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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:12 am 
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Do you know what is interesting, one of the greatest pua in the world is a writer; Neil Strauss.

I will definitely try this exercise.


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A spoon

the spoon shines in the light and its shape is very odd. Why is a spoon so odd. Yo eat and drink with a spoon. Kids love the spoon because they eat a lot of cereal. It is silver and years ago people did not have spoons , how did they eat, with their hands. People now are very creative like this paper I am typing. Its shape is weird, really weird Almost alien shaped. If an alien came to our planet we would be the alien. We have created many tools and what is interesting is the technology we have developed. I like the spoon it reminds me the mind is a powerful thing, without it we are animals. The inner part of a spoon is like a cave going down, like a hole you might say. What if you were on the edge and jumped from the edge of the spoon , you will slide all the way in to the center and no way to get back up. I saw a commercial one time were a spoon was walking don't ask me how, it has no legs but it was walking this might be just my imagination going wild. Speaking of wild what if you went to the jungle and only had a spoon, that tool is useless, someone needs to develop a tool that can do everything. Even brush your hair and repel mosquito's. Imagine that. It would be insane am I insane no , just crazy sometimes. back to the spoon, it is cool, cool like ice because its shiny. This makes no sense but whatever.

Is this free fall writing? if it is I like it, I laughed to myself when I read it.

I don't know if I was lacking focus though.

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-Spoons are used for eating liquid meals such as soup.
-Spoons, they guide people, in search for freedom trough digging- these people are often called , prisoners.
-A Spoon and lips, one to rule them all. By mentioning so, spoons may be the oldest living Casanovas in the world
-You may find yourself successful with woman by reaching more lips than your own spoon.
-Spoons are quite simple mental objects used to discuss emotional problems and being the no.1 topic on this forum thanks to Kasabi's brilliant idea.

-Spoons, the beauty is in viewers eyes-


Sigh, if you tell me this is good...well i would be happy, but i also must add that while writing this i thought a lot , and deleted a lot sentences.
Usually my humor is expressed trough sarcasm, for which i can thank to my family.
My goal was to entertain you, but i ended up entertaining myself a bit. So what can you tell me, what can i make better? Improve? Or terminate in my approach...since when it comes to fast thinking i am not so fast >< (fast in saying stupid things yes, but not in clever ones...)


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^ no you did fine IMO...

once you start worrying or wondering if what you are talking about is interesting or entertaining the other person, you've lost it.

then there becomes the subtle underlying vibe where you are seeking approval and it shows up in the sub communications. once you learn to "not give a ****" is when you start to win

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This should DEFINITELY be stickied in mid game section. So many new topics about how to keep conversations going in that forum. Something like this is what needs to be in there


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Kasabi and Sharplin(you too, since you have studied the subject), kindly please judge my writing and provide insights and feedback from the way I write.

I would so like to constantly be an active learner and put myself to test inorder to improve.

Thanks in advance, Marc

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"He picked up the letter and opened it, afraid of what he would see..."
He picked up the letter and opened it, afraid of what he would see! The fear of the unknown made his hand tremble and shake. He looked around to see whether anyone was watching him. He no longer trusted anybody in the neighborhood and this letter could be from anyone trying joke with him. "Is it prank? is it for real ?" lots of thoughts came to his mind as he kept staring at letter. He kept the letter, on his coffee table and sat right next to it staring at it while sipping on his coffee. Should he or shouldn’t he read it? Will this letter change his life forever? Will it make his dreams come true? The thoughts and doubts ran through his mind as wildly as a deer runs on spotting a predator.

One letter, just one letter had put his entire life on a hold. A plain white paper, sealed in a blue envelop with his name on it had the power to shake a 6 feet tall man in such intense fear that no other person could have ever caused. He was a boxer, an athlete, a fighter who was trained to overcome fear and pain. He was conditioned to beat and be beaten by beasts in the ring. Yet a white paper in a blue envelop had paralyzed the man in fear.

An hour had passed by and he was still holding the letter in his hand. Trying to draw courage to open it. “How bad could the news be” he thought ! “How bad could anything be! ” “My life wouldn’t end if it doesn’t happen!”. The pep talk had been going on for a while now. He didn’t know whether he should call a friend over or should he take the letter to his family and open it in their presence. he wanted to share the news with his loved ones and wanted there support incase the letter disappoints him.

With some more thought he picked up the letter and drove down to his parents house. He called his brothers, sisters and close friends on the way to his parents. As they all arrived in the next hour, he placed the letter on the centre table infront of everyone. This letter had the news that everyone was waiting for a long time. He could see the anticipation on everyones faces. The glances of courage from his brother, the reassurance smile from his father, the supportive pat on the back from his friends, the encouraging look from his beloveds. He thought to himself, “what have I got to lose! This letter, this little white paper cannot break me down. It has already united the whole family”

He looked around him and he way happy that a single letter, one small letter could bring everyone together under the same roof. He looked at the support he had in his family and friends and he that reassured him that this letter would bring nothing but good news. With that last thought he opened the letter slowly and steadily.

First the little strip on the envelop came out. Then the letter slowly slipped out.
Holding it in both hands he slowly opened the letter no longer afraid of what he would see. He became indifferent of the outcome and no longer afraid of the unknown. And then he started reading – “Dear Marc Swezkinoz, Congratulations ! We’d like to inform you that you’ve been invited to the White House on 4th of July to receive a recognition award from the President of United States for your contribution in the field of Sports “.


Last edited by Marc on Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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This took 22 mins and so I cut it off in the middle. But Would like to present another write up so that the true style becomes more evident.

Kasabi and Sharplin.Appreciate the feedback in advance.

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"He polished off his car and got in, turning the ignition..."
He polished off his car and got in, turning the ignition on just sitting there listing to the sweet sound of the engine. The sound of the engine was music to his ears. “Wow” – one word, thats all he could say ! As he pulled the car out of his driveway he had a sense of pride and a smile of a man who had just own a lottery! He drived slowly through his neighborhood wanting to get noticed by his neighbors. On seeing a familiar face he stopped and waved at them wanting to make short conversations, an attempt to show off his newly polished car.

He took to freeway to work today and drove slower than usual, in no hurry to reach the destination but simply to enjoy the drive. He made sure to adjust his speed so that the driver of cars next to him would notice his car from their windows. Today he even cared to slow down at the yellow lights inorder to stand next to fellow drivers at the stoplights. He nodded at them with a smile, and a smile back from them gave him the reassurance that he had done a great job with the polish on his car. That he was as accomplished as anyone else on the road today. “This is childish” – he thought for a second. But hey, he had worked hard on it all weekend and he wanted to enjoy is moment of pride. He felt like a 7 yr old showing off his new bike to friends in the park. This was his moment to relive some old memories of his childhood. “Boys will be boys” he thought to himself again – fully aware of his juvenile exhibition, yet enjoying HIS few seconds of fame on the road amongst a bunch of strangers who he might never run into again !

The car shined on the road like gold would in bright sun. His car could be spotted from miles away. It truly stood out in the fleet of cars on the road tearing through the traffic of his crowded city. As he slowing and carefully took the exit and then the turn to his office he knew he was noticed today. He knew he was the envy of a lot of people on the road. He pulled his car into the parking space, turned the ignition off, looked at himself in the mirror and smiled – “You’re the Man” he said to himself!


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This could be another way of writing.
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"He polished off his car and got in, turning the ignition..."

He polished off his car and got in, turning the ignition he stepped out of his car to marvel at the sound and polish that made his car glow. The polish made his bright blue car shine and look new. The polish was not expensive and neither was his car but the shine made it look priceless. He inspected the car to look for any spots he must have missed. Its amazing how a little polish could make something look new and appealing. His hours of labor had paid off, the car would stand out for sure. It made him realize that as men we too should be taking good care of ourselves - Polish our diction, keep ourselves spic and span, and live a clean healthy life – how appealing would that be !

The polish was generic, nothing compared to the big brands. But it did the job, his task was accomplished. Do brand names really make a difference? – A thought! Shouldn’t that hold true for anything one buys – brand v/s generic ? – another thought ! The car doesn’t know what polish is applied to it and neither would those looking at it.

The polish had a brown cover on it and it said, made in China. Doesnt everything in the US have a ‘Made in China’ tag on it! Can’t we in the US manufacture anything cheap ? Or is the world becoming more seamless and businesses more Global.

The polish rubbed on the car smooth and effortlessly. It was so easy to apply and use. The instructions on the cover were clear and the step by step procedure left no room for error. It advises users to apply the polish once every 3 months. Now for a look like this and he could definitely afford to apply this polish every 3 months.


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^ no you did fine IMO...

once you start worrying or wondering if what you are talking about is interesting or entertaining the other person, you've lost it.

then there becomes the subtle underlying vibe where you are seeking approval and it shows up in the sub communications. once you learn to "not give a ****" is when you start to win

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No need to worry over it but if you're not catering the communication process for another person, why bother opening your mouth? Just stay at home and talk with yourself. There are plenty people who don't give a rat's ass. They're called retards and losers. Go ahead and name any 'winner' who communicates with others without caring about what they think. If you don't care, best to keep your mouth shut.


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Not bad.

You're not trying to create a polished piece that you'll eventually publish to a magazine. So avoid this:
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i also must add that while writing this i thought a lot , and deleted a lot sentences.
Writing is a process. . . let it go and allow the the process to unfold. Don't be afraid to make 'mistakes'. For now, don't even worry about typos or grammar. Just write, write, write. Just keep your fingers moving. You'll face redundancy:
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-Spoons are used for eating liquid meals such as soup.
You'll face movie cliche's:
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-Spoons, they guide people, in search for freedom trough digging- these people are often called , prisoners.
You might go off topic:
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-A Spoon and lips, one to rule them all. By mentioning so, spoons may be the oldest living Casanovas in the world
And even more cliche's that has nothing to do with spoons:
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-Spoons, the beauty is in viewers eyes-
^This is all fine. . . but you stopped writing. Keep it going . . . this is just the beginning. If you want to give this a shot, I'd recommend that you actually take a spoon out, look at it, and develop a relationship with it. Write about YOUR SPOON that is on the table in front of you. Everything you wrote above is from memorized fairy tales.


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I also noticed when your a conversationalist you control it and direct it to what you want at your will its a really empowering feeling.


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Marc,

You've obviously got the 'freewriting' part of the exercise down. Are you asking revision suggestions?


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Marc,

You've obviously got the 'freewriting' part of the exercise down. Are you asking revision suggestions?
Hmm... not really. Just wanted to check whether I got it or not And also whether there are certain gaps in the way that I think (abstract v/s factual) that could be spotted and advised for improvement. But if there aren't then we can move on.

Also please kindly suggest if there are other such exercises


People argue - "you dont know me" blah blah.. Thats not true - with the way that someone write, clothes they wear, the way they walk, interact, look around, react - they are always communicating about themselves - People are always SPAM hints about themselves.


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Hmm... not really. Just wanted to check whether I got it or not And also whether there are certain gaps in the way that I think (abstract v/s factual) that could be spotted and advised for improvement. But if there aren't then we can move on.
Your Rhythm: It's monotonous. By this, I mean you write (and probably converse) by skimming over each topic at the same pace. When you do this, no specific topic is allowed to shine. Don't be afraid to take one topic matter and dive right into it.
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The polish made his bright blue car shine and look new. The polish was not expensive and neither was his car but the shine made it look priceless.
^Here, you could have slowed it down and described HOW he made a cheap car look 'priceless'. Show us the motions he used . . . tell us about the various rags and sponges. Tell us how he "wrapped a cotton cloth around his index finger in order to apply polish into the narrow forward grill of the car, painstakingly swirling the paste to every crevice his finger could reach . . ."

And what does 'priceless' in this instance mean? "Priceless" can be used to describe a thousand other things in thousands of other situations. On the other hand, if you were to actually describe the situation, the readers could tell themselves, "Wow, that's priceless."

Show, instead of tell.

Better to provide a rich description of ONE thing, rather than skimming over 10 different topics.


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Kasabi, on the 3rd page of the thread you said in one post

"1. Focus more (on your OBJECT)
2. Wander less (which basically means 'focus more')"

I did read the rest of the response but I think a lot of my conversations are TOO focussed. If I know exactly what I'm talking about, I am fine at it. But I tend to have a habit of not being able to progress from one thread to another. So surely losing some of the focus and wandering more is not a bad thing necessarily?


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