Like Brian Bond said, I'd also like an estimate on how many women actually maintain eye contact vs just looking away and how you can increase that.

I've been getting ready to test this; actually, before I even read this, I already had made a habit of making eye contact with every single attractive woman I see in my life and holding it until she looks away.

Most women immediately look away if they meet your eye contact. I'd say maybe 1 out of 20 women I make eye contact with will actually return it. I'd love to increase this so I can properly test out the opening poster's ideas. I wouldn't want the shy women who are interested, but just too shy to return my fierce eye contact to lose out on meeting me.

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I get it. Whts your take on just talking to a stranger by showing your interest first. even if she hasnt noticed you yet you spark that first IOI. Contrary to what guys believe, the fact that a guy has approached a girl in itself sets him apart, since most girls arent used to guys talking to them (nothing sensible)
Could you elaborate on sexual imprinting with some examples - This could be an interesting concept.


Good but is not the case always, is it? You could stand shoulder to shoulder talking with both bodies a little tilted inward, so the feet could be pointing not at the mate. - what are your thoughts?


In all Solid post and just want to get some thoughts since you seem to have studied the subject.

Theory goes that someone looks sideways as an 'ooops, I didn't meant to catch your eye'. Looking down protects the neck and as such is an admission of submission (and interest).

Effortless seduction doesn't exist

This post is as amazing as communism. Good on paper not in practice.

1. So you are going to only open women who seem interested in you and not women you are interested in. Thats going to do well for your inner game.

2. You read you dont lead. You cautiously try to see if the girl will buy before you escalate because you are afraid of her spreading the word?

Seems like a good post i agree with the basic of your technique but the method would not work well with the psychology of the person doing it. Its too centered on what you dont want to happen (rejection) vs what you want to happen which is what an alpha male focuses on. A woman will sense your fear, she will tear you apart.

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To respond to some of the Qs that have been asked. It seems like sarging started as a method of developing attraction. There are now quite a few approaches that just focus on not missing out on those girls who are already into you. This second approach is sufficient for many guys and will get you laid more than you can handle.

I will agree that it's less in the traditional mould of the PUA though.

I think, this is based on just the approach. Cuz Once you've been invited into the approach, you can escalate without objection either way.

And If you know you can do something without failure who the fuck would be scared lol.

That's the idea of this I think. Most guys are afraid of rejection. This way you won't be rejected, hence no fear, no being torn apart.

Lots of people, lots of interesting points, lots of interesting questions, and I'll hope that I can answer all of them.

First off, let me answer the criticism by FVCK. I am not a PUA, I've stated that often, and constantly. I created this system as to not miss opportunities when they are available. One of my most sexiest traits women have told me is that I am a Man On the Move. I believe this alone has led to a lot of success. I am a busy person, I have a full calendar of events and me time, I welcome and allow a woman to join me to one of the events that I am going to. But no matter what, it's always something I am doing anyways. I don't need a date to go. And I tell them to bring their own car, because I am staying for as long as I want to stay, and leaving when I get bored. I always buy an extra ticket for an event, just in case I meet a pretty girl and she's free that night. If not, I'm taking one of my many friends to some event. This is not an AFC move, this is what I do as a man. And the women I've found with this method have responded hugely positive to these things.

Also, I never sleep with a woman simply because she is interested in me, nor do I approach, they must have something within them that I find interesting and attractive. And then they must be equally interesting as a person.

Second, let me say that what I wrote is the basics of what I do, it's a method broken down to it's simplest forms, a starting ground, and a functional one for people to look for and use if they need something to get themselves started.

So let's start with how you get eye contact and how you get it to stay. Make your presence known, talk to people, talk in a loud clear voice that can be heard, laugh loudly (not stupid loud) but when you see or hear something funny don't be afraid to laugh. Find places where people are sitting, find someone you think is interesting, and try and capture their eyes in yours. Now, here's the technique to get them to look longer and elicit responses from them quickly, already have the smile on your face, already be a happy person. Whenever I'm going out, I place my mind in a happy state, "Today is a wonderful day and it is only going to get better, I may meet interesting people, I may have find something interesting, I may see something interesting, I'll walk with eyes open, head up, and ready for the possibilities that this day will offer." It sounds corny, but, it works to create in me that perfect state. Women say to me, "You're very cheery, you just have this interesting energy about you." And how much does this effect things. I've been depressed for most of this week, I've gone out only to not have myself locked away in my place, and I got almost no eye contact from anyone.

You can call it hocus pocus, you can call it bullshit, i don't give a shit. People have mirror neurons in their brain, and they respond to the world around them. So if you're going out and your worried and self-conscious, or in your head trying to think of what you'll do next, when you're looking someone in the eyes all these things come to forefront. If you're lusting after them, some women will be turned on by it, but a lot will be turned off. You need to get yourself in a state of mind and body that projects sincere interest, happiness, and I guarantee you women will return that eye contact, and don't be afraid to talk to people you're not interested in. I talk to 80 year old women who are looking for books for their grandchildren, i talk with balding men who are looking for a good thriller, I talk to guys about what they ordered at a cafe if it looks interesting and I haven't had it before, I'll talk to store clerks, I'll talk to Kiosk workers, I'll talk and listen to anyone. I make my presence known. Wherever I am, I'm a person to be remembered.

Also, the flashing of eyebrows triggers unconscious responses in men and women, a recognition structure, it automatically creates that feeling, just think back to when you said you'd meet a friend somewhere, and you see the friend, you furrow your brow, smile, wave, and call them over. This is a natural thing everywhere except in Asian cultures where the raising of the eyebrows is seen as a sexual thing.

I hope that responds to how to get more eye contact from people.

Marc asked about approaching women who don't show interest, or who haven't looked you in the eye. There's no problem with that. The moment you walk up to her and say something, make the eye contact, smile, and start talking--if she doesn't maintain the eye contact or smile back, you may want to hurry up to your name, introduce yourself, touch her upper arm, and flash the eyebrows. If you're still not getting responses back, I'd call it a day.

In mentalism terms, it's called a force. The IOI Openers that I listed off, are exactly that, for opening. For the incredibly shy they can work on their inner self, and go after people that show initial interest in them, and wait for that. For the more sociall adept, they can search out the eye contact as they go up to say hi, and then use the smile, and the brow furrowing, to elicit a better state in someone, and see if they can get more IOI's.

Also, someone made a great point, that when a person's eye's look at you and then look down and away, it is a submissive act, and you may want to use the force technique, walking up, saying hi, keeping that eye contact, and smiling, and furrowing the brow.

The next question Marc had was on Sexual Imprinting. Sexual Imprinting has its routes in biology and animal husbandry, Psychologist John Money, whose work on psychosexual developments is lacking when related to gender identity, his suggestions on attraction have been tested with many finding agreement. Sexual imprinting suggest that we learn from our environment what we find attractive. This is why a woman who is adopted at a young age will likely have a mate that looks like her adopted father, instead of her biological one, a male will have one that looks like his mother (micro-facial features, not exactly like the parent, but bone structure wise). Now, several psychologist have sought to explain why a person can be attracted to one person more than they are too another. Why are some men turned on by blondes and off by brunettes, why do some women like a certain kind of man while others like another. Sexual imprinting suggest that as we grow up we learn traits, physical and mental, to look for in mates when we grow up. There's also a large lean to sexual needs.

This is why you'll see massive diversity in appearance with women in an S&M community. Beautiful young women will be with fat old men, because the fat old men provide for them the sexual need that others won't or can't fulfill.

John Money suggested that in his belief a person need only meet one or two traits or possibly dozens to be put as a possible candidate for sex with a woman--same for a man. This would support the idea that Attraction is Not A Choice.

This also explains the exposure effect. A person seen more often by someone is thought to be more attractive. The more anyone sees another person, the more they're able to identify traits they find to be attractive.

This is also why sociopaths and conmen are so good at picking up women, they search for targets who they can offer certain traits and values to, which in the end is all it takes to seduce someone. A person will do anything you want if you can find out what they value and give it to them.

Now onto the feet. The feet are where the heart is, is something I look for when I initially start talking. What else to look for, is if their feet are in a locked position, any position for which it would not be easy for them to get up and walk away. Pretty much, the thing to remember with the feet is. "If the feet are pointing to the door you're a bore."

I hope this is helpful, good luck, have fun.

Good Post and replies.

A white woman getting attracted to an Asian man while never been exposed to this culture before? Is it the traits that she looks for or also the way a person looks? - know the answer from experience but would like to know how does Sexual Imprinting explain this.

Its often said that a woman looks for someone like her father in a husband and a Man looks for someone like his mother in a wife. - then how Sexual imprinting would justify the attraction between people of different ethnicity who have had limited or no exposure to that of each others.

Also keep posting your learnings and experiences - you are making this interesting. BTw...excellent frame of mind, you seem to have your head on your shoulders and the right attitude - never let that fade. I can see you being successful with people in all walks of life

No. There will always be rejection, there will always be objections unless your trying to pick up a toaster.



Raiden you say you are not PUA but you teach the same kind of "effortless" type of mindset. In clubs rejection doesnt even matter so why worry about it, you can get shot down so bad no one give a flying fvck unless you over analyze things tO this degree so that instead of gettng back up like a man and approaching again, you go to your corner and anlyse what possible "signals" you could have possibly misread.

What i dont like about this post is it reels some vulnerable newbie in thinking there is a way to get better with women without having to endure through all the learning.

You definitely sound like a salesman. You reel people in with a catchy deal, excite them, let them dream about the great things they could do easily if they have what you had. Then tell them that oh there is a minor problem.

Before you know it you are selling us nother FVCKING ebook.

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Lol. I believe it can still be extra effective for newbies, as a short term thing.

As long as they believe they won't be rejected, then their confidence goes threw the roof, they don't get torn apart by women, and thus improving their chances.

Also, if the newbie thinks she's already attracted he has the confidence to relentlessly escalate. "Oh she's totally into me, I'm gonna put my arm around her", "Oh, she wants me, I'm just gonna go for the kiss" , blah blah blah.

But the general concept is to sell to the ones who are wanting to buy.

So for newbies looking for a quick magic pill, they aren't going to find it. And yeah, I think the newbies need to understand rejection isn't the end of the world, and to actually let go of their fragile egos and all that inner game stuff.

I get the idea that this technique you use is only appliable when the girl looks at you.

Well, to my experience, girls don't look very often at you.
And it doesn't happen a lot that girls look at you for 2 seconds and then smile.
Girls usualy look very subtle to you and then flick their hair if they are interested.
When being in a venue like a bar, with more (attractive) guys, maybe 1 in 15 girls give me a quick glance that I notice (clubs are dark and often you don't notice everyone).

My point: if you wait for good eye contact to happen, then you might go for months without a close.

Let me get logistics here:
1 on 15 girls give you a quick glance or even give you eye contact you notice
3 for 5 girls looking at you are not attractive enough or not good looking.
2 on 5 attractive girls who are looking at you are the ones you open.
2 on 5 girls you open are boring to you.
2 on 5 girls you open are not interested enough in you or the conversation or seduction phase doesn't go well.
1 on 5 girls you open is interested enough in you and is interesting for you
4 on 5 of these girls you open end up in a close, whatever number, kiss, or fuck close.


Now this is just an estimation. But you see the point? You might take the least risk, but you'll be on a dry period for a long time.


Sometimes you just got to take risks and open girls directly, even if you haven't seen them looking at you. If you just stay confident and have this good vibe, people will notice that and more girls will look at you and show interest. It's exponential.

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I don't have dry periods because I don't have one night stands, like I said, most women I sleep with I stay in touch with. Not a PUA, not here to pick-up new women every night, just looking for people who are attractive and attracted, who will enjoy my open lifestyle. And I'm not here to sell ebooks on seduction. I do have one about to come out for weight loss however, but that's a different story for a different board.

Now then I've never had problem getting eye contact with women, and you don't wait for them to smile, you smile at them and see if they reciprocate, you flash your eyebrows and see if they respond. Now also, like I said, you can use this for an approach method, you can do this with a quick glance. you can do this in the middle of saying hello. The moment you walk up to approach her, eye contact, smile, flash of eyebrows, all while speaking. If you don't get a response back from that, I'd suggest she's not interested in you. Also, you can always add a touch on the forearm.

I didn't say wait for her to look at you, I said get eye contact. Make your presence known, so that people look your way, and when you get that eye contact, smile, flash the brows. It's simple, it's quick, it's done in two seconds, and if she turns away from you, or shows no emotional reaction, I say go on to someone else, if she smiles and looks away, approach, if she smiles and looks at you, approach, if she smiles and you looks you down and up DEFINITELY APPROACH. My style is what I do. I'm not trying to sleep with 300 women in my life. I'm trying to find a set of women that I want to enjoy life with. I'm a big man with a big appetite.

It is impossible to detail every little addition, possibility, and variance, without writing a book, and I'm not into writing literature on attraction, I'm just here to write what works for me.

Not really understanding the criticism:

1. Eye contact. Smile.
2. Eyebrow raise, watch for copycat.
3. She checks your bod.

Blah, blah, blah . .

4. Get number and scram or stick around, kino and escalate.

^This flowchart is no different from ANY other pick up method out there. How many of you open without making eye contact? I am really curious to read what the hell you guys are staring at when you open. And how many of you do not either consciously or unconsciously look for ioi's? All Raiden did was simply explain these actions through a few social psychology concepts.

I especially like the idea of focusing on the eye contact and following through with a few more non-verbal interactions prior to opening your mouth. It flows nicely with this concept:

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