So i open and I'm not getting bitch shield initially. My openings are natural(or at least I try and make them natural), meaning i don't really use canned material.

My opening is fine(IMO) it is up until a few words into the convo that the girl will actually activate her bitch shield and say Im an asshole.... happened twice on me last night with negs...I don't know if i'm negging too low of value girls(7 or lower) or if im dong somthing wrong with the girl and my body language?

help please if you have had this sticking point

Post some detailed examples of what you were doing when you failed - we can help you more that way.

I remember now, and I think I know where I went wrong. So I actually got into trouble with them twice. (four-set—5,5,6,7. Seven was the mother-hen oddly)

I first got into trouble when we were talking about where they were from. This is what I can remember from the conversation:

Me: where you guys from?

5: we're from the mountains...

Me: ohhh... so you guys are hillbillies(smiled to let them know I was teasing)

7: F*** you, blah blah blah

before she was done talking I did a freeze out and turned to some other guy I met while waiting to get in the club(this all happened in the queue). I Let 10 minutes go by and reopened the mother hen to apologized, micro-calibrated by asking for a cigarette right after.

I don't know why she went crazy on me in the above example, but the second and final time she went crazy on me was probably because I was condescending to the other girl.

Me: (I had said something in alliteration).... wow I just said an alliteration(ook over to the HB6 and say)... do you know what that is?(looked at them with a smirk)

7: M*****F***** thinks we're stupid, blah blah bah

Does this qualify as a neg or is it just plain rude? If I would have smiled would I have gotten away with it? Were these girls just weird? self-conscious?

Thanks in advance

second one makes you sound like a conceited jackass, especially considering your response to the first neg

Lol yea I guess I did sound a little douchey. Well I'm not trying that agian.

I did notice something interesting though. While the mother-hen was giving me 'tude, she was like get out of here and pushed my face. I turned around and grabbed both of her hands(to restrain her) and pulled her in close(close enough to kiss). She immediately got quite and I said "don't touch the face". I stared her down for a good 10 seconds. She looked up and down my face, almost looked like she wanted me to kiss her.

After reading ESP and S&A, I think some of those direct-game tactics manifested themselves inadvertently.

Erm... what's a hillbilly? I really don't know, so I can't reflect on that. The second one was just plain rude. But I don't even know why are you doing this. Seems like you haven't shown any value at all and just went in and started insulting them. What did you expect?

Second thing. Stop this rating shit. It's creepy...and counterproductive. Two types of girls man. 1) Hot enough 2) Not hot enough. That's all.

So I think what really went wrong is that you haven't given any value to the set at all. You haven't made them laugh...you haven't made them feel good. You just acted like a cocky ass.

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Hillbilly = People living in the country side and the typical farmers. Check Google images to see what i mean.

bro,

this happens to me sometimes in the field as well.... dont be discouraged, honestly just MOVE ON and open another set. If your talking to Hb63 and 7s why are u even there in the first place?!? lol... i mean when i go out im looking for HB9s+ maybe and 8... and i shoot for these girls for a few reasons...

1) they r hot... i want to fuck them... which is the whole goal of game isnt it?
2) they are not use to getting hit on with negs/PUA game... which makes u stand out and its easier to seduce them imo
3)Hb6s and HB7s are yes going to be bitchy and not react as well bc they dont understand your cocky funny... they just think your an ass... the hb8s+ will understand and look @ you as a challenge to them... not be put off right away.


GL,
Duke

Yea this really didn't faze me, just the first time I've gotten a reaction that bad. To be fair it was a warmup set and I did go on and number close a few other sets that night. I'm still learning and just like an other person on this forum, I want to learn from my mistakes. I appreciate all the input.

Im going to hijack my own thread here but using the example above, does anyone have good routines or pieces of advice to try and get her to lower her bitch shield?

Im really just interested in stuff that has actually worked for guys. When a girl is just going crazy cussing you out, calling you names... what do you do?

Well I have never had some girl cussing and swearing at me...so this is a challenge.

I would say deflate and redirect. Turn the insult to a compliment. "Where I come from that is a compliment and thank you......you are such a charmer I can see you make friends wherever you go."

Recognize that the hen is probably in BS mode and has bragged to the girls that she is going to blow out any fool that comes close ....so she is probably going to put on a show. Play along and and go ahead and put on a show = Redirect and deflate. If you can take on 5-6 of her insults I bet you would be at hook point with this crowd.

I know a few of these mother hen types and they like to blast men for entertainment so make it entertaining and deflate and brush off the insults if you want to stick around. Chances are her shield is limited and she will run out of material before you do if you are good. If you can last all attention is on you = right where you want it.