Hello my name is David! i am from Denmark and i am a son of a pastor.

My occupation: i am a full time magician, working to become a pro.

My situation is complicated and i really need help, if anybody can provide that kind of help, i would be thankful.

I am raised in a good christian family, were my parents are not divorced and we have a strong fellowship.

Everything about being a christian, is against what i want out of my life.
Why cant i have sex before marriage and all that stuff.

I have followed my fathers guidelines since i were a kid, until i turned 19 last week.
I said to myself now its enough!

If my dad discover that i flirt with girls and all this pick-up shit,,, what should i do?


How can i ever run my game, when he doese not respect that i like girls? when he was young he was much worse than me, since i dont drink and fuck every 1 around me...


If he discover my double life, then he is gonna give me 2 choices.. either getting kicked out, or turn my life around (convert my self to become a Christian)

I have no place to move... what should i do?

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You're on the PUA forum. I think you know what you want to do

Well I am no son of any pastor.. But I don't see why you can't be Christian and a PUA. That being said, you aren't your dad and since you are not a pastor like him, you are a magician, there is absolutely no reason why you cant date girls and become a MPUA. Like you said - you're old enough to start making your own decisions and forming your own opinions about the world.. Far beyond old enough to start disagreeing with your dad on things. Become the kind of man you want to be, not the kind of man your father wants you to be. He will respect you for it in the end. (And even if he doesn't it was still the right thing to do)

stop being a hard core Christian or move the hell away from your parents asap.

Likely you should do both.

Do what you want in life man, don't waste your life following the boundaries of what someone else believes, no one believes in the same thing. It's all preference.

I am a christian pua, there is nothing wrong with that, just do what makes you happy, but just be careful you do not embarrassed your family, your dad as a pastor is a role model for other families, just make sure than when you do you, it does not affect your family. David was a pua, samsong,salomon etc... cool! Read the book how to win friends and influence people Dale Carnagie...

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I strongly recommend reading that book too, it's a good foundation.

I'm a christian PUA as well and I was a former Youth Group leader for the Predident pastor of the christian churches of south florida.

Skills360 hit it on the head of the nail with these well know biblical characters that we admire but r only taught to the congrigation while hiding a lot.

Also, the bible was written over 1000 years ago....times have changed and so has man-kind.

If anything, look at Billy Graham's sons. One said with his father, the other one lived a ''worldly'' life and wen he decided to come back home, Billy Graham left his WHOLE organization to the worldly son.

How can u lead others and tell them the consequences of wrong doing if u have not seen them first hand or experienced them.

Just remember that PUA is a horrible name given to this society but it is the foundation non the les. This society is all men trying to help each other better themselves to be the best canidate for a woman and building a better lifestyle.

Plus magic in the days of the bible was considered 'blasphamy' because u r creating an illusion which distorts the average mind which they said makes ur subconcious feel 'God-like' for u have control over their minds for those moments.

The bible to me is an excellent manual but u must understand that a lot is written in metaphoric language in order for u to interpret it in the way it will best help u.

Back then marraige was arrange by the parents, the man who can offer more gets to marry the daughter, back then (no condoms) so they prefered an 'untouched' which made men offer EVEN MORE for the daughter's hand in marraige.

Unfortunately I learned more of how pastors use their social status to be able to control the follower's mind into believing that the pastor's mentality is the correct way.

A pastor guides the sheep on a safe path which HE believes to be safe. But we r not sheep, we r human being and God created us with FREE WILL!

Recommend reading Romans 14

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No offense but your theology... sucks. Time have changed? So? What happened to "heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away” (Luke 21:33). You think God would be smart enough to account for time when he had it written, don't you think? If we can just manipulate the bible and take the pieces that are "relevant" to our times then pretty much everything is subjective. Who are you to say God's words are contingent on time?

Metaphoric language... sounds like a good excuse to go do whatever you want. Tell me how many ways you can interpret these verses:
- "For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication." 1 Thess.4:3
- "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." 1 Corinth. 6:18
- "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness... "Gal. 5:19

It's pretty clear to me that premarital sex is forbidden. Sorry if you're a christian, stay away from this. Stop making excuses for yourself. Be a fucking man.

What was the point of that last statement? Are you saying since we're not sheep, that metaphor doesn't apply to us??? Then why would that statement be in the Bible?

God gave us freewill expecting us to choose to live according to his way, not so we can twist his words and go on sinning.

Excuse me for being a bit angry at your post. I'm a Christian and I get really riled up when people start messing with theology. I will end off saying this: Premarital sex is forbidden. Period. I dare you to find a verse that says the opposite.

@ OP.

I understand your concerns. As much as I don't like what Tattoo Toast has to say, I will agree with him in that you can be a PUA and a Christian at the same time. Be careful. It's a double edged sword. I know because I've been there. There are things I've done that I know I shouldn't have done. But that doesn't make PU evil. In fact, I think there are a lot of things in PU that are beneficial, not just to Christians, but to every guy out there, including
1) Becoming more confident,
2) Accepting yourself for who you are,
3) Learning to cope with failure.
These life lessons are my biggest take from pickup, far more valuable than closing any girl, and alone worth practicing PU.

Now, here's a list of do's/dont's:

Definite no-no's: f-closes, *blowjobs, handjobs, (kinky body part) job
Things I think are ok but others may disagree: kissing, petting, grinding
Things that are definitely ok: # close, dating

As a Christian, you need to have self-control. Know what you can and cannot do. PU is good if you can manage it. But don't be stupid. And whatever you do, don't do something you know is wrong and backward justify it. I've had premarital sex, but I'm not about to justify my actions by reading Romans 14. I was wrong. I admit it. I'll try not to do it again. No big deal.

As for you dad, just go tell him the truth. Set boundaries for yourself. There's nothing wrong with flirting with girls. Christians are people too, they need to know how attraction works. As much as I believe in God, I don't think he's going to sprinkle divine magic dust on your forehead and make you a pimp every time you talk to a girl. It's part of life. Even Christian guys need to know how to interact with women. Hell, your dad had to attract your mom too (though he's probably AFC, lol).

*If you're a christian and you think blowjobs don't qualify as premarital sex, you have missed the boat by a mile.
Lol. Well said. Except you do realize David and Soloman were the 2 greatest Israel kings ever, and Samson had superhuman strength? No magic trick can out-DHV that.

kherm, and the other dude, i know you guys are well meaning and trying to help but the point is not theology or bible, the dude has a conflict with the parents, specially the dad, and you guys are well meaning but changing the subject, stop quoting bible vs. etc.. please, is bad taste and in the wrong place, cool! just address the dude issue, thanks! Bottom line is dad/son conflict...It happens all the time even with no christian families were the dad has high expectations, and want the son to be the idea of what the dad could not be or his image of a perfect son or whatever. As i said read how to win friends and influence people by dale carnagie, do not embarrassed your dad, and do you smooth kind of double life for a while till you move out, which i do not recommend specially in this economy.

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to be a christian, just means to follow the teaching of jesus in whatever way you choose to.

don't let other people tell you what or how to think in life.

i consider myself a christian, yet i am not a perfect person.

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hah. good call out, skills (I see you make fine use of Dale Carnegie's techniques yourself). Sorry OP, I get really into theology debates. Didn't mean to get off topic.

Anyways, I'm actually a Christian and my mother is EXTREMELY devout, i.e. went to divinity school, missions trip, started seminary school in China and get blacklisted by the government type of stuff. Lol. She knows I do pickup. In fact, she fully supports it. She even prays for me doing pickup lol. I couldn't have gotten where I am without her support too.

Now what I didn't do is say, "hey mom, I'ma go practice how to fuck bitches. k thx bye."

I convinced her that PU was good for me in and of itself for reasons such as it increases your interpersonal skills, social intuition, confidence, dominance, leadership. I actually made a very cogent argument to her. I read Dale Carnegie, Napolean Hill, and Tony Robbins. A lot of my reasons for doing pickup drew from those sources. I downplayed the lasciviousness part of pickup.

The trick is you can't make it seem like you're justifying your actions. In other words, don't make these excuses to do pickup. Make these the actual reason to do pickup. In hindsight I would have done pickup with or without getting any closes. It's the experience and life lessons you learn from the journey itself that makes it worthwhile. Emphasize these aspects.

And like Skills said, don't do anything to jeopardize your family's image. Your can't expect your dad to let you do this if it's going to hurt him or your family.

However I don't agree with the double life thing. 1) Living a double life is tiring. 2) how are you going to get away with it? If you're spending hours a day sarging, he's going to start worrying about where you're going. Just be clean and straight up with him.

And lastly, be ready if your dad will not let you do PU. Some parents are just like that.

kherm you got me there good answer i like that " i see you are using the Dale Carnagie yourself" hahhahahahahhahaha

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