I'm going by Einstien78, it's more of an oxymoron than a descriptive. You know like when a friend does something stupid you say “Way to go Einstein!” that’s me.
Well I guess I started off on the wrong foot. I decided to try and absorb as much information as possible on theory before getting started in the field. That’s seems to have backfired now as I know exactly what to do and what advice you all would give, but my Approach Anxiety gets the best of me and my words seem to get lost and confused just before I try to open.
I am not as much a fan of the direct game unless the situation calls for it. I would prefer to use what Style called “Solid game”. The issue is that I have been studying things from about 5 years ago and from what I read in these forums, things like opinion openers are pretty much played out.

Maybe that will turn out to be a blessing and force me even further out of my comfort zone. So here’s to getting started!!!

Thanks for letting me be a part of this community and hopefully at some point I can bring some value here.

I feel you dude. I was just like you. Always reading not going out. Opinion openers played out? Define this please, because I don't understand. What you say in the opening is of so little importance that I just can't seem to get how anything in this cathegory can be outplayed.

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Man were in totally different boats here, I'm wanting to absorb as much as a can in terms of knowledge and theory. Perhaps we could help each other out

In terms of AA fucking up your game, the jumbling of words is easily remidied, it will take a little practice though...when your speaking speak really slowly...REALLY slowly...honestly to others it will be at a normal rate
Its like reading out loud, try reading out loud from wikipedia or something and record yourself, it will sound awful. now try it again speaking slowly, and listen back to yourself. It might sound stupid but this works for a lot of situation wher anxiety an take its toll

I do a lot of presentations and public speaking and i still get the shits when it comes to speaking to people, this its a trick i always keep in mind.

Another tip is the invisible wall, if your speaking to someone, face to face its hard
Speak to the same person from behind a desk, its much easier
The safety is there next time you approach mark out a line or wall dividing you and the target, speaking will be a lot easier and more fluid

I know it sounds silly but these techniques really do work wondors

Hope This helps buddy

-Theory-

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Theory I strongly discourage you from absorbing as much theory as you can. I'm telling you no kidding that one week of intense and self-aware going out gave me greater progress than the 2 years I fucked up for studying material.

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i understand your point, but i want to pair the new knoledge with my already active life. i feel like im not getting half the results i could achieve with a bit more knowlegde if you get me?

i can approach anyone and strike up a conversation, i can carry the conversation and 9 out of 10 times get a phone number however im falling into the friend zone far too many times and when i dont, i feel trapped by clingy needy girls

im afraid of getting into another relationship too quickly seeing as my last one of 3 years fell to absolute shit....

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I get what you're saying. It's not bad to study theory. But you need real infield experience to select what will be helpful to your game and what won't. Also the friendzone trouble is typically one that can't be fixed by reading up material. Be bold man. Dress sexual, talk sexual, and most importantly ACT sexual. It's better to be blown out for being too cocky in too minutes than to have a 3 hour-long chit-chat that leads to nowhere if you get me. I don't think you need any kinds of books to listen to your guts and manly instincts when you interact with women. IN FACT what you need is to empty and free your mind from all the BS that is limiting it and concentrate on the actual situation.

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@ MynameisFisher
I completely agree, too much theory gets in your head and you seem to think too much. Take it from me and my experience.

@ Theory316
Since I have practically no "Game" field experience, I'm going to give you some of my personal experience and some theory here. What I have been told just recently, which make absolute sense, is take it step by step. Work on your sticking points as they come.

Here's the theory-----
So you say that you can open fine, but you’re always falling into friend zone. According to what I have studied, the problem is that when it comes time for comfort (Kino, kissing, ect) you have not completed the prior step. You haven't built enough attraction. As “MynameisFisher” stated, you need to be a bit more confident and sexual in your communication. Pull here strings a little more. It would seem that you’re probably making things too comfortable and she sees you as someone safe (Friends). Take more risks, be more sexual as stated. Keep her guessing what your next move is.

For the first times attempting to get through this sticking point, take it slow. Ramp up your sexual tone slowly through about 2 or three sets. Don’t be afraid to lose the set (coming from someone that has AA, lol).

I hope this helps and I am giving you the right tactics. Let me know.

I'd actually recommend the opposite. Try first with VERY EXTREME sexual intent. Like go in the set and tell one of the girls. "Hi I came here because I think you're smoking hot and I'd like to have sex with you" This will get you blown out(or not? lol you can never know )and then you can gradually reduce and calibrate it. You don't want to increase your comfort zone by gradually moving forward trying to push it. You do that by jumping out of it kilometers away and then gradually moving back to reach the position which is brave enough to create attraction but yet socially acceptable. In the end you will be able to calibrate yourself for proper and attractive behaviour. It might take time though.

Important: When you do this, don't just say what you say. Mean it! Feel it! This way it's easier to calibrate your body language and train yourself to be congurent with your "outer game"

Also important: If you get blown out, you're doing it right. If you don't get blown out you're doing it fucking wrong unless you're inside her/on the way of being inside her of course lol. I really like this teaching of RSD...probably the most useful one from them. It's a short and simple rule: "Just close" Go for the god damn close. Get blown out, don't give a fuck, but go for the motherfucking CLOSE.

EDIT: Just a small addition to make it fully clear. No matter what you open with, what routines you use/don't use but ALWAYS try to close. Never leave a set without either closing or getting blown out. AND ironically even when you try closing every single set NEVER get dependent on whether you succeeded or not! Don't care about the result, just do it!

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See! This is the difference between studying theory and filed experience. That sound like really good advice and make tons of sense. Good luck!

You know...the funny thing with going this extreme is when it actually works. I'm telling you...EVERYTHING can happen in the field. Just everything. Once we were out with my mates. We were having as much fun as we could and went real crazy that night(actually one of my friends went a little too crazy...but that's long story).

What happened is me and my mate spotted a 2-set. I tell my friend..."Watch it. I'm going right to the chick on the left" You know what did I tell her? I don't fucking remember... something like: "Bragadlevastaradondronegla" Yeah... it does not have a meaning at all. I was just wondering her reaction and wanted to see her confused face to laugh my ass off. Then...she FUCKING LEANS IN and asks me "What did you just say?". I tell her: "I've said I think you're hot and I want to get to know you" Of course this too was destined to fail because of the obstacle. But suddenly out of nowhere the other chick's boyfriend appears he says Hi, and soon after they leave us alone. Guess what happened after that...

Morals of the story: Don't fear anything, you've really got nothing to lose with having fun. Also EVERYTHING can happen in the field. I believe that everyone on this forum who has decent infield experience has at least one crazy story like this.

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If you are too obviously sexual, and the girl takes offence, isn't there the risk you might get arrested if she or others who witness what you say make a complaint to the police?

Breach of the peace perhaps, or public indecency?

Erm... You must be american. Sorry but I don't know any other country where people would call the cops on you over something like that. Look...you don't struggle there and keep asking for sex lol. You just go there, say your cocky line, get blown out by something like "Get off jerk" (or not... you know when you're going this direct there's always a very small possibility that it will work. It's the law of big numbers) and then either you or them will leave.

EDIT: Now I see you're from London... my bad. whatever...

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