Hello community.

I first got introduced to PUA through Neil Strauss' The Game. I remember at some point in Project Hollywood, Style and another fella tried this thing called 'Sleep Diet' out. It wasn't explained in detail put the dealio is that you get your sleep by 6 sets of 20 minute powernaps with 4 hour interval. There is a 10 day addapting period where you will be like a zombie, but after addapting to the alternative sleep cycle you will actually get more energi, by sleeping less.

Style and the other fella didn't succeed in this, and the book didn't elaborate on it. But thanks to the great device that is stumbleupon.com I found some actual information on this I would like to share.

http://www.highexistence.com/alternate-sleep-cycles/

I know this is not really PUA, but selfimprovement. But I for one wouldn't mind 6 more waken hours a day to get my shit done.

I am going to try this as soon as possible. I would like to know if any of you guys have tried this? Or would might like to try this. Post your results and thoughts in the thread.

every time I have read or heard of people trying these more productive sleep timing patterns it fails. Humans have chemicals that control sleep cycles, and its very hard to behaviorally modify these. Good luck.

This sounds interesting.
I read this book called "The Four Hour Body" and it talked about the different things that people could do to improve the functions of their body, and sleeping less and adapting to less sleep was one of the topics.

That turns out in a disaster. I have personally witnessed several people crash several weeks after they start the program regardless of brainpower or determination. Your mind will take over eventually.

The Canadian Army has done tests show that you can only survive up to six months while being even mildly productive. And during those 6 months, the mind will never be above 85% of its potential power consistently.

So even while you are awake for longer, the loss of productivity is quite often very marginal and the loss of the first 10 days to get "into the cycle" certainly makes it less productive in the "long run" which will not be that long.

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ajusting the sleep cycles to 4 hours and maintaining constant sleep and wakeup times is sustainable. But any less than 4 Is unrealistic.

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I believe it depends on motivation. Ofcourse the first 10 days you wont be able to do anything productive, those 10 days are about one thing. Survival.

But it is doable, Einstein only slept for 2 hours a day. Do you believe that one of the greatest minds of all time was never above 85% of its potential power?

I don't get what you are saying about you can only survive on this for 6 months? As soon as you made the adapting period you will only feel more energetic from that point?

funny i just read this about Einstein
So 10-11 hours may be an exaggeration but no way he was sleeping on a few hours a night.

Okay I gotta get my sources right. My father told me this while I talked to him about alternate sleep patterns. But upon little research I withdraw my claim. Einstein was a long sleeper.

However other great minds like Thomas Edison and Nicola Tesla are known to sleep relatively little. A thing they all have in common is the power nap, that they benefit from.

I think I will research a lot more before trying any of these patterns. Apparently there are so many stages of sleep, and it is vital that you hit each of them.

I think your idea is a logical one but as the other posters have said and everything I have heard, trying to alter your sleep patterns for more productivity is next to impossible.

I tried to do this myself once, after about three days of sleep deprivation, I nearly shit myself, and thus gave it up.

I've read a lot into the uber man sleep cycle. The effects of sleeping like this are not entirely known, since you are not getting all the natural stages of sleep, and falling immediately into REM sleep, the few people that have tried it have had equal amounts of energy as they would have on a regular pattern.

And if you train/ workout then you are gonnae kill yourself. You need at least 6 hours or you will not be successful in your fitness regime

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they say 3 hours of uberman sleep is equivalent to 8 hours of monophasic sleep, so it's arguable.

agreed, most people sleep more than others for unneeded amounts of time. I have been balancing College, A job 2 hours away, and my game for about 3 years now and I rarely sleep more than 4-5 hours consistently throughout the year.

I do manage to survive however, and if you eat right and or get a multivitamin everyday then you will be fine.

Eat poorly and your body will crash and burn

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Interesting. I decided to do some research and there are a few cycles so it really depends on what you do. The best one I saw was called the everyman cycle. It involved one three hour sleep period and three 20 minute sleep periods throughout the day. I also read that this is best used when not switching to the uberman cycle right away since the uberman cycle is the toughest cycle and doesn't allow any prolonged sleep periods.

There is one semi-famous guy (bucky fuller) who achieved the dymaxion cycle, which is 30 minutes every 6 hours. Doctors examined him and found him healthy. He was also an extremely successful businessman. It was his business that stopped him since his partners persuaded him to switch back to normal so he would be on the level of a normal human being (none of his business partners could do it). Despite being well known there is no real proof that he actually used the dymaxion cycle, although a time magazine article in the late 40's wrote about him.

The main idea behind all of this is being able to get into rem sleep faster without the other parts of sleep which are a waste of time according to the theory. In order to do this you try and get into having extremely lucid dreams (a sign of rem sleep). Yet as no one really knows why we sleep to begin with there are a lot of issues with this idea. We only know sleep is necessary and rem sleep is the most productive part of our sleep cycle. Whether this method really works or not is still up for debate.

There have been numerous tests from both military institutions and bloggers. Military claims it is a disaster after so many days. Bloggers all claim it is a good thing, but most of them are persuaded by a wife or some other person to switch back to the normal cycles of sleep for the sake of being on the same level as anyone else. Almost no one makes it past a few years. Also you can not change your nap periods very much so it can ruin your schedule and requires a stay at home job or very flexible hours. You are sacrificing flexibility in your schedule for increased hours. Also be prepared to spend many of those extra hours alone.

I hope this helps shed some light on this issue.

Sources:
http://www.highexistence.com/alternate-sleep-cycles/
http://www.highexistence.com/six-tips-a ... sic-sleep/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2007/0 ... ear-later/

This isn't about taking vitamins, or wanting it badly enough.

Your brain recharges during REM sleep. REM sleep cannot be forced, it occurs after you have fallen to asleep and have been out for a few hours, then ends after a few more hours and you are able to wake up refreshed. Now people do a lot these days, and every so often its not lethal to not sleep much. But to consistently try to sleep in such short periods is foolish. Your body may be able to rest up, but your brain can't with such short naps. REM sleep cannot be activated after just 10-20 minutes of sleep, nor do you receive enough of a charge after so little rest even if you could enter REM sleep quicklky enough for it to be healthy. Just a few days without REM sleep will cause significant mental fatigue, hell if you went a week you'd probably be hallucinating.

If you want to live healthier, just cut down on the beer, hit the gym a couple times a week, and replace those potato chips with vegetables.