I'm always looking for a challenge so I only want to approach the girls I think are cute. Where I live there's a cute girl who is alone about once every 20 minutes and that's to long to walk around and wait because by then I'd be in spectator mode. This is during the day at the mall or super market by the way. Anyway When I see a hot girl she's always with 1 to 5 other girls, and today I seen about 3/4ths of them with their mom's. I'm already devalued because she's really good looking and I'm just one average guy doing a random cold approach, so how do I hold their attention and talk to them if they are with there friends or mom?

open her mom lol

ive done it a bunch of times... it really depends on ur confidence level and ur ability to be cocky funny and a good a talker... sometimes id ask a question like excuse me ..do u guys know where the bank is? or where (insert high end stores name) is? and then after they answer w.e they answer id take one step as if im about to walk away.. turn around and say this is probably gonna sound really crazy but are u guys ,, sisters? they always laugh espacially the mom.. espacially if shes young and good looking.. and u can just take it from there.. with seriuously i wasnt sure.. etc etc its worked for me in the past.. tell me what u think

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You don`t.
From my experience, it comes off creepy. And you have to remember, mother is there to protect her.. And as for the target, she will find it creepy too bcs you fucking approached her when she is with her mother. But it really depends on what the mother and she are like.. This approach can go terribly wrong and in the same time it can be a big success.. So.. You`re on your own, but I wouldn`t do it.

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lolol

maybe say 'I was just talking with my friend today about family arguments.. and i just wandered .. do you two SISTERS argue much'?

mom will love and its a bit of neg for the daughter..

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I'm sure I answered this question a while ago...

But, if you really want to do it, try this:

By the way, don't go indirect with this kind of approach. If you
really want to be percieved as genuine then go direct with this,
it's the only way.

You see the mom and daughter and you approach an open the mother first.
By approaching the mother first you show the mother that you're not
attracted to her daughter, yet, and that you have no intention of
taking her away, yet, (cause the mother is obviously there
to protect her daughter) and by speaking to her first
you're not only showing her the sense of respect,
but if you do well you can get in good books
with her later on in future interactions...

You then follow this...

Me:- Hey guys, i'm sorry to bother you...(look at the mother and
take a quick glance at the daughter and then back to the mother)

Mom:- Yes...

Me:- I've got to meet up with my friends at (name coffee shop
in the area...if you tell them that you have somewhere else to
be you lay down a time constraint, it will show them that
you have a social life and friends in the area. You're
also eliminating any possible thoughts from them
that you're trying to pick them up. Also, by
approaching the mom first you're not
only showing politeness, respect and
curtiousy...but if you do well with
the parent you can get into her
good books early so if you
meet up with her daughter
or even head over to the house
sometime later after the interaction in the
future, she will know she can trust you and her
daughter can trust you too

ANYWAY...

Me:-I've got to meet up with my friends at (coffee shop)
in a minute so I can only stay for a minute...but I just
saw you guys walking past and I must tell you, that
you guys looks really cute together

You've now made indirect comments to both of them at
the same time. You've complimented them both on
their apprearences but you're not letting them
know which one you like more. But at this
point the daughter will be thinking..."Why
is he talking to that old thing and not me??
I WANT ATTENTION!"

Mom:- Why thank you

Me:- You won't actually believe this but my
one friend Jessica, dragged me to an FTV
conference last week on Sandton square
and so now wherever I go I kinda
see fashion in a different light!

By throwing in the FTV remark, you're letting the two
know that you're a little cultured and take interest
in womens fashion

Mom:- Don't worry about it! My daughter Hanna is
actually going to be studying Fashion next year

The mother introduces her daughter, IOI,
so far the interaction is going very well

Me:- Awesome! Hey you know what, there is
another FTV conference next week at Eastgate
central, you guys should totally come! What's the
best way of keeping in touch? "

You've now invited them out to a fashion show
an you've indirectly asked for their contact details
to show them you're not trying to pick them up,
but your actually NETWORKING and making
friends! It totally comes under the radar.
It's better than saying "Yo, give me you and
your daughters number." I don't think that would happen
like that would happen but with indirect you never know

Mom:- I'm facebook, but here's my email address. You can
BBM us if you like

The mother is now giving off IOI's cause you're just
picked HER up and left out the daughter cause you
didn't want to express your interest for her during
the approach. This will come in handy later.

You have now setup a date with the mom and girl
and kept expect a pretty interesting evening.

Also, if you want to seem pretty cultured
or decide to compliment and move into
a specific justification on the topic
of fashion sense, it's a good idea
to actually read some fashion
magazines and get to know
the latest trends so the
approach will seem more
genuine and congruent

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If it is day time:

• Go direct but not too strong. Make sure you look at the mom while you do this...
  Ex. "I find your daughter very attractive and would love to get to know her better at a more appropriate time"
  Make sure you qualify towards the mom before you actually tell her that her daughter is hot
  Ex. "I go college..I am an entrepreneur...etc"

If it is night game:

• If you ever see a daughter with her mom at a night club (at least in my town)
  Go HAM (hard as a mother fucker)
  The mom is most likely an alcoholic who is too old to be in the club, and would love for any somewhat rich/good looking guy to bang her daughter
  Shit, last time this happen the mom was encouraging my friend to fuck her daughter
  Keep in my I live in south carolina, where rednecks rule the land

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I number closed a girl with her mom once. I really had no intention of it, just pure coincidence.

This was at a sushi restaurant where a friend of mine and I sat at a table next to a sicilian girl and her mom.
The tables were really close so we were not 2 feet away from them.
About halfway through the dinner it almost seemed awkward not to talk to them since we were so close to each other we could hear each others conversations.

I look at the mom (sitting diagonally across from me while the daughter was sitting next to me)

Me- I'm sorry to interrupt, It's my first time at this restaurant. What specialty would you recommend?

Mom- Oh, well we love the *blah blah*

Me- Ah, so I guess we'll get *not blah blah* (smile)

Mom- (Laughing) My name is *x* and this is my daughter *y*
(IOI: Daughter intro and and conversation engagement)

Me- Ah, it's a pleasure to meet you, I'm Stylite and this is *friend*, are you guys regulars here? It seems like a great place!

Mom- Yeah, every Monday night *blah blah blah*


eventually the conversations goes into what we do so I mentioned school and music production. The mom talks about how her daughter is going to school FOR music production (qualifying her daughter?) so then her shy daughter gets into the conversation and we just sit there and shoot the shit all night.

The daughter asks for my business card so we could keep in touch. I never followed through. She wasn't my type and lived too far away anyway.


Moral of the story, as everyone agrees, immediately try and win over the mother without "paying attention" to the daughter. If you can charm the mom, she'll practically throw you at her daughter.

- Stylite

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Stylite thanks for just re-iterating my point !

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This is fundamentally the same as any other two set except anticipate that the mom can and will turn into the cockblock from hell. If you think the girl is worth then sure, go for it. But when I'm out gaming I'm thinking what is the EASIEST set with the highest return to open? (hottest girl + most convenient logistics).

See the thing is that you could spend an hour gaming the girl.. disarming the mother. OR you could approach that hot girl that just passed you which is totally DTF and doesn't have her mother in tow.

It's a matter of how much effort you're willing to put in for no guaranteed return, especially if she comes bundled with her boyfriend, mother, mother hen girlfriends.

There are easier ways of doing things.

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It will depend to a very large extent on what the mother is like. In my mind there are three (possibly four) options:

(a) she could be a rabidly protective land hag from hell who will shoot down your attempts no matter how good they are

(b) she could love the idea of guys being attracted to her daughter and actually encourage your attempts, even if they do not go fully to plan (remember, mothers were once young too)

(c) she could go either way depending on your approach and her personal likes/dislikes

(d) if the mother takes a liking to you but doesn't particularly like the guys her daughter is currently seeing, she will facilitate and encourage your approach

A previous poster mentioned opening in a restaurant. A while back I was sitting across from a mother and daughter at a tapas bar - the daughter was eye-fucking their waiter and telling her mother how gorgeous he was. Her mother was encouraging her to ask him out. It was easy to start a conversation with them and when the daughter learned the waiter was several years younger than her, she turned her attention to me with IOIs (I was dining with my partner at the time however so nothing happened there) They had shared a bottle of champagne so that may have also had something to with it, although the mother was responsible for most of the consumption.