This post should probably be in pua lounge but as my post count is just short of the requirements i shall post it here, apologies, could it be moved moderators?

I've been doing game for three months now, met loads of puas, sets and getting some results... finally. In short i feel like a proper member of the community, i love game, it is my new passion! But (this is where the rant begins), the community, as awesome as it is, frustrates me so much!

The biggest issue is the mass amount of contradictory information out there, the different methods and gurus clash with one and other, a basic example is indirect vs direct game, natural vs canned, their is not much overall agreement. I always thought and still hold the assumption that there are concrete rules underlying social situations that can be exposed and played with, to our advantage, maybe this is asking too much of the pua's. My view of game is changing into the mode of thinking: 'do what works for you', and that much of the guru's methods are just what has worked for them, their own style and they have not found the key to attraction at all. Most of the stuff that is out their is just someone else's style of game and it is hard to find universal concepts that work for everyone, although there are some.

Ok this going to get a little complex here.... every pua has one view of the world, one view of social interactions, one view of reality, their own, they come up with all their theories and techniques based on what they perceive works. But it is only what works in their eyes, for themselves. Their sample in their 'pick up experiment' is a sample of one (themselves) and then they attempt to generalize their findings and results to everyone and say this is what works! This is a massive flaw, if you did this in social science no one would take you seriously (please note i am not suggesting pua is going to become an academic discipline lol). So really, no one is trying to find out what works overall, just what works for them. Maybe this is the way pick up is and should be, maybe i am expecting too much from a such a new community, but this is a flaw certainly. Should we not strive for a more objective view of social dynamics instead of each imprinting our own subjective interpretations on each other.

Opinions are welcomed!

the reason there can NEVER be ONE concrete approach that works 100% of the time, is that every person is different, and their state of mind is changing from one moment to the next, and that goes for both the PUA and the person who is being seduced.

That's why the only effective style, and the philosophy behind my program, is FLEXIBILITY.... READ the situation, and respond accordingly. Build into yourself as not second but FIRST nature, how to utilize your strengths for maximum effectiveness in a broad variety of situations, in a broad variety of ways.

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Think of it like sports.

Jim Brown

or

Barry Sanders?


Both of them had wild success in the NFL and 2 of the greatest most opposing styles of running the game has ever seen. Both got into the endzone, but did it wildly differently.

You are your own person, you got to (I'm assuming ~20+ years of age) this point in time by doing things your way, and it has worked.

I'm in my early 20's, already bald, former college athlete, former humor writer, former chef, former bouncer, former carpenter, former club promoter, traveled to over 20 countries, former pro card player, former youth coach, former serial monogamist, and currently living in my mom's basement while I'm in grad school and spending 3 months a year abroad.

My life experience is mine and mine only, just as yours is. If I'm on the practice field, and I see a running back do a double-stutter-step juke, and I've never done a juke before, what am I going to do? Proclaim his is the best and only use that? What if he's quicker than me? Well I could do a single-step juke, or a triple-step-juke. I will try them on to see what fits, and then most importantly why. I'm a power runner, so a single step juke keeps my power and allows me to change direction and power through the tackle more often than a direct hit.

It's the same thing with everything here. I read the classic opinion opener by style. I kind of like it, but I think it's too contrived, so I mold it, I make it more playful, I set it up for the types of jokes I've been using my whole life, and it works better, why? Because of my confidence, life experience and who I am.

Don't look at these things the way these 'gurus' lay them out for you. Take peacocking for example. Think about it, and think about it hard. What is it? Seriously, what the fuck does peacocking do?






It brings attention to you and it makes it easy for person to initiate an IOI. That's it.

There are tons of other things you can do to accomplish the same thing. By dress, by how you approach people, how you talk, how you stand, what not, there's a lot there. Just think about it.

NEVER buy into anyone's spiel that this or that is the best. Seriously, haven't you read the 48 laws yet? Sit on the fence, don't pick sides, make them fight for you.

Your speaking the truth. Every one has there own style of gaming. Don't try to replicate a "guru." However, there are great things to learn from the gurus. My 2 favorites are Mystery and Mehow when it comes to social intelligence.

I go out with my friends and game. We all have our own style. One is very social, other is very chill, and I get sexual soon as possible. This is great because we all have different strenght that we work off.

Like our last pull, I got sexual with this girl right away, my friend didn't get sexual with there girl, but built lots of comfort with them, and they all came back later on.

unless your a good actor, trying to be someone else will do more harm then good. Be yourself, but add confident and be alpha. When your out, have fun, and every thing will fall into place.

I agree that everyone has their own style, this is quite obvious, just based on personality alone, the slight genetic and socialized variations of humans imply everyone must have a different style and that is the point. Everyone who comes into the community just imposes their style on it and this does not further our knowledge in any tangibleness way, the next pua to come along must figure a hell of a lot out on his own.

There are no attempts to study the underlying principles of successful puas, their commonalities, what core concepts they are using what truly gives them their success. So that when the next guy comes across pua he will have a base of what works, what really works, not just what has worked for someone.

you call them gurus .. nobody said they were gurus untill they claimed it...

what the fuck is this notion about a guru anyway.. it's just a dungeons and dragon nerd with a penis who went into taking serious steps to improve himself the way he likes it..

he developed his own belief and methods.. he doesn't fucking care if you like it or not .. he just shows you his thoughts in order to help you..

you also got alot of idiots who are only there to steal your money .. but hey .. who gives a fuck.. il be rather pushed into meeting woman by anyone instead of sitting home playing world at warcraft...

what the hell does peacocking do ?.. lol i never understood this shit.. i had similar succes dressed like shit.. I see alot of guys wearing cool clothes but none of them pull chicks.. they are just men who are getting more feminized.

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I have been wondering about this as well. I understand the concept behind it, but I really don't see how it would build attraction. It's one thing to have a few minor unique accessories, but if you look like a freak (as portrayed by most people who promote peacocking) I just don't understand how that will do anything but make her think you're a fucking weirdo.

Peacocking doesn't build attraction. Period.

What it does is it makes more women see you. When more women see you they now have something to easily break down the barrier between an interest and a conversation. YOU build the attraction, how you respond to her, how you own what you are doing.

This isn't high level stuff guys, it's gone over in The Game (however, a bit more implicitly than this) and you should know that.

You can peacock by just dressing different. You don't have to dress like a magician, to peacock.

The problem with the community stems from philosophy not from the methodology. Several "gurus" say "insert" my system and it will lead you to the road of success. This sort of nonsense has been happening since the time of Plato and Aristotle. For example, most claim that being direct, outgoing, and social are the "ingredients" for success. However, there are a number of factual contradictions that do not support this idea. Most say that being shy and reclusive are ingredients for failure, yet there are several men who are shy and still good with women. The issue here is one of "perception". An issue of one man thinking he has the solution to all men's ailments.

However, the best thing that could possibly happen to the community is to find out what motivates each individual man to success? What is a trigger that inspires him to become the person he wants to be? Pick up isn't the only industry trying to ascertain the origins of the "spark". There are several other "Self-Improvement" industries doing this as well, everyone with their own formulas pitching their own tunes. And some people become successful by these individual formulas, but most do not. The people who are most hurt are the ones who the formulas never sought to fit in the first place. A formula based on personal motivation and individual strengths is superior to one that is based on someone else's strengths or better yet avoiding you’re weaknesses.