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Yeah, just behaving in a natural fashion is the best plan of action. The problem is that these days the human race is becoming more and more unnatural. Birds dont read books on how to attract a mate. Bees dont take seminars on how to seduce bitches. Bears dont walk down to the supermarket and hand the cashier sum paper in exchange for a fish.


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Yeah, just behaving in a natural fashion is the best plan of action. The problem is that these days the human race is becoming more and more unnatural. Birds dont read books on how to attract a mate. Bees dont take seminars on how to seduce bitches. Bears dont walk down to the supermarket and hand the cashier sum paper in exchange for a fish.

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I never had any issues with C&F. The issues or problems with C&F people are pointing out are those that are against it, say it doesn't work, or what have you. C&F in no way makes you look like a jerk or what ever if it fits you and your personality. I been doing C&F for years and I never had a girl call me a jerk or an asshole. I had girls jokingly/playfully call me a jerk, but that's it.


Agreed. Has to fit your personality as i think i said in previous post.
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C&F can be intense flirting but its not always is. C&F can be a lot of things. I used C&F in sexual ways to humorous ways depending on the conversation. I mean I have cheered people up using C&F before. C&F just makes things funnier and less boring in general.
I wasn't saying that's all it was. It's a very powerful tool that can be used in many ways, once again, i agree.


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The problem with using Cocky + Funny correctly is that you have to actually be cocky and funny.

Most guys attempting C+F end up just being unfunny assholes.

If you want to try it again, I actually recommend some movies/TV to watch for examples:

Carey Grant in "North By Northwest" is an amazing example.
Bill Murray in "Ghostbusters".
The cop character in "Bridesmaids".
Alec Baldwin in "30 ROCK".
Ashton Kutcher in "No Strings Attached".

And many more I can't think of right now.


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American pie isn't a bad place to get some lines, hahaha. There's great ones in there, but it needs to become fun and effective before it can get used, or else it can destroy all hope


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I agree with the calibration someone talked about. I'm very direct and casual with my approach, but if I'm approaching a set and a friend is trying to cock block, or trying to be the center of attention, I turn on some cocky funny, to wind ehr down, and isolate her from her friends.

I was talking with this group, and I was saying how relationships shouldn't be a debate, they should be a flow, two people moving down the same path. "I like to debate!" the friend said. "It's fun."

So being cocky and funny, "No you don't, you just think you do."

"No, I really do, I love debating with my boyfriends."

"Yeah, well, you might think that at the moment, but deep down inside, it's the natural inclination for you to want smoothness in communication."

"No, you're wrong..."

"I'm debating with her because she says she likes to debate, and I'd think it be nice if she liked me," I said to her friend, loud enough for the table to hear it, and for her to.

Now her only choice was to supplicate and join the group in liking me, or look like a bitch and get pissed off, and walk off. She supplicated, laughing, and saying, "I get you, well thank you... I wasn't sitting here not liking you until now."

"No she likes me, if not, we'll debate about it later!" The table laughed. And I was cocky and funny at the right time.


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C & F is like anything else in the seduction community, a choice. I "use" to use C and F when I tried hard. To be honest, I did better without it, but I know some men who do just fine with it. Like anything in PUA, it depends on the individual. I would just hate to see guys use C and F and appear very insecure. If that was the point of the OP then I agree that C & F tends to make guys who don’t use it well come off very insecure. .


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1)It makes you come across as weirdo.
2)even if girl sticks with you you're probably gonna be a weird friend
3)kills attraction instead of creating it
4)honesty + playfulness works much better than a witty line in creating attraction
5)It makes you think that the girl is attracted to you, when she's being polite/thinks you're a weirdo
6)makes you come across as a jerk.
7)makes you look try-hard
I used to suck at it too, because I would use it ALL THE FUCKING TIME. and yes, that is weird. But when used occasionally, it can put up a good frame.

"Stop looking at me like that... I know that look, you just can't wait to rip my clothes off ;)"

Laughter = good, if you're getting a fake ass smile that goes away after 0.1 seconds and she avoids eye contact afterwards, then yes. You did it wrong and she's being polite/thinks you're a weirdo.

Calibration = key, you can only learn it from fucking up a couple of times.... keep trying it, cause you're not getting it.

And maybe.... just maybe... it isn't for you. If you're like a male model and use this stuff, you'll come off as arrogant. As for me... I'm freakin' short, and look nothing like a model. So it works, people know I'm joking.


Anyway, C&F isn't the be all and end all to getting pussy. But it's a fun little thing that makes you stand out. If you're not enjoying using it, then it's not for you. The most important thing is that YOU think it's funny.
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C&F along with some humbleness has gotten me pretty far.

C&F is opposite of humbleness


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I think Jav is trying to say they both have their place. Not to use both simultaneously


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i dont see any of the top puas or any naturals being overly c/f

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I think people have a different view on what C/F is.

All naturals and top PUA guys are C/F.

How is humour bad?

How is confidence bad?

Who ever disagrees needs to observe successful human beings interact with women. They are C/F is one way or the another. It doesn't have to blantant. It can be subtle. It doesn't even have to be verbal. Take "stealth attraction" by Gambler. A lot of it is non verbal yet it still is cocky/confident and funny to the woman.

There is a huge difference between being C/F and being an arrogant twat. And covering up insecurity with delusional cockiness is not what C/F is. The reason why C/F is not working for all you guys is because the woman is:
1.) Not attracted to you at all
2.) Seeing through your cover up

I can't believe this thread even exists. Do some howework on humour, do some observing of confident people and most important learn how to read body language! If a girl is repulsed by you, nothing you do will create attraction.
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I would just hate to see guys use C and F and appear very insecure. If that was the point of the OP then I agree that C & F tends to make guys who don’t use it well come off very insecure


+1. It's about the user, the idea works perfect. The user is broken not the other way around.


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Cocky and confident are different.


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