good for mine. I can't dance to save my life.

Still, there are a couple of sets kicking around, so I open one in the corner about my nailpolish and immediately lose the two in the back. I try to bring them back in with Powerpuff girls, but they're really not into it. One girl in the front said my nails reminded her of some rock star and she really liked them. I kept that in mind for later.

I see Mocha talking to a two set of girls and ask if she's seen Matt around. She says he's by the bathroom, which confuses the hell out of me. Why would my pivot open a set of girls and not bring me in? Turns out they're friends of hers from work, and she's even told them not to talk to me. That's fine, but again my frame goes all to hell and I have to try and work it back up from the bottom. I go outside, jump up and down, shake my arms, and try to think through the alcohol. I can't, so I head back in and lend Mocha some social proof on a three set of boys at the pool table. I see a cute two-set and approach, open smoothly, then eject. I'm beginning to get a surge of approach anxiety again, and I can't figure out why. I figure I'll just approach for a bit, and it'll go away, but it sticks with me all night.

Mocha ejects from the three-set and we start a mock argument to open a cute two-set by the dance floor. I have issues engaging the obstacle, (a recurring problem of late), but build some great attraction with the target. I open with "Is it cool for a dude to wear make-up," tell a quick story, kino, and eject. I see Mocha's opened a solo in a green shirt, and she's got great rapport, so I ask if Kate's close, and she kiss-closes in full. I go back to the two-set and tell them that it's her ex-boyfriend and she's such a bitch. I'm not sure why (could be solidarity) but the target goes immediately cold and they both eject. Rough.

A cute waitress comes by and I open her.

Me: What's your favorite dinosaur.
Her: Um... T-rex.
Me: Everyone says T-rex.
Her: That's kuz he's big and mean and eats people.
Me: T-rex wasn't a predator, though. He was a scavenger. Scared the littler predators away and ate their kills.
Her: Like raptors?
Me: Sure. He'd scare raptors away and eat their kill.
Her: That's cool. Where did you learn that?
Me: Just something you remember from being six years old.
Her: Are you planning on leaving any time soon?
Me: Nope, not really.
Her: Good.

Woo! Great IOI, some good kino, a decent set all around. And based entirely on my paleontology knowledge! And Mocha was making out quite contentedly with her HD in the green shirt. She disengages long enough for me to tell her she should take him home, and I decide to hit a different club for a bit.

I hit the One, and it's crazy busy, but my frame is so screwed that every set I approach blows me out right away. I chat up the hired guns (who are all deliciously dressed as cowgirls), and destroy a good two weeks of seed planting with some poorly executed direct game. Fuck.

So I head back to Devlin's until my 9 tells me she has to leave me and clean up, and I head back to Suite 69 to chat up the waitress. In what I think is my best line of the night, I say:

Me: So I know I'm the twenty-seventh guy to ask you this tonight, but what are you doing after work?
Her: My boyfriend is picking me up and we're going home.
Me: You should come out for coffee with me instead.
Her: I can't. He's my ride, and I live across town.
MeThinking: Fuck.

So I go home. And tonight was no better. No social proof. My wing never showed at the One. Mocha was working, so she couldn't make it. I appologize to Dancergirl for how bad my game was (not for what I said, but for saying it drunk; she forgave me and initiated kino herself. I had no presents for her today, which sucked because I really wanted to give her one. I'm going to sleep with that girl yet.). I also told Shootergirl (who gave me the horrible "You're too young for me," speech on Friday) that she was no longer my favorite. In a great piece of cocky-funny, she told me "You were NEVER my favorite." I nearly hugged her despite myself.

So yeah. A suck ass weekend. Hope things went better for everyone else.

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Returning to your frame is as simple as continuing a story you told her last time, or saying something funny from the last time you saw one another.

Re-creating sexual tension, on the other hand, takes a bit of work. Exactly as much work, in fact, as creating sexual tension the first time. Kino, escalation, and relate-reward are my methods of choice. Your milage may differ.

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It has been a truly horrible week for this community, I think. The universe conspires against us, Gents.

Some of my best game happens on the Edmonton Transit system. People never talk to one another on the train, so anyone who breaks that rule immediatly gains value, and time constraints are really, really easy. "Hey, my stop is coming up; is there some way we can continue this conversation in the future?" Number closing on a train or bus is great.

Good job plowing over the Game too. I get flustered when it's mentioned. She was obviously into you if you utilized mainstream material but she stuck around for it anyway. ^_^

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Good gods... No, asking for a female opinion is a Meet and Greet. It's a salutation, a way to say "Hello," without actually saying "Hello." What is important about the opinion MaG is bodylanguage (re-read xfman's post). It's indicative that you're going to leave at any moment, and that provides safety. Other MaGs require more direct posture.

Run up and poke her. And when she looks at you, be mortified. "Oh my god. Have you ever thought someone was someone else and then realized they were a complete stranger?" And have a story unrelated to poking her that backs it up.

Actually tell her: "Stop!" and look her up and down. "You're cute, but I can make you FABULOUS!" and start mussing with her hair and adjusting her clothes.

MaGs run as many circles as openers, and you should familiarize yourself with as many as possible. Take a look at the "beginning" of a bunch of different kinds of openers, and assemble a list of MaGs you can use to catch a girl's attention and hold her in place.

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Alright, buddy... Let's talk discreet game.

I'm not sure why you didn't SOI with something related to non-exclusivity in relationships, but you've obviously got your reasons, and I'm not going to judge on that. But you are going to need some serious social manoevering to get around this situation.

Keep kino low-level to start. Make yourself a 'touchy person.' When you talk, touch her arms, her hands. If she talks with her hands, stop them with your own, and explain to your LTR's friends that you're saving other guests from injury (should they question you on it). Utilize strong, sudden relate-rewards; escalate a lot faster than you would normally, but make sure you're push-pulling it just as extremely. When it comes to a head, venue-change and exit the party discreetly and politely. Make sure you have an ulterior motive for leaving. Whispered: "Hey, this girl is really drunk. I've got to get her home before she makes a fool of herself." Then break out your real game.

And then never, ever get into this situation again. Part of your SOI routines should involve non-exclusivity. "Love is so fleeting, you know? I'd hate to think I'm missing out on some great girl because I'm kept down by one relationship. And I'd never tell a girl she couldn't see other people. There's just so much both of us could miss." Or something similar. Keep your frame in mind. If you believe you should have a harem, and that there is nothing wrong with having a harem, the girls you are with will not disagree because your reality is the stronger.

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I agree with Game Boy on this entirely. The dance floor is not a place for you to be sarging. If your target is constantly dancing, she's going to get tired and thirsty sooner or later. Then is your time to approach, and not a moment before.

A good opener Mocha used recently was "Who do you think the worst dancer on the floor is?" and then nit-picked every other dancer out there. It'll make her more self-conscious about going out (especially if you nit-pick better dancers than she is), and keep her in set. She full-closed the guy she used this one on.

And as a side-note, Kino/Dominance establishment openers suck ass. They only work on 7s or lower. Also, they're utterly childish. We're above such tactics.

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I'm not saying I won't go for a girl with a boyfriend; but I will be careful about utilizing high-end game on a girl in a serious relationship. Less than six months isn't serious. If she's qualifying how bad her relationship is to me, then it isn't serious.

But if I destroy her boyfriend's value and replace it with my own, I'm a dick.

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You SOI everyone. No one should ever have a doubt what your intentions are with them.

The best time to SOI in seduction is at the tail end of a relate-reward cycle. SOIs are often rewards. Smaller SOIs lead into bigger SOIs and eventually to the close SOI. Going home and taking off your clothes is a pretty big Statement of Intent. ^_^

If she says something you find sexy, tell her so.
If she tells a funny joke, tell her you find a sense of humor sexy.
If she tells you how good she is at oral sex, escalate your Kino, smile a sly smile and say "Respect."

At some point I'm going to have to write a huge post on the Four Rs. Register, Respond, Relate, Reward. Even if you're missing every other part of your game, rapport building (the Four Rs) will get you laid.

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First and foremost, get off the canned material, especially on a second-meet. They like you well enough that they wanted to see you again, so you should let them see YOU instead of the lines you've learned.

That being said, there are ways that you can structure your conversation towards a seductive end. As always, open-ended statements and questions are the key to making any interaction work well. Remember your Four Rs: Register, Respond, Relate, Reward.

Register
Listen to what she is saying. Get out of your own head. Your head is not where you want to be. You WANT to be in her bed, so she is the most important thing in the world to you at that moment. Help her be interesting by being interested in what she's telling you.

Respond
If you do not understand something that she has said, or you think you could understand it more clearly, make sure you ask about it. Respond to what she has said with something relevant. If she's talking about her poodle, don't talk about scuba diving. Sure, both topics involve animals, but we're looking for one degree of seperation here. She talks about her poodle, you talk about your cats. She says something you don't know how to respond to, ask her to clarify. A sly smile and "I'm not really sure what you mean by that," is usually sufficient to get her to explain in more detail.

Relate
Women (and metro guys) relate to things on an emotional level. Guys tend to fixate on the THINGS, whereas women fixate on how those things make them FEEL. You want to escalate a conversation to the sexual, you have to make sure you're relating to her on an emotional level. To go back to the pets, if she's talking about giving her pet a bath, you can say something like "I love my cats because they have such distinct personalities. It makes me feel like I'm living with two little people." Then sit tight and be silent. She'll start telling you about the cuteness of Foofoo thinking she's people. All animals think they're people. Except my cats, who think I am a cat...

Reward
People are mammals. We react well to positive reinforcement. Don't believe me? Watch a six year old kid days after a temper tantrum gets him a chocolate bar. He'll throw another one, get another chocolate bar, and the cycle just gets worse. We never actually grow out of it, either. Escalation, then, comes through positive reinforcement. Kino is a form of positive reinforcement, but so is sitting down comfortably with someone. When she says something or does something that you find agreeable, let her know. Through your words or your actions, she should become aware that her behavior has pleased you. "You know, I really like people who love their animals as much as you. Let's go sit down in this dark corner," is a strong example of possitive reinforcement escalation. It is also a statement of interest.
Statements of Intent are also a possitive reinforcement tactic. By informing her, in no uncertain terms, that you plan on delivering a set of screaming orgasms by the end of the night, you are rewarding her for her behavior. That is why SOIs should only come directly after she has done something to please you. She needs to feel as though she's earned it. If it's too early in the game to threaten orgasms, just say something like "I'm going to do bad, bad naughty things to you later..." and change the subject.

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Telegraphing interest is not something you really need to be afraid of. After all, in five minutes, she's going to know you are hitting on her anyway. It's a weak MaG, I'll agree, but not for that reason.

The reason the poking opener is weak is the same reason the elbow opener is weak. Delivered improperly, you'll get a What a Creep Glare and she'll walk off. I can make it work, but only because of my freakish sincerity. If you can't deliver a mortified expression with enough sincerity, she's going to walk off.

BLKHLSN: Women love giving their opinion on something. Even when I'm sarging with a pivot ("female wing,") I can ask for a female opinion and not get shut out. Opinion openers work, and the typical "Hey, can I get a female opinion about something?" MaG can be pretty successful in getting a moving target to stop. It's easilly the best MaG and Opener combo for the new guys.

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[ Well I was going to, but you apparently know it better than I do. Here, you do me! ]

Turn it around like the Sexual Predators routine, and make her chase you. Granted, I've never been in that exact position. The only time the Game has blown me out was in my first week of sets. I was still using 70% mainstream material, so I choked when I was called on it.

And I've met 18-year-olds who have read the Game. Mocha is nineteen. Age is not a factor in who has and has not read the game.

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The longer a girl remains out of frame, the less she is going to care that you've called her. There is a "warm" time to call, when she's not going to think you're over-eager, but she's not going to forget you. Two days is usually sufficient, but I've heard of guys calling the next day to a favorable response.

Experiment with it and find a good groove for you.

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This should ALWAYS be used in the beginning of your game. Set your expectations on the table. Don't hide them. Don't lie to her about your monogamous nature when you don't have one.

Keep a good frame, ensure that your reality is dominant, and impose it on her. Remember, if you believe you should have a harem, and that there is nothing wrong with having a harem, the girls will not disagree with you. I personally believe the girls in my harem should have harems too, so it's not like I'm keeping them on a tight leash or something.

In your position, Diversion, you may need to do some relationship "Negotiation." Some re-definition of your relationship's boundaries. Sit down with her and talk about it. Be warned, though, that you may well lose this relationship because of changed expectations. It's the price we pay for the Game we play.

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Yay! Shaft is rambling!

Alright, so we started the night off by my approaching Shaft. As he was coming up the escalator, I said "Hey, can I get your opinion on something?" and the look on his face was priceless. Utterly, completely priceless. We talked about his game for a bit, talked about my game for a bit, and then I sent him in on a cute one-set to see his game in action.

Dude, you were horrible. ^_^ His posture was very demure, very beta; there was obvious nervousness, and the attraction opener is NOT for a coffee bar arena. But we've gone over that. After five minutes of obviously painful Day Game, the target turned around and mentioned NLP to him, which threw him off even further. The target was Mocha, and the whole thing was bloody hilarious.

We got lubricated and peacocked; not so lubricated as I was the weekend previous (thank the Gods), but just enough to get into a comfortable frame. I went out with my fish necklace, my flashing penguin and a new wrist-band with hearts on it. I gave Shaft my sheriff's star because he needed SOMETHING, and seemed pretty hesitant to start the real peacocking. It's good to start small; it helps you build congruence.

We grab a cup of coffee before we head out and my game snaps "on." The girl behind the counter is hot, and I like to get a few sets in before I head to the bars. I opened, as Shaft said, with the Dinosaurs opener, and we talked about that for a while. The girl's smart... Like whip-smart, and she kept coming back to my suspicious interest in dinosaurs. We talked about Makeup for a bit, and then I started on more natural topics. She enjoys philosophy, as do I, so we talked that for a while, the whole time with her trying to get back to the dinosaur issue. I wouldn't let her, which frustrated her in a funny-happy way, and when I turned it around with the truth (I was just trying to start an interesting conversation), the rapport was instantaneous. I number closed in classic fashion, and actually called her earlier today. We have a second meet planned for Wednesday. Yay!

We hit Bar Wild and it was dead. There were maybe three sets in the whole place worth approaching. One was directly in front of us with a single Alpha sitting between an HB6 and an HB9. I keep them in mind for later and go play some silly game with flying pieces of paper. For playing, I get to add a glowing necklace to my peacocking collection, so I'm psyched.

When I got back, two other boys were in the three set in front of us, but the girls were playing a game throwing ice down one another's shirts. Two of the boys (the new ones) get up to get shots, so I move in with the following:

Monkey: That looks like too much fun! Do me! (Holding my chest and opening my shirt as an ice target).

Like good girls, they throw ice at me, so I rethread with the makeup opener (is it cool for a dude to wear makeup?) and built some decent rapport until the boys showed up. As Shaft said, the attention was off me until the shots were done, but returned in force afterwards. One of the boys even switched couches to be on the other side from me (the HB9's boyfriend, I later learned). I isolated through body posturing (blocking off the rest of the st with basic body language) and began running the cube when Mocha showed up to entertain the obstacles. I really could have used the extra proof from Shaft coming in (I thought I was going to get my ass kicked through this whole interaction), but it worked out in the end anyway. My target was in a relationship, I didn't feel like qualifying further, so we ejected and headed to Suite 69.

On the way, a cute girl cat-called Shaft, and I sent him in, but he was feeling pretty anxious, so I opened the set myself. I went in with my fingernails and got a violent rejection of the style (red on three, black on two), and some fashion advice from a fashion-show reject (the obstacle). The target mentioned how cute Shaft is (the boy's pretty, I'll give him that) and I told her she should hook up with him, providing instant social proof. There was a hanger-on dude in the background I ignored entirely and he eventually evaporated. Shaft came into the set and took the target, I kept the obstacle busy with a five-minute cube and the makeup rethread, then went for a kiss close that lent me preselection proof all night (yay!).

Mocha was pretty off her frame too, and though Suite 69 was a sausage factory, there was no game to be had. Heading down to Wooly Bully's, we I talked to Shaft about what went wrong with the girl at the bar (not enough scarcity; he should have kept talking over his shoulder; and "immature" is not a good replacement for "young.") Mocha came down a while later and we talked for a bit about her lack of mid-game routines. Mid-game for women is becoming a bit of an obstacle in developing good Girl Game, and any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

So we went back to Bar Wild, and it was pretty jumping. A meat-market, but jumping. I opened one of the Schmirnoff girls who gave me my necklace and let her wear my penguin for a while (a mixture of anchoring and locking-in I've found remarkably successful). I cruised around for a good set to open, lent Mocha some proof on a cute guy she'd opened, macked on Shaft's waitress to get back at him for stealing the target in the street set earlier (^_^) and basically waited for the night to be finished so we could debrief and talk about a few of the bigger problems Mocha and Shaft had been having that night. I also wanted some critique, but there was very little critique to be had. I've been "on" all weekend, in a huge way.

Anyway, it was a great weekend for me, and I think Shaft has learned a few things. Blowout is a great game to get rid of approach anxiety, and it's a hell of a lot of fun. I suggest it to anyone (Go into a set normally, build rapport for five minutes and then do everything you can to get blown out. Rejection hurts a lot less when you deal with it ten times a night. ^_^) I'm looking forward to the second meet with Coffeegirl. I'll let you guys know how it went.

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The thing with GM Style Openers is that they have to be delivered cocky-funny, and you have to have something else to back them up. You can't just go in and bombard with sexual lines; they'll blow you out the second they can. You have to deliver a sexual line, and follow it up with something utterly non-sexual, but still cocky-funny.

Very difficult to pull off.

GM Style also uses borderline harrassment lines in mid-game to rethread to a sexual place, then pulls back into the non-sexual again. I find it difficult to deliver congruently, but that's just me. You may have better results.

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The LJBF zone isn't so bad. There are ways out of it. A very standard line to pull you out of the hole, and also a decent Statement of Interest, is: "I don't like to put artificial restrictions on my relationships. But I promise we won't do anything you're not comfortable with." Works wonders.

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It was the best of Game, it was the worst of Game...

My night hadn't been perfect either. Work had been busy and my girlfriend of a year and a half had dumped me earlier in the week and I was still reeling. Mocha wasn't able to come out either, and she's great for my frame (and a wonderful pivot, and a great pawn). I've been working on adjusting my frame utilizing NLP techniques on myself, and I've found it to be wonderfully helpful.

We talked game for a bit, got some coffee (I was jazzed on so much java I could have hovered over the field) and headed out to the One.

The first thing I did was anchor Dancergirl. I've been running some strong game on her for a while and missed a week while I was poor. I told her I wasn't able to show up because someone had forgotten to put me on the guest list. There is no guest list at the One. It was a good line, though, and we talked about her boyfriend for a little bit; she didn't qualify the relationship to me this time, so I feel like I'm losing her to a pair-bond, but we'll see how I do next week.

We sat down and waited for the party to arrive, and as it began to trickle in, I gamed the waitress for a little bit. I asked her how she was on a scale of 1 - 10 and when she said a two, I asked what I could do to make her night a ten. She didn't know, which will help me calibrate the line later; if used too early, it telegraphs too much interest. Still, she stuck around for a little bit and we talked, then I shooed her away to go do her job. Shaft's friends arrived, and I gamed the hell out of the both of them. For some reason, while I'm great at making girls like me, guys seem to evaporate from the set if they have no reason to stick around. I'm not just trying to game girls, I'm trying to build a social circle, so it annoys me when the guys disappear and leave the girls to me. Sometimes. ^_^

Still, the guys came back, and ScruffyAFC checked out a blonde 6. Told me she was a psycho, because he'd tried to pick her up on the dance floor earlier, and she'd blown him out. This always amuses me. If she's not a dyke, she's psycho; it's never a problem with the AFC's game. We chatted for a bit, and I said "I'm sure she's a really sweet girl," so he challenged me to pick her up. I walked into the two-set, approaching my target, and opened with Makeup. She's a youth councilor, so it was a good choice of opener for her, and she took to me right away. I made a couple of SOIs (mostly in the "I really like a girl with a sense of community" and "You're cute, I like you" vein), went for the kiss close and returned to the table.

I sent Shaft after a four-set that was possitioned nearly impossibly. I could see a good approach point, but I wanted to see how well Shaft was reading approach points that night, and he sucked. There were ways to open the set, but he was out of frame and wasn't paying as much attention as he should have been. The obstacles evaporated, and he held the target for a bit, but he let her go before he had to. He could have gotten a kiss on the cheek at the very least.

Shootergirl comes into the set and we argue for a bit. This girl loves me, and hates me, and isn't sure which is more important to her. In my worst bit of game for the night I chased after her like an abandoned puppy, but I don't think it's done too much to tarnish my image with her. I hope.

A cute girl approached ScruffyAFC and asked him to come kiss her friend. Apparently it was her friend's birthday party. I went along, feeling very underappreciated, but when Shaft and his friend kissed the girl at the same time, and the girl _melted_ I knew Shaft was on his game. I immediately went in search of a set, and found a cute four-set near the dance floor.

I opened them with my fingernails, and got one of the best reactions I've gotten for them thus far.

Monkey: Hey girls. What's your first impression of these?
HB7: That is so hot.
Monkey: My fingernails, not my body.
HB7: I know. That is fucking awesome!
Monkey: Well thank you. You seem nice. I like you.
HB7: Check this out!

She holds up her hand for me to look at, and she has her fingers done exactly the same way mine are. Same shade of red, same shade of black, same fingers each color. We made a huge deal about it, and I got some great kino (a full-body hug and a kiss) out of the deal, and she became my new best friend. I saw a girl looking really bored in the set, so I ran the Nightrank (1-10) routine and she said a five.

Me: So what can I do to make your night a ten?

At this point, an obstacle I hadn't even known was in the set turned around and looked me dead in the eye. She looked like a ghetto queen from the lack of style to the bad makeup, and she had the gall to say:

Ghetto:You should buy us a bunch of drinks.
Monkey: With an attitude like that, honey, you'll be lucky if I let you buy ME a drink.

And the set evaporated. All they were there for was to make silly AFCs buy them drinks. I was angry. I'd gamed them well. I was in the set. My social proof was lined up, and I was just about to introduce Shaft when they all went "poof!" and disappeared.

It made me hungry.

We left the One immediately. I gave Dancergirl my penguin for good (it doesn't flash as much anymore, and that makes me sad...), and we took off. I strode into Bar Wild with so much alpha the bouncers backed off from me. I walked with Shaft and his Shootergirl and drank more booze than was neccessary. I gamed his Shootergirl with gusto, and gamed the guy sitting beside me, and that guy's girlfriend. When the camera came out, I took a picture of Shaft kissing his Shootergirl, and she took a picture of me kissing Shaft, and he took a picture of me kissing his Shootergirl. That girl loves me. I have a way with girls who serve small drinks.

I opened the impossible girls at the bar with their backs turned to me. I opened a seven-set in which none of them could hear what I was saying because I was so close to the speakers. I opened the beer tub girl. I opened the OTHER beertub girl. I opened sets full of nothing but guys. Every girl that entered my proximity had to give me an opinion on my nails, guys wearing makeup, dinosaurs, jealous girlfriends, everything I could think of. I was on fire.

I'm a bad wing. Sure, I helped isolate Shaft's target by occupying the obstacle. I even managed to get a kiss close out of her with some mediocre game. On my rating system (where 1 is average instead of hideous), she was a three. I gamed the hell out of her regardless. When Shaft reintroduced his target (whose tongue was down his throat for much of the introduction), she smiled at me and I stole her out from under him. He even helped me! He took over the obstacle, I ran one routine, and BAM! Kiss close. Then there were more shots with Shootergirl and coatcheck girl. Gamed them both briefly. Shootergirl will be mine at some point. ^_^

On the way out of the bar, Shaft opened a three set sitting on the bench. I can't remember why my juggling balls were out (something about the coatcheck), but Shaft's target asked about them so I did a four-toss and put them away. Then the obstacle, an 8 in her own right, asked me to juggle again.

HB8: Aw! I missed it! Juggle again!
Monkey: Is she always this greedy? You should have paid attention the first time.
HB8.5: She's a beautiful girl. You have to do what she says.
Monkey: Beauty is common. What are you going to do for me that will make me want to juggle for you?
HB8: (stunned silence)

I shrugged and moved out of the set while Shaft went to work on his target. Then we started back towards his truck.

A cute girl was sitting on the windowsill at Tim Hortons and I liked the hat she was wearing, so I tugged on it a bit.

Monkey: I love your hat. Where did you get it?
HB7: La Senz.
Monkey: La who?
HB7: La Senza.
Monkey: I don't believe you. That hat's too cool to have come from La Senza. You stole it from your grandmother, didn't you?
HB7: No!
Monkey: It's ok. I understand. A good hat is hard to find.
HB7: What's your name?
Monkey: Guess.
HB7: No.
Monkey: Fine then. We're broken up. I want my CDs back.
HB7: You want the sweater back too?
Monkey: No, but you have to get your fingernail polish out of my bathroom. Look at what it's forcing me to do! (show her my hands).
HB7: Those are gorgeous.
Monkey: You're nice. I like you.
HB7: I like you too.
Monkey: Let's play a game.

I ran the CUBE on her, a five-minute version that was pretty suck-ass, but I was beginning to feel the shots. Then I hit her with Strawberry Fields. These two routines are like the shot-gun of cold-reads. Use them in conjunction whenever possible.

Had her boyfriend's friend not been there, we would have been making out in minutes. Instead, we parted ways for a debriefing and then I went to Mocha's place to sleep.

All in all, a good night. A few botches to be fixed next weekend. Hope you guys did as well or better.

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What I am about to tell you is going to become the most incredibly powerful weapon in your arsenal, so pay close attention. It's called the SOI, or Statement of Interest, and in some cases it is all you need to take a relationship directly out of the friend zone and into your bed.

An SOI is basically a direct telling of your interest in the girl/guy you are gaming. It can be simple or complex. My favorite is "I find really sexy." It's simple. It's elegant. And it lets him/her know that you are not to be tethered by artificial restrictions on your relationship.

SOIs go hand-in-hand with what is known as a relate/reward cycle. You relate to something she's said, and you reward her for that relation. If she says something you find funny, you may reward her by saying "I find a sense of humor really sexy." If she says something sad, you can reward her by offering to take her mind off it (in a non-sexual, non-threatening way). As you build rapport, relate/reward cycles begin to end in bigger SOIs. This is known as Conversational Escalation. It's something like Kino Escalation, in both ideal and pacing.

Relate/Reward. Then SOI. Then escalate. Wear a condom.

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First and foremost, phone numbers are just a point-system. They mean very little, if anything. If you are already texting her, and getting a favorable response in most cases, then you are doing far better with numbers than most guys.

To your topic, yes it matters that you haven't called. Phone game is tough, but hearing your voice and making a conversational connection is important to getting your girl back into your frame. Call her and tell her to meet you somewhere. Not "Hey, we should go to a movie and, hey, you never know what might happen after," but "Hey, it's me. Come for coffee with me. Meet me at that Denny's by the park at eight."

If she shows, then you've got a second meet. If she doesn't, accept it and move on. Or tease her hideously for standing you up and tell her all about the cool people you met at Denny's that could have been HER friends too. I suggest the first, but the second can be fun.

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Her: I hate the color of my eyes.
Monkey: Your hair is worse. What's wrong with the color of your eyes?

Her: I'm a kick-boxer. I'm pretty butch, doncha know.
Monkey: Well at least ONE of us is. You can be my new bodyguard!

Her: I don't think I'm very pretty.
Monkey: I think you're pretty. But pretty is common. Everyone is pretty nowadays. A great personality and outlook on life are way more important to me.

Her: I wish I was that skinny.
Monkey: We're broken up, then. I prefer a woman who can appreciate an ice cream cone every once in a while.

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This works wonders on Agro Alphas: push them only as hard as they push you, then turn it around. The Agro pushes you and screams "Fuck you!" you push back with equal force, and scream "Fuck you!" Then offer him a piece of gum. Or point across the floor and say "Hey, man. Check her out. She has been checking you out for the last ten minutes." Give 100% back to him, no more, no less. Then turn it around and act like he's your best friend.

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Mocha is fucking awesome. ^_^

Yes, I've field-tested it, and it defuses the situation. It's confusing. It jars him out of his frame, because he's expecting you to be a dick, to fight you. When you give him back 100%, you're doing exactly what he wants you to do. When you offer him a stick of gum, you're doing exactly what he isn't expecting, and our minds can't process those opposing actions. It makes him stop and think for a minute. I've had it done to me, actually, and it's horribly disconcerting.

And yeah, everyone should go out and find a hot, friendly, female martial artist to be their protector. Just having her around defuses more fights than the fact that she could kick my ass through the pavement.

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Pivots help, that's for sure. They add social proof and preselection qualities that help raise your value above that of the creature she's already attracted to. But Dorian's right, there really is no basic routine for killing the boyfriend short of NLP. And if you know NLP at all, changing her beliefs regarding her boyfriend shouldn't be all that difficult. It's a fairly simple belief change, maybe an emotional anchor to remind her how much she dislikes X quality about him later.

NLP is evil. Don't be evil. If you have to hypnotize her away from her boyfriend, you're just being a dick.

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So I've been running into a strange bit of problem lately. Things will be going well in terms of conversation and conversational escalation, and I've established kino previously, but in two seperate instances an HB has placed a spoken barrier against kino that I feel strongly against breaking (I only go as far as she's comfortable; general rule).

The first instance was my second meet with Coffeegirl. Everything was going great, I'd established a bit of kino, and the talk was something like 75% sexual. A lot of direct game. But when her body language screamed UNCOMFORTABLE, I called her on it. She replied she's uncomfortable with most people (a shit-test, I'm sure), and having felt like I'd treaded on some strange line, I asked her where "I'm uncomfortable" turned into "I'm leaving." She replied "When they touch me." BAM. Gigantic wall between she and I that seemed utterly impenetrable. Go beyond her wishes and give her a reason to run off, or drop any sort of kino escalation and give up on any kind of physical close? I went with the latter, figuring it had only been four hours or so, but the former was sorely tempting a few times.

Earlier today, a girl I'd been gaming at work sent up a similar wall; I poked her in the side (one of the most innocent ways I establish kino), and she told me not to poke her. "I have enough guys trying to touch me in the bars, I don't need it at work too," she says, like I'm some sort of bar molester (I never molest without permission!).

In the second case I froze her out for a bit, but it got exactly the wrong kind of response. I think it came off less as "Whatever, then. I don't need you," and more "I'm angry you won't let me touch you, you frigid bitch;" I've never been particularly strong with freeze-outs, and they tend to come off as sullen. Besides which, we weren't really at a place I could freeze-out effectively; it was mostly an experiment to see if she would try to build back our rapport and get my attention again. She didn't.

I'm sure I'm not the only guy out here who's experienced this. What's the best strategy for dealing with LMR-style defenses against kino? How do you escalate properly with a girl you can't touch? Am I establishing kino too early? Too late?

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The jealous girlfriend opener is good, but Mocha is having no trouble with opening. It's more her mid-game that she wants to work on right now. She's having difficulty getting to a point where she can begin to qualify the guy she's talking with (one of the most important aspects of girl-game thus discovered). She needs to build enough rapport with them that she can make value-eliciting statements, and I'm not sure an opener will work for that.

It could make for an interesting re-thread, though. A socially-charged situation that guys may still be interested in.

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Good Gawd! The dinosaur opener has achieved such notoriety that people I've never heard of are teaching AFC's its power!

So here's the thing about building rapport: you have to give some to get some. Sitting and asking her interesting questions is alright, but they have to be interesting in a very emotionally neutral sort of way. The dinosaur question is not a rapport building question; it's an opener that starts a conversation, and it works because almost no one asks anyone about dinosaurs.

In order to build a deeper rapport with someone, you have to make personal statements that don't suck. A good example would be "When I was a kid, I wanted to be a paleontologist." It's something people don't hear often, and it provides a good insight into one of your passions (assuming dinosaurs are actually important to you; I happen to quite like dinosaurs). Making personal statements, especially open-ended statements that invite responses, is the fastest and easiest way to build rapport quickly. Don't talk about work. Don't talk about places. Talk about YOUR feelings, YOUR passions, YOUR insecurities, and you'll be providing her unspoken permission to do the same.

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I love hired guns, regardless of where they are. They have a reason to talk to you (they're working), and they appreciate any kind of distraction from the doldrums of their tasks.

If you're at a department store, and she's not engaged with anyone else, just walk up and open like you normally would. Understand that your game should be a little slower, because it's day-game and day game is always a few steps down on tempo. Take your time, enjoy the process, and draw it out a bit.

If she's at a counter, with a huge line, and a sour expression on her face, go away. She doesn't want anything to do with you until she's not busy. She has more important things to worry about than a cute guy in line, no matter that he has something cool to talk about.

Somewhere in the middle? Feel free to open, and talk, and flirt, and use her work as a time constraint. "Hey, I should let you get back to work. But I'd like to talk to you again sometime. Is there some way we can arrange that?"

If she says "Well just come back to the store!" you say "Well what if I want to talk to you without the interruption of work?" or "What if I'd like to see you away from the mall?" and vacuum.

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I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the phrase "pull a Monkey." It sounds entirely too much like a dick-and-fart joke. ^_^

I game every guy that walks into my set. If I'm talking to a girl and a guy walks up and starts talking to her, I'll steal his attention and game the shit out of him. They almost always evaporate after a little while because a) I have better game than they do, b) they think I'm hitting on them or c) I actually don't know why they go away; they may just think I'm annoying.

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A few points.

Intelligence means nothing in emotional connection. When we're talking "deep," we're talking emotional, and anyone with an IQ over 70 can talk about what they feel.

I've got a philosophical hottie that I talk to because I love her intelligence, but our deepest conversations are always those that relate directly to emotional contexts.

And if you want to keep yourself from a heady emotional connection with a girl, you have to tell her that. From the beginning. When you've entered rapport at all, you have to let her know that you're not looking for a long-term relationship, or you'll be facing all sorts of expectations you're not prepared to fulfill. Even if SHE isn't looking for something long term, you need to make your expectations for the relationship clear. Statements of Intent (like a statement of interest, but different), will help you with this. "I don't really believe in long-term relationships. I'm more of a seven-night-stand kind of guy," is my personal favorite.

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Kay, Shaft, we've talked about this with Mocha, but I'm not sure it's been a problem with you previously, so this may be the first time I've directed it at you.

If you want someone to open up to you, there are two paths you can take to making that happen. The first is by asking questions, but a lot of times it becomes something like an interrogation. Rather than ask questions that involve your targets, you ask questions that can be quickly answered and then ignored. These are referred to as closed-ended questions.

Open ended questions are those that elicit a more detailed response. "What?" is a very bad question. It can be answered in monosylables if desired, on nearly every occasion. "Why?" is a much better question, because it requires a deeper delving of a topic. Almost as powerful as "Why," but less psycho-therapist-ish is "How?" It allows for them to elaborate on the topic, something men are more comfortable discussing than women, while leading up to the why.

Open-ended questions engage people on a level less immediately about the topic. Open-ended questions engage people emotionaly. As a horrible example you should never use in the field, "How did that make you feel?" is an open ended question.

The other road is the open-ended statement. People do not ask their friends a barrage of questions, but rather make broad statements about their own experiences. "So, I went to the mall today," is something a friend may say to a friend.

An open-ended statements are, in a lot of ways, just like open-ended questions. They engage on the emotional, rather than the topical. "So I went to Hawaii on vacation," is a closed statement. "I love how scuba-diving makes me feel like I'm the only person in the whole world; it's fun but it's also kind of scary," is open-ended, and invites further conversation.

Engage people (everyone, anyone) on an emotional level, and you'll find that they are much more likely to be interesting people.

Then again, some folk are just plain boring. They haven't been anywhere or done anything. In these cases, it's a great idea to try a spot of role-playing with them. Tell her all the wonderfully exciting/scary/sexy things you're going to do together. Describe your future adventures in vivid, emotional detail, and you'll find that even the boring people will find something to say.

And always, always, always remember the 90/10 rule. If it seems they're giving less of the conversation than you are, they ARE giving less of the conversation than you are, and you need to make up for that lack. When she wants to give 50, you give 50 back, but not a moment beforehand. And if she slips back into 10, give 90 until she's comfortable again.

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The boys above have forgotten one key detail: kino.

Making any kind of move requires that you initiate and continue physical contact. Innocent contact at first, but slowly escalating into more intimate forms of contact.

I talk with my hands, so touching a girl's upper arm is as easy as flicking my wrist at them like a gay man. You may want a more masculine initiation, but it works for me, and I stick by it. After a couple of these innocent touches, I'll scootch my whole body until I'm touching them arm-to-arm, hip-to-hip. I'll put my arm around them if I can, and make excuses to hold their hand. I'll touch their face last before moving in for the kiss-close, as written above.

Kino, from innocent to sexual, is a very important progression. It's better to keep yourself from thinking of it as "making a move," and better to see it as a series of small steps towards taking her clothes off.

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The Game is played in the field, buddy. The only way to learn is to play, and that means going out and meeting girls. Casual observers of the community will never learn as much from reading as they would in five cold approaches.

Walk up to a girl. Say something intriguing or ask an intriguing question. Then eject from the set. Do this until you're comfortable doing so on command. I still get approach anxiety, but I never let it bother me. Come back, and we'll let you know how to go from "Starting a conversation," to "Sleeping with some girl you just met." ^_^

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A few tips with girls you already know:

If you have strong rapport already, establish kino. The longer you've known her, the longer you have to stay in the innocent zone of kino. Light touches. Nothing big. And steer the conversation away from all things sexual for a while. Then escalate both simultaneously and SLOWLY. Most guys fuck up in their pacing; they move too fast in non-bar situations and too slowly in bars. Make sure you're not telegraphing neediness. It's a priviledge for this girl to sleep with you, not the other way around.

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Cocky/funny is good, but it's not for everyone. The thing with girls you already know is that they know your attitude already, and if there is a switch in your attitude, they'll notice it. Talk to her like you normally would, and try to escalate the kino.

If she tries to put you into the LJBF zone, kill that with "I don't like to place artificial boundaries on my relationships. But I do promise not to go any further than you are comfortable with at any given time."

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The butterflies never go away. You just learn to appreciate their presence. ^_^

First, the phone conversation is an alright wing, and your opener was a good one (I may be forced to use it later, because I walk everywhere). You should have had a story to back it up, though, something related to your buddy on the phone.

Don't fluff. Should I ever find you fluffing, I shall be forced to be seriously wroth with you. Every sentance in your interaction should have an emotional impact, either in the form of an open-ended statement, or an open-ended question. Fluff is useless, and does not serve your needs at all.

Your neg was a good one, but should have been directed at her friends instead of her directly. "Is she always so... vain?"

Other than those little tweeks, I think you did quite well.

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It's always funny. The nod that you give the girl in question is that you say it with a gigantic smile on your face. In fact, you say everything in your opening game with a gigantic smile on your face.

If she gets pissed, it's because she can't take a joke. And do you really want to wake up next to a woman who can't take a joke? I know I don't. Eject gracefully and move on to your next set.

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I tell OTHER people how hot I am. I'm so pretty, it hurts that other people aren't as pretty as me. I'm a 10, hands down, and I believe that to my core.

The trick isn't to say it to yourself over and over and over again: it's to believe it. KNOW that you are the shit. KNOW that you are the prettiest creature in the bar. KNOW that you are more interesting than any human being presently breathing. KNOW that you are charming, charismatic, and a pleasure to talk to.

Don't think arrogant. BE arrogant.

One of my favorite points with Coffeegirl was when she asked what I was taking in University. I replied:

Monkey: I am WAY too smart for University.
Coffeegirl: Whoa! Aren't we arrogant!
Monkey: I'm not arrogant. I'm confident.

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I know I've said this before in a different post somewhere, but I'm saying it again because I think its important.

Put the books down. Don't sarge your fellow students. Don't manipulate them. Just be a kid for fuck's sake.

Think about this: you have a freakishly powerful weapon in your hands right now. And to use it on girls who are, in truth, far easier than anyone in the adult world (less jaded and just as horney), is immature of you. You could get your classmates into bed with you with some sweet words and a bit of confidence. You don't need game for them.

Wait. If you find yourself failing horribly in your attempts at finding adult companionship, then yeah, come on back and learn yourself some game. But let yourself mature a bit. I wouldn't give a gun to a high-school kid, and I'm loath to hand the most powerful social weapons I've ever had in the same hands. >_<

And if you find yourself sexually frustrated in high school, get over it. We were ALL sexually frustrated in high school, even those of us getting nookie on a regular basis.

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General dinosaurs are also acceptable, but you need to know a few things about dinosaurs. For instance:

There is no such thing as a brontosaurus. The wrong head was put on the body of what was otherwise a brachiosaur.

T-rex was likely not a carnivore at all, but instead a scavenger that scared off smaller predators from their kills. His head was too large for standard predation, and his arms were too small for him to grasp his prey.

Ankylosaurus looks like a giant turtle with a big ball on the end of his tail. I always use this as my favorite dinosaur because not many people know it, and everyone loves turtles.

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I'm at the One in Edmonton, and finally the party begins. People begin to pour in as though from nowhere, most of the girls are hot (excepting only the hideously fat girl on the dance floor with the seven-five), and girls are dancing like epilepsy's gone contageous.

I'm a first time club PUA. Perhaps it's strange, but I started with cold-approaches on the street, and that's been working really well for me. I've been at it less than a week. A good dose of rejection recently cramped my style, but with the weekend upon me, I felt it neccessary to flex my pickup muscles and try the club scene.

Yesterday was horrible. I called an 11, a certifiable 11, and was told "My girlfriend is going to France today, so I'm pretty busy all night. But why don't you give me your number and I'll call you in a bit?" So, being a newly rehabilitated AFC, I give her my number and expected a call back in a few days. Instead of going out for coffee, I decided to sarge for a bit, see if I can't number close a few more. The two days previous had provided me four phone numbers on cold approaches, and I was feeling cocky.

I headed down to the LRT, feeling good despite the brush-off. I'd recently picked up a bit of peacock gear - a star that says "Sheriff," a small penguin that flashes red-blue-and-gold, and a necklace with a fish on it that's way too tight for my neck - and I was eager to field-test each piece. While waiting for the train, though, my phone rang. I answered to hear my 11's voice.

HB11: Hi, it's HB11 calling!
Monkey: Hey, wassup?
HB11: Well I don't mean to be presumptuous, but I wanted to let you know that I have a boyfriend and I'm not really looking at seeing other people.
Monkey: (In my best AFC imitation) Oh. Alright.
HB11: But we can talk, if you want.
Monkey: Yeah. Sure...

So feeling the horrible pains of rejection for the first time since starting pickup, I went sarging and sucked the whole night. I ruined a perfect four-set of Danish chicks by failing to institute a time constraint. I killed a four-set of hot chicks at the bar by forgetting my ID when we shifted between bars. Not my greatest night.

So tonight, I told myself, I'd do better.

I went to a club in Edmonton called the One. At first, it was horrible, no one around and no scotch to be found. I went to Filthy McNasty's, which had been hype the night before, and found it at least as dead. So, figuring the bar must have picked up by now, I headed back to the One. Things had indeed picked up. There was a party of some sorts going on, I'm figuring bachelorette, and girls were dancing everywhere. I wanted to bide my time for a bit, find a good set, drink some scotch and enjoy myself. Finally, later into the night, a good set presented itself. A hot blonde with a deep tan, and a luscious little East Indian girl; 9.5 and 8 respectively. I figured that rather than pick a target before approach, I'd guage response, and see how things went from there.

Monkey: Hey, can I get your opinion on something?
HB8: For sure!
HB9.5: I guess...
Monkey: Is it cool for a dude to wear makeup?
HB8: Um... Dark eyeliner!
HB9.5: Yeah. Dark eyeliner.

I tell them I've got a buddy back home getting ragged on for wearing some Calvin Klien Model bullshit with darkened cheeks and eyeshadow and shit. I name him John. The Johns I know would not be impressed, as none of them in fact wear makeup. We discuss it, they decide that I should NOT quash his individuality, and I move on to cube the 8 because the 9.5's reaction has been freakishly distant since I showed up. I can't figure it out; every other set I've played has eaten the whole thing up, but this girl seems really suspicious, and I can't figure out why.

So I cube the 8, and everything goes well. I'm preparing to run Strawberry Fields on the 9.5, just to loosen her up a bit, or maybe just a simple ESP trick. (Pick a number or somesuch). I look up, at her, and she's looking at me like I'm some sort of insane man.

Monkey: You don't look convinced, darling.
HB9.5: I read all of this in a book.
Monkey: Really? That's crazy!
HB9.5: Yeah. Everything you've said since you showed up is right out of that book.
Monkey: Ain't that a thing. What is this mystical book called?
HB9.5: The Game.
girls look at one another, at which point I would normally run a best-friends test...
Monkey: You scare me. You're a strange girl.
HB8: Go try on someone else, though!

The worst part is that she wasn't upset at all, the 8. She was really encouraging, and it seemed like she was disappointed that I was leaving.

I was cockblocked by Style's book, guys. More accurately, I was AMOGed by it. It was bound to happen eventually, but it hurts that it happened to me. I've been in the game less than a week, and already the book that helped get me into it is working directly against me? The hell am I supposed to do about that?

-Monkey

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It's funny, but I'd actually forgotten about this horrible occurance. I've seen her since, and gamed her again, and this time just looked her in the eye and mentally dared her to blow me out, to use the Game against me, to tell me it was all in a book. She didn't. I ejected instead.

Was I really that horrible when I started? Damn...

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What I think xfman is getting at is what I call a re-thread. I'm not sure if that's common pick-up lexicon or not. I'm not sure where I got it from.

Re-threading occurs whenever there is a lull in the conversation. When it seems like you are losing the interest of the set, throw in something new. Usually, it comes in the form of a new opener. Other times, it comes in the form of a story. Some folks do magic tricks or some other form of performance. If it seems like you are no longer the focus of the group's interest, re-thread and up the ante a bit.

I always open with my least sensational opener (my fingernails; they're always painted three red and two black to a hand). When it looks like the conversation is starting to lag, I'll up the ante with Dinosaurs, or Nom de Penguin, or Make-up. Sometimes, if I'm in a low-energy set, I'll start with something a bit more extreme (two-sets get hit with Make-up a LOT), but I try to come in a bit under the radar and constantly up the level of energy until I'm ready to isolate.

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Suggestion one: The game is played in the field, not on a computer. I forbid you the use of any instant message confabulation in your game for the rest of forever. It is impersonal, indirect, and freakishly easy to misinterpret. If you must communicate over any sort of distance, you may use your telephone, and then only to facilitate face-to-face interaction.

Suggestion two: Never, ever, EVER take a woman you are interested in to the movies. Movies are horrible nasty places of utter silence and stillness, where interruption of any sort is unappreciated. They are places of etiquette, and you are not a man of etiquette; you are the exception to the rules.

Suggestion three: Tell her to come with you to whatever it is you are doing. Don't ask. Tell her to come with you, and she will listen to you. Why? Because you have taken control. If she doesn't come with you, neg her. Punish her by talking to someone else and ignoring her. Make her know that you will not be accepting such silly behavior in the future through your body language and your speech. When you want to go out with her, it is her priviledge to accompany you. It is a gift you bestow upon her, because YOU are the prize.

You: I'm going out for coffee. Come with me.
Her: I can't, I've got suchandsuchtodo.
You: Never mind. You're not allowed to have coffee with me.
Her: I just told you I can't.
You: I know you can't. I won't let you. I'm calling Kathy. SHE's my favorite now.

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You can't let one bad day bring you down. We all struggle a bit when we first get into the community, and getting comfortable with yourself is a big part of gaining congruence in set.

Look at it like your favorite sport. Were you good at it your first day? Probably not, but you practiced and now you've gained some proficience with it. With practice and some calibration, you'll get the hang of it eventually.

Keep in mind, though, that Mystery's stuff didn't appear in a vacuum. There is a wealth of material out there for the enterprising pick-up artist, and you should expose yourself to as much as you can. Find your own method, even if it's just a jumble of other people's material.

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Monkey: Excuse me, maybe you can help us with a problem. I presently have Thumb War Dominance over my friends here. They want to see if I'm just really good, or if they just really suck. (stick out your hand in traditional thumb-war style)

It worked on a waitress at the pub the other night, so I thought I'd share.

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Dorian, buddy, you're a tool. So let's figure out how to get you out of this mess and get you back in your game.

First and foremost, ditch the chick. If she calls you to do something, tell her you're entertaining a young lady of your acquaintance tonight and can't see her. If she starts calling on a regular basis (she shouldn't; she should evaporate as soon as she figures you're fucking someone else when you have the option of being with her), tell her you need your space. If all else fails, tell her "I'm sorry, but I just don't find you attractive," and end it there.

Now let's talk about Pickmeism. This applies equally to you and some of the other guys on the forum, so I'm going to make this a very general thing.

Most of the guys involved in the game right now came into it with some pretty basic self-esteem problems. I'm one of them, so while I sympathize and empathize with your plight, I feel the need to correct the belief on which the plight is based. When a pretty woman shows interest in a man with low self-esteem, he latches onto her. She's picked him, and that provides him a sense of accomplishment and self-worth. There is nothing wrong with getting attached to a woman to whom you find yourself attracted, but doing so before certain criteria are met can be a dangerous and potentially game-fatal behavioral pattern.

You are suffering from Pickmeism if the following is true:
1) You are not sleeping with the girl in question.
2) You consider this individual your girlfriend, signifigant other, or similar.
3) You are not actively seeking companionship from other women due to your affiliation with the woman in question.
4) You are acting like a tool (even a little bit) for the woman in return for her attention, and little else.

If you have not slept with her, she is not your girlfriend. If you have been seeing one another for less than six months, she is not your girlfriend. If she has you buying things or paying for things while giving you little-to-nothing in return, she isn't WORTHY of being your girlfriend and you should ditch her. Move on to the next girl, and play it safter this time.

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So Shaft was dumb and made plans with family, so Mocha and I were left to our own devices for the night. I actually ended up waiting at Chapters for something like half an hour before I decided none of my people were showing up, and headed down to Mocha's place to get moderately peacocked.

I left most of my peacocking stuff at home this weekend, so all I really had going for me was my nailpolish. But I quite like my nailpolish, and it's rather become part of my normal style. I don't even feel it's weird to be wearing it at work anymore.

We got lubricated, more than I'd intended again, which definately played against my game in the beginning. The weather was crap, the bars were full by the time we got out and running around. All in all it was a pretty crap night with a few highlights throughout.

In discussing my post regarding the belief that one is the most desirable creature in one's environment, Mocha made the passing comment:

Mocha: I am so much prettier than you.
Monkey: Gah. You are not. I am GORGEOUS.
Mocha: Yeah, but I'm still prettier than you.
Monkey: You so are not.
Mocha: Hey guys, who do you think is prettier, him or me?
HD2: Um... Her. Obviously.
Monkey: Nothing obvious about it!
HD3: Yeah. Her.
Monkey: I call biased jury! You're both dudes!
Mocha: So ask some girls.
Monkey: Hey girls, who do you think is prettier, her or me?

In unison, and without hesitation, they pointed at Mocha, which I found more funny than insulting. We stood in two lines for two bars before losing patience with both of them, asking random people who they thought was prettier. Mocha got exactly 100% of the vote, though one girl did tell me she thought I was more "precious" than pretty. Aw. She was cute. Mocha gamed a couple of guys in line behind us, opening with Who's Prettier, and following up by asking which set of fingernails was better painted. They said hers, and she gamed the crap out of them. It was cute. The boys were not, so we left the line and headed for a bar that didn't have a line.

We ended up at a vodka bar I'd never heard of, which was interesting. Chachi boys were everywhere, and one accosted me at the coatcheck. He grabbed my shoulders and told me to get laser eye surgery; it would apparently change my life.

Chachi: Laser eye surgury!
Monkey: Laser eye surgury! You're my new best friend!
Chachi: Have you met my girlfriend (he puts his arm around the coatcheck girl)?
Monkey: (to Coatcheck) You're cheating on me already? We're broken up. And I want my CDs back.

I took a survey of the room, and saw way more cock than I'm personally comfortable with, but Mocha was in a better frame than me anyway, so we went in and she went straight for the dance floor (her own personal playground) while I went to buy a drink. I stood around for a good twenty minutes waiting for the bartender to care that I'd been standing there for twenty minutes. Mocha came back from the dance floor, and opened a smoking blonde from behind me and brought me into the set. She started with our fingernails, and I continued with the Makeup rethread and she seemed to think I was an esthetician. I number closed, but she didn't write down her name. Don't know exactly what I plan to do about that...

Ejecting from the set, I saw a chubby solo sitting on a couch by the entrance so I sit down to sip my beer. I had no intention of opening her, but saw this strange little creature on her cell-phone that looked like a penguin. I asked her the Penguin opener and she opened right up telling me about her hobby of making cartoon figures out of produce. I thought it was cute; like veggie-tales, but stranger. I love women with quirks, so I continued gaming her for a bit, sliding into Juggler Method rather than continue with routines. An ugly bald guy showed up, so Mocha pulled him from the set, and he was quickly followed by a man with a hideous goatee, who requested that I vacate my seat so he could game Chubby. I quickly took the opportunity to eject.

We changed venues, going to a place appropriately called Monkey Island where neither Mocha nor I gamed anyone. We instead played a punching game that rates how strong a puncher you are. I am apparently a "Superman," the level down from "Boxer."

So various weirdnesses. Mocha number closed three boys. I number closed one girl. We got into two of the five clubs we tried to go to; next week we go earlier.

And Shaft, meet me at Chapters at 9:00 Friday, every week, for the rest of forever. >_<

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I always tell my target what the plan is. We call them Statements of Intent. "You and I are sleeping together later" is one of my favorite late-game SOIs. I tell girls that I know they are attracted to me, and that I am also attracted to them.

And I tell girls about the game. Not just the book, but the whole deal. I tell them about the seduction community. I tell them I'm a pick-up artist. Then the real kicker: I offer to teach them. Mocha is actually responsable for that, because having a girl know her game is alluring to me. It's like a good game of chess; it's more interesting and engaging when your opponent knows the rules as well as you do.

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Short answer: No.

As soon as she walks away from you, she is thinking about something else. When she looks at your number the next day as she's emptying out her pockets, she thinks nice things about you for ten seconds, then forgets everything about you. This continues ad nauseum. If she calls back, it's because she REALLY digs you, and you should find the rest of your game bouyed by that.

Trading is best because it gives her a way to call you back if she doesn't have call display. ^_

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First and foremost, slow down. Stop worrying. Take a deep breath and relax. Then call her and talk to her about something completely unrelated to going out. Tell her something you learned in class that you want to share with EVERYONE. Then say you're going out for lunch, and as an afterthought invite her along. If she says no again, wait a couple of days and repeat as neccessary.

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Slow down. Take a deep breath. Relax.

Yes, call her. When you call her, ask her "Who is this?" and when she replies say "Oh! Hey! You're that girl from the party, right? I found this number in my pocket, but it didn't have a name attached to it."

Yes, you should ask her out, but not directly. Tell her you're going out for coffee, and as an afterthought, invite her along. Or, my preferred method, simply order her to come for coffee with you.

Method1: I'm going out for coffee in an hour. You should join me. I'll bring my slinky.

Method2: You're joining me for coffee. I'll bring my slinky.

If she says no, don't worry about it. Call again a few days later and repeat as neccessary. As for where to go, go for coffee. Or go window shopping. Or go to a park.

No, you don't pay for anything. ANYTHING. Until you've seen her naked, you owe her nothing. Just start up a conversation and expect her to pay for herself if you're doing something money-related.

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Don't count the old girls out, but don't rely on them either. If you run into them, run some game on them. If you don't, forget about them and go after new targets. Targets are never really that hard to find, and you'll note that the girls you consider approaching now are way hotter than the girls you would have approached a few months ago.

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While I am forced to admit that Mystery is a genious, he's also completely batfuck crazy. It comes through in his writing. There is almost no coherent thread-through to the sections of his book, making it read like an epileptic fit. The ideas are solid, and the Method works, but reading his book is like putting your brain in a blender and hitting frappe.

Then again, not all of us have the writing prowess of Juggler or Style.

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I've said it once, and I am likely going to say it over and over again: the game is played in the field. Hiding behind your computer and gaming girls over the internet is never going to help you win the confidence that makes a good pick-up artist. It might get you laid occasionally, sure, but it's not game.

I did, however, e-mail close a model on Sunday, so I may attempt for a second meet. That's about the only good use I can think of for the internet in your game.

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Not a bad summary of what I was saying, but not quite complete.

The only reason I would consider using the internet for game is if I e-mail close on a real sarge. Practice does not make perfect; it makes permanent. And if you continually practice a mode of communication that does not work in real social situations (such as those practiced on the internet), you will find that you are actually impeding your progress.

The best analogy I have for it is something from writing. Writers occasionally get sidetracked into writing things for fan organizations and websites and the like, and they get a great sense of satisfaction having done so. But their real work begins to suffer for it. Because it feels like writing, fanac can be an incredibly dangerous pit for a writer to fall into.

Netgame is much the same. Because it FEELS like game, you gain a sense of accomplishment having "gamed" a girl online. But the game is played on the field, and the field is not in cyberspace. You can USE the internet as a tool in your game (much as you use a telephone to do the same), but there is a distinct difference in the quality and tone of netgame and realgame.

Women online are much more liberated and free to express themselves than they are in the real world. With the sheild of a computer monitor between them and they men they are talking to, they are free to say things and "do" things that they would never dream of doing in real life. You can't trust a girl online to even be a GIRL, let alone tell you the truth about anything else.

Go to a bar and approach some women. Stop hiding, and stop being so naieve as to assume that the hot, sexy woman on the other end of the chatroom isn't actually a fifty year old dude with a hard-on for younger guys.

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The only line you will ever need for number closing goes something like "Look, it's been great talking to you, but I've got to meet up with my friends right away. What steps can we take to continue this conversation later?"

If she doesn't offer you her phone number, you can ask for it directly. "Do you have a phone number I can reach you at?"

And yes, asking her name does telegraph an aweful lot of interest from the get-go. It's better to wait for her to ask, or to introduce yourself after you've built some rapport. The former is preferable, but the latter works in a pinch.

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I'm gonna run with "other," because the worst cock-block you are ever going to find is your target. If her friends try to cock-block, but you've got great rapport, her friends will fail. If her mother tells her not to see you, but she feels a good connection to you, her mother will fail. If a guy tries to impress her by being more alpha than you, but she finds your value intrinsically higher than his, the guy will fail. But if you do something to put her shields up, she will cock-block (or ascede to cock-blockage) so fast you'll wake up with balls on your forehead.

Your target is the one that makes a decision about you. Everyone else can influence that decision, sure, but if her mind is made up, no one is going to change it but her. Don't give her a reason to change her mind, and cock-blocking stops being a real problem.

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What you did works if you're doing something that requires money, but not all dates require money. I like to go for walks, window shopping ("It's my new favorite sport!"), or something incredibly cheap like coffee. Try not to make a financial commitment to a girl until you know she's willing to make a commitment to your interaction. The biggest indicator she's willing to make an investment is when she'll sleep with you, but there are others if you're looking for them. The general rule, don't pay for things until you've slept with her, but there are a few exceptions. Also, pay for things when YOU want to, not because she's guilted you into it, or because you think it will get you laid. If she can't afford coffee, tell her you'll make it at your place. ^_^

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"Oh my god... You look so MAD! What could possibly be so wrong with the world that you have to run around with that scowl on your face?"

And she'll either tell you, or she'll disqualify your statement and tell you she's not mad, or she'll tell you to fuck off. If she tells you to fuck off, fuck off. Otherwise, you've started your interaction and can take it to any place you like. I suggest a rethread with something silly, like the Ninja Turtles.

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Close anxiety is just as horrible as approach anxiety. In fact, it's worse for me, because it's at this point that the rejection becomes a real rejection of YOU, instead of a general rejection of whatever happens to be going on.

If you're having trouble initiating and escalating kino, treat it the same way you did your approach anxiety. It's uncomfortable, but you plow through it and make with the touching. You'll find it more comfortable as time goes on.

I have to work on my close anxiety too, though, so this is sort of like the blind leading the blind. ^_^

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The magic number is twelve. If you've bagged ten women since your breakup, and the shine is still on her, give her a second shot. Just make sure that your intentions, and her intentions, are very clear. You can't expect things to go back to how they were, but you CAN control where they are going by making your intentions perfectly, wonderfully clear. If she lies to you or goes against her stated intentions, kick her to the curb and make a video of all the girls you fuck thereafter.

Send said video to her address.

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This is strongly reminiscent of Juggler's glare opener. He'll glare at a girl for a split-second before he approaches, then says something about how she looks like a girl he just HATES, and continue his freakishly natural game.

I envy that man so much it hurts.

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Her: Are u searching for an excuse to see me again?
Monkey: Yes. Got a problem with that?

Her: Why u want to go to another bar/disco (change place)?
Monkey: Because this one sucks. The only pretty girl here is... (look around for a while)

Her: You and me could never get into a relationship.
Monkey: Oh I know. We are so broken up. And I want my CDs back.

Her: I think its better we shouldnt see each other so often.
Monkey: Well I'm glad YOU said it. Now I can go see that Brazillian hottie I've been talking to on Yahoo Chat.

Doing Hand writing: Her: Are u searching an excuse to touch me?
Yes.

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Never, EVER underestimate the power of your own nerdish qualities to help you pick up women. If game stops working, throw a Monty Python quote or two her way and see if it gets any results. ^_^

Geek is the new black. I actually have the word "GEEK" tattooed to the back of my neck. Geek is, ironically, cool. But you do have to be excited about it. Not, "Want me to tell you about my D&D character" excited, but "YAY! SCIENCE CENTER!" excited.

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I use a pretty standard kiss-close, but I do know one routine that can be kind of fun. After you have the k-close, challenge her:

You: That was crap. I bet you don't have a lot of experience kissing.
Her: Um... What!?!
You: Here. Let's play a game. I'll come up with a kiss, and demonstrate it. Then you do the same. Whoever comes up with the most kinds of kisses wins!

There's a good list online somewhere (go look, I'm too lazy to find it) of a huge variety of kiss types.

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There's no such thing as a forbidden topic. You may not want to use love at first sight as your opener, thought I'd have to field test it a bit to make sure, but when you've built decent rapport, you SHOULD broach the sexual. It is important for you to make your expectations, your wants and your needs known, so that she can do the same. Be able to bring that to the table, and let her know that its cool for her to do the same.

But don't joke about it. A joke merely obfuscates the seduction, which is not what you want. If you talk about sex, make it the only thing you take seriously in the whole of the conversation. Joke about politics. Joke about death. Joke about family and friends and whatever else takes your fancy, but do NOT joke about sex.

Tell her, with subtle hints and in the middle of a story or a routine, what you can do for her sexually. Make sure she knows that you have every intention of stacking multiple orgasms on her, and destroying her preconcieved notions of a one-night-stand. Hell, make sure she knows you like to wear sequins and get spanked if that's what you're into. But don't joke about it.

In sales, we call it planting a seed. You state, straight out, what you can do for your target, and let her think about it subconsciously. You let the seed grow by reinforcing the idea, over and over again throughout the conversation. Water the idea, let it flower, and eventually she'll think it was her idea to come to your house and get a deep dickin', not yours.

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I have said it before, and I will say it once more: NLP = EVIL.

I think it's important to talk sex during the comfort phase.

We used to talk about this in sales: it's called acclimatization. As the target becomes used to you talking about sex and sexuality, it won't seem strange when you broach it in seduction phase. She acclimatizes to it before you run for the close.

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Negging is just silly all around. I still believe that.

Pick-up is like a fine game of chess. It's better when all of the players know the rules, and have some idea of the strategy involved. The more equal the players, the more entertaining the game. That's part of why pick-up was developed; girls learn more about social dynamics in early life than men do (in very broad general terms, anyway). Men needed to catch up, and did so as we learn everything: in logical terms. Social dynamics can be broken down into logic, and so men who think logically can make it work.

Game for girls is a little different, in that is utilizes strong social dynamic skills to properly filter out undesirable men. Any woman can pick up some random guy in the bar. Finding the men most desirable to you, though, is a bit more difficult a process.

I used to tell women inept at dating that the simplest way to get a man to sleep with you is to walk up to him, give him a playful smile, and brush your hand across his crotch. This was in my pre-game days, and I know now it is a bit more difficult than that (consider the crotch-brush the feminine version of direct game), but it works. Getting the most attractive man in the room to sleep with you? That's a bit harder, and requires actual work.

We're working on it. I'm on something of a hiatus from game at the moment, which means I'm not working on it as much as I could be. I'm thinking about getting back into it, but with Mocha as busy as she is, and Shaft doing stuff that resembles work, I may need to locate a new wing.

I'm also thinking about organizing a workshop. Nothing extravagant, and certainly nothing along the lines of Mystery or Charisma Arts. Just a little introductory course, fee negotiable, in Monkey Method and calibration. It would, of course, be open to women as well. It could well be the first mixed-group workgroup in pick-up. Let me know what y'all think.

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have no idea what the hell that crap was, but it wasn't English.

It doesn't matter what you open with. It's NEVER mattered what you open with. Juggler opens with "How are you?" I've opened with "I don't mean to get into your personal space, but I need to open this window." Mocha's opened with "Stop!" It doesn't matter. It's always about what you follow up with.

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I'm 5'11. It doesn't matter. In fact, height can be intimidating. Just make sure you're confident about your height. Be the first to mention how short you are. Make short jokes. If you're uncomfortable with something about yourself, get comfortable with it. You're not too short. She's too tall. ^__^

Which is something you should be doing with EVERYTHING you're uncomfortable about. Get confident with it. Make it a point of pride in yourself. Accept it and love it and make it your own. I have the word "GEEK" tattooed to the back of my neck. And I'm not exaggerating; ask Shaft; it's there.

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First, anything that gets girls on the dancefloor. My present favorite is "Sexyback" by Justin Timberlake. Hate to admit it, but the kid's got charsima. Then, anything that gets the girls OFF the dancefloor. My personal favorite for that is the Hamsterdance Song.

The reason for this is twofold. Girls on the dancefloor look good. I like to judge my targets based on how they dance. If they dance well, I find I'm more attracted to them. Second, physical activity gets the endorphines flowing. When they come off the dance floor exhausted and happy, and I'm the first thing they see, they associate their happiness with me. And that makes me happy. ^_^

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I love the "Fabulous" opener for really loud clubs. It's also how I would have opened the deaf girl - had I known she was deaf - Shaft opened in our most recent sarging trip (or was it the one before that?) Walk up to her, and give her a quick up and down. Look like you do NOT like what you see. Shake your head a bit. Then start adjusting her clothing and her hair. If she asks you what you're doing, you can lean in and say "You're cute enough, but I can make you FABULOUS!" and kino away.

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There are female pick-up artists running around.

Personality, don't use caps. They make it look like you're yelling; an unattractive feature.

If you figure she's a pick-up artist, feel free to close her, enjoy her company, and even pick her up as an MLTR. If you're uncomfortable going for a relationship, don't. But do not let her skills on the field discourage you from going after her.

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What you're looking for is what I call an approach point. If she's looking at clothes, angle yourself in her direction, and try and find out where she's open to approach, the point at which she is facing away from the clothes the most. If it's directly at the side, consider going to the opposite side of the rack at a 45 degree angle. If there is an obvious approach point, make yourself occupied with something near that approach point with your back to her. When you're set up, and you've looked at a few pieces of clothing, turn over your shoulder and give her your opener. Only turn towards her when she turns towards you; if you turn around right away, it projects too much interest. Make her earn your conversation.

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It's a good idea to keep practicing. Every night I go out, I run two or three sets before I'm really into it. So next time you're out, practice on your first two sets, and hit your third set for real. Pull out all the stops and see how far you can push it.

If she blows you out, set number four is practice. Set number five is the real deal again. If you get blown out of five, change locations; if you've opened five sets in one place, you're probably beginning to piss people off. ^_^

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Some girls are naturals at finding the men they desire most; some just don't get it, and end up going out with men that are not what the girls really want. It seems strange sometimes, but it seems strange that there are men who don't understand social dynamics too. So yeah, it can be a difficult process to find a man that is, if not perfect, as close to perfect as can be found for you. Screening out the losers can be tough for some girls.

As for recruiting her to be my pivot, I already have a pivot, and she's lovely. She's busy all the time, which sort of sucks, but she's a good pick-up artist in her own right. If I take anyone else under my wing right now - male or female - it will be as my protege or my student, at least until they prove themselves capable.

As for what Jaxin's been up to in Privat Messages and e-mails, I'd actually be fairly interested in seeing it as well. I don't believe in net game, and Jaxin has been one of my biggest detractors on that point; I'd like to see his net game in action. ^_^ You can e-mail transcripts to friggert at hotmail dot com if you'd like.

XF: In the field of girl-game, I don't really think I need help at the moment. Mocha and I have a pretty good system down, and now I'm more looking at sharing that system with anyone interested. I would prefer that they be willing to come to Edmonton and learn from me in person. Like I said previously, I'm thinking about running a workshop, possibly multi-gendered, and I'm willing to cut women a deal on the fee if they're willing to show up and learn. Spread the word. Have your friend do the same. And if you (singular or plural) would like to come to the workshop, feel free to drop me a PM.

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Shaft and I typically run a short "introduction story." I think the most common one runs like:

Monkey: Hey, have you met Shaft?
HB: Um... No...
Monkey: This guy is fucking crazy. He's the only person I've ever met who sucked off a hundred guys in an hour. I was one of them.
HB: Um...
Shaft: Goes into his first routine on group.

I like your idea, though; wings telling DHV stories to the group adds a lot of social proof, showing that this isn't just some guy you met yesterday. May have to try it out myself.

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I had a smart-ass reply to this worked out, and then I realized that it doesn't really warrant smart-assery.

I honestly don't think it matters who the "best" pick up artist is. That's like asking who the best author is. There are so many different styles and schools of thought in pick-up that to put anyone on a scale seems inherently silly to me.

A better question would be: What can I do to make myself the best pick-up artist I can be?

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Well, I can honestly say I'm not handing in the badge just yet. I've been out of the scene for a while, sure, but that's mostly because Mocha and I are so bloody twitterpated on eachother right now. The relationship's open, so there's always the chance for hookups on both sides (exclusive relationships are a bloody, nasty, mean joke women play on AFCs...), but she's busy, and I'm busy, and until things calm down, going out to pick up more women than I absolutely need seems counterproductive. Y'know? Though it can be a lot of fun, dipping your wick in every hole that jiggles can be a lot of work too, and I just don't need it.

Shaft, one small piece of advice from an old guru: don't hang your spurs on a peg you can't reach. Just because she's perfect for you doesn't mean it'll last. Believe me when I tell you, I've been there, and I've done that, and it's all come crashing down around my ears. Keep your skills sharp, even if it is just opening the hired guns at Starbucks. You never know when they'll come in handy. Hell, these skills helped me get a great new job. Keep sharp, and remember your Four Rs.

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People think I'm gay when I'm not pretending. Painted fingernails and overusing the word "crazy" can do that to you. I don't do anything to make myself seem less gay; flamboyant people are fun to be around. Whether or not it's helping me get girls into bed, I can't say, but it is disarming and I've had some great party nights (during which I did not hook up) just because girls thought I was harmless. ^__^

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Well, phone game is sort of rough. You can run it like you would a normal sarge, but that comes off a bit odd when you're not in a party environment. I suggest either breaking out your best Juggler impression, or talking to her like you would your friends.

You: Hey, how's it going?
Her: Not bad... Who's this?
You: How's your cat?
Her: I don't have a...
You: My cat's all sick-ass. Don't know what's wrong with him. He's been throwing up and stuff. I think I should take him to the vet, but I'm not sure I can afford vet bills right now. And they'll want to neuter him. Cruel.
Her: Um... Who's this?
You: Huh? Oh, it's Ruffles. So what would YOU do? I mean, it's a cute cat, I don't want to see him all coned and stitched and stuff, and I don't think I can afford some three hundred dollars in vet bills, y'know?
Her: Blah blah blah.
You: Yeah, I guess that would work. Hey, when we meet up for New Years is there a wardrobe thing I should be aware of? I mean, I don't want to come dressed like Julio. Last time that happened, there was a fistfight.
Her: Um... Who is this?
You: Ruffles. So, dress code? Tuxedo-shirts ok? I haven't worn my tux-shirt in ages.

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Jesus H. Christ, people. Dates? Are you fucking insane?

1. You want her trust? Don't be a douche-bag. By the sounds of things, you're being a douche-bag, and that's the fastest, easiest way to getting your balls kicked to your throat.

2. If you are not interested in a relationship, do not offer one. It's mean. You'll break her poor little heart. And if you're not worried about breaking hearts, young man I have a news flash for you: girls talk to one another. It's ALL they do, is talk to one another, and if you fuck around on this girl and break her heart, every girl in the school will know about it in two days. SOI. Statements of Intent. Tell her exactly what you want with her, and do not deviate from that. If all you want is to fuck her brains out and never call her again, then she has a right to know that ahead of time.

3. The take-away, the freeze-out. These are classic fucking moves, guys. Go back and read The Game again. Read The Venusian Arts. Again. Memorize it. Make it yours. If you're already making out with her, you're in the good. You do not need to go on dates. You do not need to offer her a relationship. If you are making out with her, it means she is comfortable enough and trusts you enough that you can make a move for full close at any time. As long as you are in a place that is condusive to intimacy (your bedroom, her bedroom, whatever), you can freeze her out and turn her "No" into a "Please..."

So let's go over Freeze Outs one more time.

Things get hot and heavy. You reach under the shirt and get some under-the-bra action. You move to take off the bra and shirt. She says "No."

YOU STOP. You don't kiss her. You don't touch her. You just get up and get yourself a glass of water. You turn on the television. You do anything that does not involve making out with her. Then you wait. She will come back to you, and she will initiate. Or she will go home. If she goes home, you've lost your chance. Snakes on a plane. Go out the next day and open a new set.

You see, she was feeling good a moment ago, and now she's lost that good feeling. To get it back, she has to work for it. And that means you can push the boundaries just a little further.

You can try for the shirt again. This time, she will let you. If she doesn't, go back to freezing out. Get her to understand that saying "No," is a sure way to lose your attention, and she will stop saying "No." She wants to sleep with you as badly as you want to sleep with her. She just doesn't want to feel like a slut for doing it. So let her put up her defenses, and don't fight against them. Go AROUND them. Then she can tell her friend "One thing led to another" without feeling like a complete ho.

For Christ's sake people, go back to your assigned reading and learn something.

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If this only happens when you go out dancing, perhaps you should stop dancing with girls. I never dance. I look like a complete tool when dancing with other people (I'm a pop-locker; it doesn't exactly fit with the White Guy Shuffle-and-Bop that most girls are doing on the dance floor). Don't dance. When she goes out to dance, you move to another set (preferably a mixed set) and open them. If she comes back to you, you're in the good. If you re-open later, you're in the good. But if she keeps leaving every time you hit the dance floor, it's probably because you can't dance.

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Hi. As the resident expert on FPUAs (Mocha notwithstanding, as she seldom, if ever, posts), I think I can help a bit with the maintenance of MLTRs in regards to men.

The problem with a long-term relationship, particularly in regards to pick-up, is that most pick-up artists are using canned material, and once it runs out, we become very boring people indeed. If you can work past that point, and stay as interesting a person as you can, you'll have a better chance of keeping his attention than you would otherwise. For this, I suggest Juggler's material, particularly in relate-reward cycles. If you can keep a conversation going on emotional context, rather than the THINGS on which that context is built, you can have conversations in which both parties come out feeling fulfilled and yet intrigued. Open-ended statements and questions become very important, as you can never really finish responding to either, and a relation on emotional content means conversations can move in strange new directions as they go on.

Also, though it seems a bit shallow, be terrific in bed. Learn as much as you can about the wondrous arts of intercourse, felatio and manual stimulation, and you will find that men will be banging down your door for second-and-third dates. My skilled tongue (in both conversation and cunnilingus) is what keeps girls coming back, and I expect that to be doubly so for men.

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1. The Situational Opener
2. "How are you?"
3. "What is your favorite dinosaur?"
4. "If I were to give you a penguin, what would you name it?"
5. "Do you believe magic spells work?"
6. "Is it cool for a dude to wear make-up?"
7. "If you were a citrus fruit, which citrus fruit would you be?"
8. The "Hug" opener (dangerous...)
9. What do you think of THESE? (Thrusting my painted nails into a set)
10. "You wanna make out?"

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Every girl IS sargeable. But there's no such thing as a girl that is sargeable all the time. If a girl is cold, she's probably thinking about everything except you. And some strange guy walking up to her and talking to her is not going to make her feel any better about it.

It's never about you, man. The problem is hers, and I wish her all the luck in the world in dealing with it. She'll just have to deal with it without you.

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Her: I can't stand it when guys walk up to me and are all like "Hey, baby. How YOU doin'?"
You: (exaggerated) Hey baby. How YOU doin'?

Do everything she says she hates. Even ask her for tips. If she reacts with a "What the fuck?" just tell her you've always admired those men for their confidence. You could NEVER walk up to a pretty girl and hit on her. You'd at least have to have something interesting to say.

It's a variation on the "Oh my god! He's perfect for you!" Boyfriend Killer. Exaggerate the coolness of them, and let her know you aren't trying to impress her.

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Maybe it's an AFC thing to think, but I figure a girl listening to music on headphones probably doesn't want to talk to me. Or anyone, for that matter. And I'm cool with that. Beauty is, after all, common. I just move on to a girl willing to give me 100% of her attention. She's not worth talking to if she'd rather be doing something else.

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I have to completely disagree with Paetar on this one. The only correct answer to "Do you say that to all the girls?" Is "Yes." Then vacuum. Wait for her to fill the void. And when she does, change the subject.

Also, try to stay away from canned openers as rethreads if you can. Move to the stories behind the openers, or just ask the question outright. You're not an actor. These are not lines you must rehearse and practice. They are possible guidelines.

Hell, if you want some good practice at delivering a canned line, try it with a stutter. Not a horrible one, just enough that it's noticed. I tend to talk all over myself when I'm delivering canned material. I talk like a man with ADD.

Me: What's your favorite dinosaur?
Her: Um... Brontosaurus.
Me: Brontosauruses never existed. We should go to the zoo sometimes. Have you ever been to the Calgary zoo? It's got these big plastic dinosaurs that don't look even a little bit real.
Her: Um...
Me: If I were to give you a penguin, what would you name it? They used to have penguins at the Calgary zoo, too, but they had to move them because they couldn't maintain the habitats. I really like animals, even the extinct ones.

Act like a six-year-old kid with ADD, and she'll find you adorable. Adorable is only two steps of seperation from "dead sexy."

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This is one of the few times I'm going to say this, so Jaxin, you'd best enjoy it: I'm going to have to agree with Jaxin. The truth is always a better way to go than any line. "I'm sorry, but I don't think we should see eachother anymore," is one of the hardest things in the world to say, but if it's the truth, it has to be said. If she asks why, don't give her any crap lines. Just tell her you are looking for different things in a relationship.

It sucks, and it hurts people's feelings, but it's the truth and she'll respect you more for it than if you'd said "It's not you, baby. It's me..."

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As another Canadian on the boards, I have only this to say regarding travel abroad:

Be polite. Say please when you ask for something. Say thank you when you get it. Say thank you if you get something you didn't ask for. When you bump into someone, say "I'm sorry," and mean it. When someone bumps into you, say "I'm sorry," and mean it. Hold doors open for people, especially older people or those with disabilities. Be genuinely nice to everyone around you, and people will not see you as an American, they will see you as a nice person. Energy works when you're sarging; try to stay low-key when you're abroad. It's a different SPAM, like day game. You don't bring nightclub energy to a bookstore. You bring bookstore energy + 1.

And that goes for everyone, not just Americans. Canadians have been getting themselves a reputation lately for being rude and arrogant when we're abroad. That is because we ARE rude and arrogant when we're abroad. We seem to figure that, since everyone liked us after the second World War, everyone should still like us now. What has Canada done for Norway recently? Not a whole lot. When was the last time a Canadian died to liberate France? A long time ago.

No matter what country you are from, when you are travelling abroad try to be the best representative of your country you can be. You are not just there as yourself; everyone you speak to, everyone who notices the flag on your backpack, will associate your behavior with thier opinion of your nation of origin. So make sure you make a good impression. Eh?

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First and foremost, get off the canned material, especially on a second-meet. They like you well enough that they wanted to see you again, so you should let them see YOU instead of the lines you've learned.

That being said, there are ways that you can structure your conversation towards a seductive end. As always, open-ended statements and questions are the key to making any interaction work well. Remember your Four Rs: Register, Respond, Relate, Reward.

Register
Listen to what she is saying. Get out of your own head. Your head is not where you want to be. You WANT to be in her bed, so she is the most important thing in the world to you at that moment. Help her be interesting by being interested in what she's telling you.

Respond
If you do not understand something that she has said, or you think you could understand it more clearly, make sure you ask about it. Respond to what she has said with something relevant. If she's talking about her poodle, don't talk about scuba diving. Sure, both topics involve animals, but we're looking for one degree of seperation here. She talks about her poodle, you talk about your cats. She says something you don't know how to respond to, ask her to clarify. A sly smile and "I'm not really sure what you mean by that," is usually sufficient to get her to explain in more detail.

Relate
Women (and metro guys) relate to things on an emotional level. Guys tend to fixate on the THINGS, whereas women fixate on how those things make them FEEL. You want to escalate a conversation to the sexual, you have to make sure you're relating to her on an emotional level. To go back to the pets, if she's talking about giving her pet a bath, you can say something like "I love my

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cats because they have such distinct personalities. It makes me feel like I'm living with two little people." Then sit tight and be silent. She'll start telling you about the cuteness of Foofoo thinking she's people. All animals think they're people. Except my cats, who think I am a cat...

Reward
People are mammals. We react well to positive reinforcement. Don't believe me? Watch a six year old kid days after a temper tantrum gets him a chocolate bar. He'll throw another one, get another chocolate bar, and the cycle just gets worse. We never actually grow out of it, either. Escalation, then, comes through positive reinforcement. Kino is a form of positive reinforcement, but so is sitting down comfortably with someone. When she says something or does something that you find agreeable, let her know. Through your words or your actions, she should become aware that her behavior has pleased you. "You know, I really like people who love their animals as much as you. Let's go sit down in this dark corner," is a strong example of possitive reinforcement escalation. It is also a statement of interest.
Statements of Intent are also a possitive reinforcement tactic. By informing her, in no uncertain terms, that you plan on delivering a set of screaming orgasms by the end of the night, you are rewarding her for her behavior. That is why SOIs should only come directly after she has done something to please you. She needs to feel as though she's earned it. If it's too early in the game to threaten orgasms, just say something like "I'm going to do bad, bad naughty things to you later..." and change the subject.

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I haven't actually done a huge post on the Four Rs yet, and as I'm taking something of a break from pick-up it will probably be a while before I get around to finishing any of my big projects (the grooming and hygiene article is another on the back-burner).

So here's the basics. In order to build rapport with someone, you need to first be a good listener. Register what they are saying. Don't stay in your head, worried about what you're going to say next. It'll come naturally. Just listen and be genuinely interested in what the person is saying.

The next bit is that you respond to what they are saying with something topical. Ask a question related to the topic. Say something relevant, in the way of an open-ended statement that will allow them to talk about the topic more. This proves that you are listening and that you care about the conversation, and that you genuinely want to hear what the other person wants to say.

Relate to what they are saying on an EMOTIONAL level. Guys tend to relate to topics, girls relate to the emotions behind the topics. If she's talking about something scary, talk about something scary that happened to you, even if it has nothing to do with her topic. It's the emotion she'll relate to, and it's how we talk normally. We move from topic to topic fluidly based on the emotional context of what was said. "Hey, that just reminded me of this time..."

The last bit is a reward. Rewards are a short escalation, usually by way of SOI. If they're talking about something adventurous, and you find adventerous girls sexy, tell her so. "I find a sense of adventure really sexy." Boom. Reward. You can move it further than that, too. Move into something else right away, so that they can't respond to the compliment or disqualify themselves from it. Or attempt an isolation. "I find a sense of humor really sexy. Let's go sit down and you can tell me more jokes."

The key to all of this is very natural game. Don't worry about what comes next. Don't worry about your routines. Just know that you need to be an active part of the conversation by being a good listener, responding to something relevant to the topic, relating on an emotional level, and escalating based on that relation. It'll help smooth your game out and make you much more powerful in the field.

As for ejecting early, don't worry too much about it. If you still get approach anxiety (and I do), consider it a good practice run for later in the night. Otherwise, work on building your mid-game a piece at a time. Build some stories and a couple of decent routines, really work on your rethreads (they're a life-saver). Most importantly, have fun. ^__^

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In telling you to do so, they would not be entirely wrong. One-itis is a strange thing, and it can be difficult to work around. If you're out with her, and the two of you are having a good time, then it sounds to me like you still have a chacne.

Start with innocent kino. A touch on the arm, a touch on the leg, nothing serious. Escalate SLOWLY because she needs to get past the amount of trust she has for you in a different capacity. You need to take your time and make sure that you don't escalate out of the friendship zone too quickly; make sure she's comfortable.

SOIs are of incredible importance when changing your relationship with someone. Make certain she knows your intentions and that you're not fooling her into a kind of relationship she doesn't want. If you are polyamourous, let her know. If you're willing to go one-on-one girlfriend with this girl, then let her know that too. Before you can do that, you need to make sure she knows you think she is sexy. If you've read any of my posts, you'll know how, and when, I think SOIs are supposed to be delivered, but for the sake of brevity, let me surmise:

When she says something or does something she percieves as something that might impress you, tell her that the quality she's just displayed is something you value in a woman. Make sure you MEAN it. If you're just saying it to say it, she'll know. The typical script goes something like:

Rayovac: I find a sense of humor really sexy.

This is a relate/reward cycle. She says or does something with which you can relate, and you reward her for that through slight escalation.

Keep it up until you're at a point where you're comfortable going for the kis close. Kiss-close script is on the boards somewhere. If you think you can get away with it, you can. If you start wondering whether or not you should, you should.

Hope that helps.

And one word of warning: if you are attempting to change your relationship with this girl, understand that you may lose her entirely. She may react very negatively to this new side of you, and she may want to stop seeing you because of it. MAKE DAMN SURE that you tell her:

Rayovac: I don't like to put artificial restrictions on my relationships. But I promise we won't do anything unless you're comfortable with it.

And MEAN it.

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Ok, I'm sorry that it's taken so long for me to get to a reply on this, but I've had some computer troubles lately and I've been semi-retired from Game for the last month or so.

Any time you are involved with an extra-curricular activity, you will find that you have a connection with the women that are involved as well. You have a point of relation with them that you do not automatically have with women you meet in the clubs or out on the street. This point of relation can be a jumping-off point for seduction, or it can be a jumping-off point for friendship. It's honestly like that with EVERY point of relation, activity-centered or not.

What has to happen in order to bring this connection to a sensual place is much like what has to happen in any other seductive attempt. There has to be some sort of opener, whether related to fencing or otherwise. You have to be different from every other man in the room (in fact, if you can be different from every other man in her LIFE, you'll be in the good). Then you have to find ways of escalating your interaction towards a sensual place without pushing too fast or too far. I've made an abundance of posts on relate/reward and the Four Rs that will help you, and a couple on Kino that will also be of some benefit.

To ensure that you stay out of the Let's Just Be Friends zone, you need to make your intentions very clear. If she attempts to pull a LJBF line, reply with "I don't like to put artificial restraints on my relationships. We'll never go any further than you are absolutely comfortable with, but I would hate to see our relationship pigeon-holed like that." Or something similar. Let her know that you are will not accept a purely friendly role in her life. Then change the subject to something more fun to talk about. Like how many shapes you can twist your tongue into.

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Whoa ... :shock: I am kind of shocked that I read that all. Keep up the posting Monkey, respect. I agree with you on mixing styles of Juggler and Mystery. I think i'm reading too much now, and not performing. :roll: Thanks for making me feel like crap in a good motivational way :lol:


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Monkey, you have "made" your own method, and I remember seeing that you wanted to do some guruing. I'm currently working on the same thing, but I was thinking, do you think Mystery, or any other guru who has his own method would care if he found out that others are using their ideas in a compilation with others ideas to teach AFC's to become PUA's?

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Of course they would care. This is bidness, pardner.

If Eric and Wayne both stumbled across my method at once, the similarities would be noticeable almost immediately. My method, though, is different from both Mystery Method and Juggler Method. When you copy from one source, it is plagiarism. When you copy from many, it's research/inspiration.

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well I was going to post a "Best of Jaxin" kinda thing but you went way over.

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Will you be posting the best of your attempts to game Tickler? I hear those are a riot...

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Hi Monkey,

Thanks for this compilation post. You're a good man, Monkey. It's because of people like you that the community is strong. May we all equalize the playing field with the jocks and the rockers.


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Oh man, I have a lot to learn... excellent stuff.


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