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Hi Female,

I understand how confusing must be to be told that men 'just want sex' and suddenly finding out that something doesn't really make sense, specially when you're totally open with your sexuallity, why do they get intimidated?

Well here's my 5 cents:

1. Men do want to have casual sex most of the time, and they aren't very selective for this, I mean they can have sex with almost every woman. But here's the catch, they need to feel they are gaming you into having sex, this arouses them, if they notice you're already giving it, the most openminded will take it for one night, the more alphas and selective ones will reject you.

Solution: be playful, teasing, generate some tension, he might get sex tonight, he might not, he's not sure.

2. Men keep having sex with you for a few more times if the sex was really good and they find you very attractive. They will stop seeing you if: they perceive any kind of attachment (even if its only to sex itself), any needines, possesiveness, fear or insecurity. This signals them that you might get attached to them and want a relationship (even if it's not your case, is the way they interpret these signals) so they stop seeing you before drama starts.

Solution: Date many men at the same time, and don't be always available to him.

3. Sooner or later he will get bored or you will get bored, both will fell empty, lonely and insatisfied,

Solution: Accept the reality of impermanence and meet new people.

4. It's clear that you don't want ONS but you want stable sex with the same man. That is the begining of a relationship, and if you want to keep him interested I recommend you to give a second read to Kasabi's posts, though he is a bit tough, he is totally right and he's talking from the perspective of an alpha male. The more you can cultivate other interests, enrich your life and the life of others, and become an attractive woman not only physically but intellectually, emotionally, etc. the more you will project your confidence, independence and self esteem, irressistible qualities, as DD says 'attraction isn't a choice' he'll be attracted against any logic.

Solution: move your focus from sex to cultivating yourself and sex will come and stay. Enrich your life learning a discipline, use all this sexual energy to engage in the world in meaningful ways. Don't worry about people not likeing you, try your best to like people and to give someting back to humanity.

5. Finally Lodewi said the most important thtuth in this thread, a superb revelation. Men secretly want even more than sex to 'FEEL APRECIATED'.

Solution: the easiest and more efective: PRAISE HIM. (though you have to be sincere) tell him all his good qualities, admire him, motivate him to keep working in his goal, his projects, tell him he's the BEST lover (only if you really like sex with him), see him as a smart, strong, hero, winner, leader, and he will adore you.

6. One more thing: stop calling yourself AFC, and creating a self image that screams low self esteem, and start acting as a strong, independent, confident, smart, and feminine alpha woman who has lots of cards to play, and men will see you as unique and will only want more and more of you.

Good luck girl! :)


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Solution: the easiest and more efective: PRAISE HIM. (though you have to be sincere) tell him all his good qualities, admire him, motivate him to keep working in his goal, his projects, tell him he's the BEST lover (only if you really like sex with him), see him as a smart, strong, hero, winner, leader, and he will adore you.
when i read this something triggered in my head .. lol
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Wow, that sounds amazing... Are you able to describe what she did to make you feel that way?
well she created romance and all that stuff.. she created challange and at the same time praising me just like angelina said... of course most of it was just manipulation because she has self-interests : sex and significance...

she just filled some human needs.. significance and connection... maybe it was artifical and maybe she was lying but it did make me feel a certain way.. most of it was fake on her part just to fullfill her self interest .. but then again.. you asked me what she did and not wether i liked it on long term.

after all.. even tho she was fun and exciting, she also was a empty person with a huge obession or desire for sex..i just didn't see it at that time. people who are obsessed by sex or they like it '' too much '' are often empty people or very lonely people... are you sure you just don't want a connection ? are you mixing up your needs ? i know i did...

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[Men] will stop seeing you if: they perceive any kind of attachment (even if its only to sex itself)...

Solution: Date many men at the same time, and don't be always available to him.
I think this is my problem... I am not sure how to pretend that I don't have a massive attachment to sex... I don't think I could without being really dishonest, which would make me really uncomfortable.

I think dating many men is a great suggestion, but there seem to be so few that I am interested in, so I guess then I get oneitis or whatever and scare them off :(
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The more you can cultivate other interests, enrich your life and the life of others, and become an attractive woman not only physically but intellectually, emotionally, etc. the more you will project your confidence, independence and self esteem, irressistible qualities, as DD says 'attraction isn't a choice' he'll be attracted against any logic.

Solution: move your focus from sex to cultivating yourself and sex will come and stay. Enrich your life learning a discipline, use all this sexual energy to engage in the world in meaningful ways. Don't worry about people not likeing you, try your best to like people and to give someting back to humanity.
Yes, well, the only way that I actually manage to stay relatively sane is by channeling my sexual energy into my many other interests. Doesn't seem to get me laid though, just feels a bit like a temporary off button that makes the frustration more of an undercurrent bubbling below the surface.
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Lodewi said the most important thtuth in this thread, a superb revelation. Men secretly want even more than sex to 'FEEL APRECIATED'.

Solution: the easiest and more efective: PRAISE HIM. (though you have to be sincere) tell him all his good qualities, admire him, motivate him to keep working in his goal, his projects, tell him he's the BEST lover (only if you really like sex with him), see him as a smart, strong, hero, winner, leader, and he will adore you.
I totally agree with this, but I already do this a lot. I automatically seem to focus on the positives of any interaction I've had, which is a big part of why I said that aside from when it's over before it began or it's way too efficient, I have never had sex I didn't enjoy.

Anyway, I was under the impression that making a guy feel appreciated would require a lot more than giving him genuine compliments...?
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Thanks! I appreciate the advice! :)


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Wow, that sounds amazing... Are you able to describe what she did to make you feel that way?
well she created romance and all that stuff.. she created challange and at the same time praising me just like angelina said... of course most of it was just manipulation because she has self-interests : sex and significance...

she just filled some human needs.. significance and connection... maybe it was artifical and maybe she was lying but it did make me feel a certain way.. most of it was fake on her part just to fullfill her self interest .. but then again.. you asked me what she did and not wether i liked it on long term.

after all.. even tho she was fun and exciting, she also was a empty person with a huge obession or desire for sex..i just didn't see it at that time. people who are obsessed by sex or they like it '' too much '' are often empty people or very lonely people... are you sure you just don't want a connection ? are you mixing up your needs ? i know i did...
Thank you for sharing. :)

From the perspective of sex being a pleasurable activity that I happen to find more pleasurable than pretty much anything else ever, I don't think that I am mixing up my needs. However, that doesn't mean that I don't want a connection.

Which reminds me actually:
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The more you can cultivate other interests, enrich your life and the life of others, and become an attractive woman not only physically but intellectually, emotionally, etc. the more you will project your confidence, independence and self esteem, irressistible qualities, as DD says 'attraction isn't a choice' he'll be attracted against any logic.

...start acting as a strong, independent, confident, smart, and feminine alpha woman who has lots of cards to play, and men will see you as unique and will only want more and more of you.
For a really long time, I totally had this romantic fairytale image in my head and really yearned for that kind of connection, intimacy and commitment. However, this year I've really started to feel like I can be happy being single and that, as long as my sexual needs are met, I don't NEED anyone but myself. I think that is a result of all the above things that Angelina mentioned.


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For a really long time, I totally had this romantic fairytale image in my head and really yearned for that kind of connection, intimacy and commitment. However, this year I've really started to feel like I can be happy being single and that, as long as my sexual needs are met, I don't NEED anyone but myself. I think that is a result of all the above things that Angelina mentioned.
i think you really need to ponder on this .. im serious... i think you are really deceiving yourself here or covering up some need with another.

this is seriously a red flag... don't misundertand me - there is nothing wrong with having alot of faith in yourself and being happy with yourself. Did you ever got traumatized , what how were your relationships ? how was the relationship with your parents ? how many friends do you have and what is your relationships with them, what is their gender ?

im following your thread and replies for a while and this really stood out.. i really recommend reading everything you wrote with a open mind and try to look for any patterns.. because there is a lot of contradiction..

same with '' i don't need anyone i just need sex ''

what is the difference ? isn't it the same ? you are just replacing a person with the word ''sex'' ?

im not saying you are like these, they are different types:

but alot of woman who had these mindsets were very manipulative just like gaslighters.. they weren't insulting but they gave alot of attention and suddenly withdraw it..

alot of woman who were like this had a traumatizing experience in relationship ,

alot of woman had a bad relationship with their parents or they didn't receive the right forms of attention from both parents.

alot of these woman are just the loneliest people on the planet, they are incredibly smart and creative, they have alot of social cognitive skills because they were withdrawn and observive... im this type here , or at least i was.

because in the end ..

you probably don't want to live your whole life only getting sex and quick fixes to coope with being lonely.. i bet you want children someday and i bet you want a incredible connection someday. There is nothing wrong with being young and wanting to get laid as much as possible BUT you have to realize that if you get stuck into one lifestyle and one mindset - you will grow stuck into these behaviours.

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i think you are really deceiving yourself here or covering up some need with another.
As I said before, I genuinely enjoy the pleasurable sensation of sex and find it to be the most pleasurable thing in the world, so in that respect I really don't think that it's covering up anything, and I'm certainly not using it to be in denial about any issues I may have. Which brings us to:
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Did you ever got traumatized , what how were your relationships ? how was the relationship with your parents ?

...alot of woman had a bad relationship with their parents or they didn't receive the right forms of attention from both parents.

alot of these woman are just the loneliest people on the planet, they are incredibly smart and creative, they have alot of social cognitive skills because they were withdrawn and observive...
Yes you're right about all that, and I'm well aware of my abandonment issues. It makes me a lot more sensitive to some things than other people. Anyway, I can't change the past. I think it's a positive step forward for me that I can feel happy being on my own and finally I can feel like I don't need to be in a relationship to be fulfilled in my life. It's not an easy feat, the way society shoves stuff like marriage in our faces all the time. I don't think it's healthy to feel so incomplete without a partner, so I am glad I'm not feeling that way anymore.
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same with '' i don't need anyone i just need sex ''

what is the difference ? isn't it the same ? you are just replacing a person with the word ''sex'' ?
No. The reason I need sex and that sex toys and masturbation don't satisfy, is because I am literally turned on by the touch, the smell, the sound, the warmth, the flesh of a real person, and I am turned on by them getting pleasure from me. It is very much physical. That doesn't mean that I don't recognise that sex is better with a connection and it doesn't mean that I don't want a connection with anyone. I just don't think that sort of thing should be forced... If I met the right person I would not hesitate to get involved with them on an emotional level.
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i bet you want children someday and i bet you want a incredible connection someday.
I can think of nothing worse than having children (I would rather die!) but an incredible connection would be nice. If it doesn't happen though, I am not going to spend the rest of my days being miserable because of it!


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Hey I can relate. I think guys overestimate how easy it is for girls to get laid (with someone they're attracted to). I just wouldn't want to have sex with someone I could pick up in 2 minutes because I need to know the person has standards and actually likes me. Also, I do need somewhat of an emotional connection. Going up to people and asking for sex really puts yourself out there in terms of risking humiliation.

In addition, women need to consider their own safety. Inviting a stranger to your place or going back to his could put you in physical danger. I once had a guy try to lock me in his house (told me we had to go inside to get money for the cab- yes I'm an idiot). I had to fight to unlock the door and he chased me until I found a group of subway employees working late who called the police. So please don't just go to some guy's house.


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I have come to the conclusion that if a lot more guys had PUA skills, then I wouldn't be in quite such a predicament, as there would be a greater number of guys that I would be attracted to.


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I have come to the conclusion that if a lot more guys had PUA skills, then I wouldn't be in quite such a predicament, as there would be a greater number of guys that I would be attracted to.

Exactly unfortunately puas less than 1% of general population, and puas with skills .000000000000001 of population, female afc did you finish 60?

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Female AFC lets cut the shit...

for a while it has been bugging me why you avoiding some questions and why you are giving me certain replies - and avoiding private messaging...

YOU EXACTLY

think like someone i know

write like someone i know

talk and compliment like someone i know

and your first language is dutch ?

Your mindsets are exactly 100 % the same like someone i know

this must be a huge coincidence or we have met and know eachother...


so let me ask this...do we know eachother or not , because i think i have a good idea about who you really are...

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I have come to the conclusion that if a lot more guys had PUA skills, then I wouldn't be in quite such a predicament, as there would be a greater number of guys that I would be attracted to.

Exactly unfortunately puas less than 1% of general population, and puas with skills .000000000000001 of population, female afc did you finish 60?
Okay I have finally finished reading all four chapters. Wow! I'm actually really impressed! I don't agree with absolutely everything he's written, and I took a bit of convincing, especially initially, but I do think a lot of what he says is really spot on.

I was amazed to learn about the two male needs of sex and female affection. I was also particularly surprised to learn that most guys don't find sexual intercourse any more physically pleasant than masturbation.

I was disgusted, but not necessarily surprised, to read about the purity fantasy and the Madonna / whore complex. This is an absolutely MASSIVE problem for me. I really need to find a guy who's not hung up on this!

I found the talk about female agendas a bit funny, because I don't have an agenda the way the other women do. I definitely don't want children, and in fact I suspect I would be quite happy being with a guy who was "allowed to hook up
with other women, hangout only twice a week, live in separate apartments"...

I feel extremely confused about how to use all this information in a practical way... It makes me feel quite powerless because it seems like attraction is built most effectively by the guy chasing the woman. I really need every guy to read this stuff and then maybe I won't have such a hard time! :S


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Female AFC lets cut the shit...

for a while it has been bugging me why you avoiding some questions and why you are giving me certain replies - and avoiding private messaging...

YOU EXACTLY

think like someone i know

write like someone i know

talk and compliment like someone i know

and your first language is dutch ?

Your mindsets are exactly 100 % the same like someone i know

this must be a huge coincidence or we have met and know eachother...


so let me ask this...do we know eachother or not , because i think i have a good idea about who you really are...
That's crazy! This chick you know must be pretty cool! :P But seriously, no way, I don't speak a word of Dutch... I don't even live in Europe, so I doubt we've
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Oh-ow.
That is EXACTLY what I said to myself out loud when I read Lodewijkp's post! Haha!


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Oh and P.S. I don't recall receiving any private messages from you Lodewijkp, so I don't know what you're talking about when you say I'm avoiding them...


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