Okay so I'd love to say lets just get to the point but I'm going to have to update you on the situation for you to understand. Now..I'm 16 I've liked many girls. my Score? A measly 1. Altho I have kissed a lot of women before and before anyone says my mum doesn't count your right she doesn't but does my nan count? I'm joking..Ok let me start by saying I've liked this girl on and off for a year or so now.. maybe a bit over a year but not much. Its funny the first time I saw her I thought "Well probably never going to talk to her" But I worked up courage approached as the new kid at the school and did quite well with the 1st part..Ok. So first 2-3 weeks she was quite in to me and we just clicked. I was surprised but I messed up. I said on one of our long conversations on the phone... " so.. what would you say if I asked you out " she said I don't know.. I know my mistake I showed weakness by not doing it properly. Okay so like any young guy you don't take rejection easily..I texted her the next day and asked her if she thought about what I said to her on the phone the night before. She sent me the "I'm not ready for a relationship , my life is so complicated and I don't have time for a boyfriend."

I took that as a I'm not in to you and said back. Look I'm not that sensitive I said just tell me if your not in to me! I don't want a bull shit excuse from you to protect my feelings. You hurt them by telling me lies just admit it blah blah.. Basically I did not take it well at all and was quite heart broken. I then stopped speaking to her completely with my excuse that she lied..I mean seriously how pathetic am I.

1 or 2 months went by and I didn't even look at her in the corridors of school between lessons. Until one day at the train station I hugged her and said I'm over it but just don't lie to me again and i will carry on talking to you. Okay so time went on and we became friends. Good friends, Then really good to Best friends for a short period of time maybe a month.

During our whole friendship after I almost asked her out (Realize I didn't even ask her out properly) and ignored her for all that time this boy called Kane fell in love with her. (for the record I fell first) Kane was not getting anywhere so I even used reverse phycology and said she should go for it as a joke.

She always found it funny and said no so it kept me kinda happy she wasn't with anyone. When I became friends with kane he was alright . I felt sorry for him but I still had underlying feelings for this girl. I introduced Jess to my friend Elliot who is a real natural with acting the right way to attract women. He's also more attractive and has muscles,wears stupid chinos that would look stupid on my chunky legs (perhaps thats why i think they are stupid) anyway she fell for Elliot a little..I could tell but she did not admit it.

I trust Elliot more than kane so I told him I really love this girl for some reason and I don't want him sarging her at all! He's a good mate and did not ever break my trust. I asked him for tips but he says he has a "charm" like his brother..and cant help. He says you either have it or you don't. Is this true? Have I lost all hope? Those were the questions i found myself obsessed with and getting upset over. I feel so weird typing all this but I will carry on..So I started to feel the jealousy.

I got over it cause I had a busy holiday in Philippines and also Thai land where I met asians which I had my first sexual experience with. My first kiss, First F-close. But I Ended everything because I'm certain that this girl is who I should be with. I got closer and closer over black berry messenger to Jess and she told me secrets about her depression and low self esteem...I also gathered she needed a fair amount of attention from me and was not attracted to me in the slightest. I got needy and upset all the time i basically portrayed myself as nice sensitive guy. a shoulder to cry on. I was there for her night and day with advice about her life. I fell deep in love. Still am now. So I came back from thai land and wanted to see her.

Then I found out from her she liked 2 boys at the same time ( i got happy and assumed i was one but i was wrong) I asked who.. She was reluctant to tell me but she told me kane was one and I already knew Elliot was the other but she got over him soon enough. So I desperately had to do SOMETHING! ANYTHING! to put her off kane..I went to see her and gave her advice on the subject saying he was a liar and i dont think he even has a girlfriend. When I saw her i found out more and more and kane had suddenly got this fake girlfriend and he made sure she knew about this fake girl by being a prick to her...by showing off and generally comparing her to jess because he wanted her to be jealous.

He played the jealousy card so well! and i thought badly of him for it. I already thought badly of him cause he took advantage of her when drunk a long time ago ( basically he kissed her on the neck and breasts when she passed out) and I found out about it in thai land so I already was pissed off with what he did. The difference between us was that he did not keep his love secret but i did...

I acted like mr nice guy never using kino escalation and enjoying the hugs and cuddles i got.. altho I often expressed how much i cared about her and how beautiful she was i even had a thing where i would say good morning sexy..really tried with the sexting thing when i was in thai land yeah.... didnt work she said i was like a brother to her..but i soon said i wasnt her brother n that so i managed my way around it. So..She says to me I'm going with kane to see him dump his gf and she wanted me to come...this was going to be one of the most painful days of my life but I didn't even know it yet!.

I said sure haha I'd love to see this i bet you she dont exist. So..we go off to barnet which is miles away from where i live and had to get a lift at 2 or 3 in the morning from my grandmother to get me home..the time between this was both fun and horrible..I went along with her on the train and she was being very nice to me. She was acting like my little angel that I could'nt make a move on. So we get to kanes friends house (not even his gf's) and no ones in... we wasted how much time coming to this weird far away area called barnet..

I was pissed off but so was jess..I knew she liked him this whole time and it was killing me..He was acting like an idiot getting angry at me for not giving him cigarettes and making fun of him in general. I was definitely the alpha this time. He wasnt the best he could be and showed it. She sits next to me and i tell her we came all this way and wheres his gf? hes using a trick! come on dont fall for it babe! she sat next to me and hugged me. she started crying on my shoulder about him. She told me about her self harm in the past and i was concerned. I saw the scars and she told me she needed her scissors.....

I was then in a situation where she was crying because of kane and i had to comfort her while holding back my pain and love for her.So i did and held everything in . We traveled back and she was not sure who to believe. (SERIOUSLY?? i know right ) I stayed with her until she was in walking distance of her home but kane followed. His parents were angry so i offered for him to hang at mine. He didnt he got a lift in the end. I had to take a bus to central london and got picked up by my nan.

The next day I saw her was horrible to..In the past we argued because of my jealousy.. ( that was the reason we were arguing cause i felt us growing apart and tried to stop it by pointing it out and i couldn't stand the thought of other boys with her, including elliot and kane obviously) I never told her i was jealous until later on but anyway the next time i saw her it was going great. I was getting somewhere ..i was about to tell her how i felt in a clever way until kane came... he wasn't invited. I immediately expressed i was just in a bad mood and wanted to go home..she said she didn't want me to and gave me the i love you eyes.. ffs I'm so soft. I should of gone home. Me and kane argued.

I'm a peaceful guy and really never do anything like this to people i call friends but jealousy is a powerful emotion. Love and hate at the same time. I then in the middle of the argument and said "IM NOT JEALOUS" He never said anything about me being jealous until after i said this. I couldn't help it it was on my mind and i was upset and said it loudly and denied being jealous which i was..i thought i played it off nicely by changing the subject and generally the argument didn't make much sense anyway. It was like arguing with a drunk 4 year old.

Her status by the end of the night was "Now i understand" never got to find out what it meant and i feared the worst... the next day i had to watch her all over kane at thorpe park...it was killing me. I felt like I actually WANTED to fall out of saw the ride..she was just all hugging him and touching his arms and he had his arm around her..everyone was saying how they looked good together and that it was cute...GRRR. We had a argument on black berry messenger again (bbm) and she thought it was best to give our friendship a break cause we talked everyday on bbm for a year..

i agreed and saw her again at my birthday party on the 11th of november. My friend Leah. Basically my pivot. Told me all about her and kane in the time that me and jess had stopped talking to me. my pivot broke her best friends trust..telling me that jess and kane had gotten off ( kissed ) like 4 times.. i trusted my pivot with everything almost expecting for it to come out eventually but I didnt care i needed help i was feeling depressed....Was shit news to hear to be frank.

I backed off started acting blunt and distant. I told leah that it was my plan to get her back to talking to me again and have her do the work.... and that people should put her off kane cause it was unfair.. leah was on my side( its not really unfair. fair game to him. its life. but i said it cause i was upset) so she came to my party as that little angel i fell in love with and she was drunk. she was sick in my toilet to and what a mental birthday party it was... Personally i dont like the taste of sick so i didnt make a move...besides i still believed at this time to be mr nice guy and sensitive so i just let her have her way with me and Elliot ( just hugging and that a lot of touch ) leah told me after the party she was confused cause jess was giving me mixed signals ( as always and i didn't even know how to read an IOI properly at that point) i told jess every time i saw her and she left, I missed her. She showed her friends and they talked about me, i got told she had a hunch i liked her.

I was almost happy about it..I went in to depression smoking more and drinking more and trying to resist the urge of talking to her but little did i know while i was doing this kane was having his way with her but messed it up by telling joe md about their thing so thats another reason she don't trust him cause it was not exclusive. no one should of known, i almost wish i didn't know ( i don't actually go to the same school any more but i am returning soon after new years. so i don't get many opportunities , he gets loads..i backed off when i heard about em.. but i've made him look bad now but shes so forgiving one of my favorite things about her )while all this was happening i found out how he was having his way with her through detailed messages over facebook bragging about what he did and how he "won" he also told patrick my trusty wingman who got played by leah ( leah my pivot was pissed off with patrick cause he wouldnt make a move and respected her to much to use kino escalation at all . he then told her he would give her 50 quid for her birthday now that she was his gf..

god knows why they went in to a relationship well a pathetic excuse for one without even feeling comfortable holding hands.. i think $$ eyes went on in leah and she kept it going longer than she should of. patrick was in love and didnt see that she was no longer attracted to him but his money until i found out from leahs friend shaye that she was apparently "using" him so like any good friend should i told him and he told me about kane cause i had his back he had mine.) so anyway patrick told me about them two carrying on their little thing but they were not going out i will explain all in due time keep reading if you've got this far but.....i dont wanna go in to detail about what they did together but it was only getting off and touching.

remember this girl is 15 and is a virgin and probably a bad kisser but i still want to be that person kissing her not kane man! its painful to hear! anyway you guys aint my therapists but you are advice givers and masters of the game.. correct? so this is friend zone with a horrible twist for me . , i just want to be her man at the moment. so yeah i eventually told jess i knew about them 2 and she immediately corners my pivot who originally broke her best friends trust and now mine..but i dont blame her she had no choice i didnt tell her kane and patrick ( some other people to cant think of any off the top of my head i dont want to side track to much ) told me because her phone is broken so she assumed i sold her out so she sold me out... ahh i know all immature but most the kids my age are.

as for me? I've been told im beyond my years by far many times..and that i should forget about this girl cause shes to "immature" for me..well to be honest i cant control who im attracted to and its painful not doing anything about it so i did , i confronted her about kane and stated she was treating me like an idiot telling me lies and that she at one time never hesitated to tell me anything. i can see why she would lie to protect my feelings but i just had to break the silence. so this happened shortly after my party i just thought i had to do something if i wanted anything to happen.. and to stop playing nice guy..

so i thought why not tell her the explicit information kane sent me on facebook and how he told me in such detail. how he said i should not tell her or he would "beat the shit out of me" she then said oh he said he didn't say that ..but hes a good liar and i think she has a weak spot for him and not me..so i got leah out of shit but jess still said to me "i hate the sneakiness of you and trying to put me off someone, it just dont work like that" well it does cause thats what kane did to me but i held myself from saying that and wrote a very long reply giving myself plausible deniability about all of it and shes forgiving anyway and i can change what she thinks of me in the future.. but ..my pivot told me how kane made me look like the bad guy.

so you know what, if any of you don't think i should of made him look bad then thats fair enough and your entitled to your opinion and i will accept anything you have to say (even tho hes been such a wanker to me doing the same thing!) but i did it anyway so its done now.i know what i would of done if i could go back in time.. i would of used kino escalation and carried on with the whole mystery method..i even looked at subliminal patterns from ross jeffries and considered adding it to my game..i know exactly how i would of gone about it if i could go back a year.. i would not of ended in the friend zone and this would not be as painful but the thing is i cant do that!

i even had to refuse head from a girl at my birthday party cause i was feeling so confused about this and i still am! shes saying shes not with him but shes lied to me about him before so who says shes not just saying that to keep me happy...also the interesting thing about this is she has given me the puppy dog eyes a few times..but im not sure if its an IOI or her leading me on...

she is a player. she is slow but makes up for it by being intelligent in social dynamics but also with that said very impulsive...so anyway she understands a lot about all this im sure! but i just need you guys to give me advice on what to do now cause i am so stuck on this whole delicate situation. i had to make him look bad or it would of carried on..by doing that i made myself look bad through out some of the friendship but i can come across as some one completely different cause i have cut my hair since the party and started gym inspired by finding inner game and self improvement...she will hopefully think i have changed in a good way with the right tips from you guys. feel free to tell me what to do.

i am your little AFC robot who will master this and finally get HER. I also did not know any methods at all in the past with this girl and all this information I discovered from the internet about social dynamics was a phenomenon for me. this book and research on phycology and evolution and how attraction works is recent so my game should of improved or at-least my understanding for it.. My friends didn't know any better and i didn't think to myself ask google while all this was happening. I found out about the PUA community by reading "The game" So I thought I'd google PUA Mystery and thats how I'm here. I need your advice. I've got a rough idea on kino escalation. But I'm unsure on how she is going to react with me since all this rubbish has been going on..so I've come to the masters of pick up explaining the situation the best i can. im sure by the end of this your thinking for gods sake just get over her and get some practice the field and you'll be fine but im not fine man, i dont wanna move on right now.

I would love nothing more than for you guys to figure out a way around this..I need detailed ideas and information on how i could get this girl out of his arms and in to mine. The last thing i said to her on bbm was that i was going to let kane beat me up because i did'nt want to hurt who she cared about. I said i could'nt do that to you.. she said beat him up and take him to the floor he needs to be taught a lesson. I said im confused.. i thought you was you know.. she said no not really and that shes told me loads of time ( in the past they have been lies ) dw we're not going out and it dont matter. I said it matters because it determines how i treat you. waiting for her response. she hasn't read it yet i sent it a bit late so she will see it in the morning..
i forgot to mention..

i tried to make her jealous because kane did and asked her for advice on other girls like where i should take them and she said a concert of their favorite band. I've also told her that im not sure how im feeling about her at the moment and that i will have to see next time we meet. ( i did this because of the cat and the string theory where you want what you cant have so i thought next time i see her i would not act like i cared about her and neg her while building kino and get her attracted by trying to be alpha or something eh...) i have a rough idea but i need your opinion before i do anything and oh yeah kane wants to kill me. no worries. im a good fighter im not really gonna let him beat me up man. IM ASIAN I

HAVE BUILT IN KUNG FU. trust me. i will some how avoid the fight... i felt like saying ok well if your not with kane im taking you out to ( nice place dunno gimme ideas for a first date) but i held myself from typing that cause i think i need to see her first so she gets attracted with my new advice from you guys.. then phone her.i dont want to be a rebound either. i want a long relationship.

thank you so much for reading if you have and please dont be to harsh on me, i am a complete newbie. Willing to accept that. Now help me make myself pro please (would prefer brotherly written advice than links on videos altho anything is appreciated)
and yeah im english if you aint worked it out already.

I realize this is a troll post but I laughed out loud. 10/10

Actually it sounds funny and I know it is funny for most guys to read but I'm just looking for good advice on this. cause I often have seen a lot of guys fall in to friend zone category just like that so it can be relevant.

Paragraphs could come in handy here

OH MY GOSH LOL

Okay read this buddy, I wrote it

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my bad was speed typing and sort of forgot about the enter button...

Yes yes the links are all good but my situation has a sort of mean twist
I need some one to analyze this and decipher the right course of action for me
to get this Girl player, is there even a name for that? she has guys after her all the time

You're a 16 year old kid . . . take it easy on yourself.

1. This girl is about as mature as . . .well, a 16 year old. However, you're about as mature as a 10 year old. Now . . . you will deny this but that's what 10 year olds do right?

2. Pay attention to your English teachers. Your writing needs work and your story-telling skills are awful.

3. How many girls go to your school? You're fixated on this one. Figure out why.

4. All the things that seem sooooo important to you? Her, Kane, emotions, boyfriend/girlfriends . . . this is shit. Putting so much weight on these non-existing issues means you have nothing real in your life. You are creating/making up situations so you can exercise negative emotions:Worry, anger, fear, jealousy, etc . . .

5. Join a sports team. Focus on school. Try music. Take something seriously . . .

6. In regards to 'game', learn some manners. Learn to greet strangers. Learn to engage them in conversation. Learn to befriend them. Learn to share positive emotions. Learn to have fun.

1. I'm emotionally immature because of my inability to let go of the past. Also perhaps this has a lot to do with me smoking to much weed? I bury all this shit inside me and let it out on the internet or to my friends. I'm a teenager with lots of hormones and that. I'm not sure how it all works but I think hormones effect my emotions to an extent altho I accept that I came across as immature..Its only because I care so much about this girl for some reason. I don't know why!.. I'll tell you a story better. I was going out with this girl Charis for about 5 months. She approached me and we hit it off good for 2 months. Then things died down so I started buying her things.. spoiling her. ( think this says a lot about me ) I need to sort some shit out. I know...

So 3 months In we're getting drunk with a load of friends from my old school ( I have been kicked out of a lot of schools so I have a lot of social circles from years ago that I have kept active in) and things were going well. I left Charis talking to her girlfriends and socialized. I was feeling really tired and dozed off in one of the bedrooms. I wake up and the house had died down a lot. People were leaving and I was looking for Charis. Her friends gave me a weird look when I asked where she was. Something was up. My heart was racing. I ran up the stairs and there she was.

Giving this guy a love bite in the corner of the room. My heart skipped several beats as my love was on top of this stranger. He says " What are you doin buddy? This aint exactly a spectators sport " In his canadian accent. I said I'm not your fucking buddy as she turned around with a shocked face.

She said I thought you left and she covered her face.

She begged for me back. I took her back...She did roughly the same thing 2 months later..

Is it just me? Or are girls generally like that to boyfriends? Thats why I'm sort of delicate as such.

2. I hardly go to school. I direct and act. I pay more attention to my drama , maths and guitar teachers. Altho I have self taught myself a lot of guitar. "Yourself is the best teacher"

3. I wish I knew dude.. Its not like I don't know many girls or that none of them like me. I get phone calls from girls saying they miss me at the school and they wish that we'd hang out. But I get none from Jess and she's the one I care about for some reason.. Law of life you want what you cant have I guess.

4. Again I wish I knew why I consider these things important. I've fallen for her. Someone pick me up...? Aint we all been feeling like this at one point in our adolescence or Is it just me?

5. Try music? Ok. First thing you need to know about me is that my life is devoted to making good music. I'm not going to advertise my name but its literally all I do. Get home write a song. Send it off somewhere.. or jam with my friends. I'm a sweet peaceful loving unlucky hippy who just wants to be remembered for music.

6. Haha, this made me laugh. I'm Actually confident with strangers. I often engage strangers in conversation on a day to day basis. whether it be walking the dog or going to the gym. I have no problem approaching now. In-fact Its fun. I like to win groups over and add them all on facebook! I love the idea of meeting new people. Its exciting. Thats why I had such a good time in Thai Land and Philippines. Just when I take off that better me persona...I get back in to room and the reality kicks in. I think to much I know. But I manage to get myself down. I need a better mind set. Any ideas?

I stopped reading here, because honestly I know its not what you want to hear, but by this point in your story all the damage was done already and it's irreversable.

You're just 16 man, between 16 and 25 my heartfelt advice to you is to stay away from serious long relationships altogether.. Meet a lot of girls, you have much to learn and we all envy you to some extent because there is a lot of excitement you have yet to feel for the first time. Don't waste precious time tripping over one girl. Not at your age. I can't stress this enough.

From failure with this girl, you can learn several things.

1) Once a woman openly views you as her friend, your chances of getting romantic with this woman become ZERO. Every guy gets ONE chance, per girl, per lifetime. Don't ever forget this. It's the unfortunate truth with very few exceptions.. So few that pursuing them is just a waste of time at this point. Date many girls and learn how to play your cards right the first time around.. there is no such thing as a loss, just chances to learn and improve your game.

2) When a woman says she's not ready for a relationship, it means you didn't set off enough (or any) sparks inside her. What she's really saying is that she doesn't want a relationship with you.. If the right guy came along and swept her off her feet she'd date him in no time. Again, date a lot of women.. Utilize this forum for advice, learn how to play your cards right the first time around. For example, at this point being in a relationship shoudnt have even been part of the conversation. You should have gotten her out on a date properly (hopefully beginning to hint sexually in text/phone game), began kino, kissed her, etc before EVER indicating that you had ANY feelings for her verbally. I could go on all day.. learn from this forum man, ask questions.

3) It is NOT pathetic to stop talking to a girl after she rejects your romantic advance. On the contrary, it was the most alpha male action that you did the whole time.. And in her eyes, it was probably the one thing you did that actually DID make her feel attraction towards you. You have a lot to learn, but I have faith in you and we are here to help. Learn this and live by it: Guys and the women that they want to hook up with/date CANT be friends. Not after you make your intentions known, and she rejects you. Becoming friends, then good friends, then "best friends" is not a good thing. It's extremely counter productive.. you did the right thing by stopping talking to her. Do this to every girl that rejects you, and move on to the next one without giving her another thought. Unless of course, you genuinely want to be friends with her. But if you want her romantically, just forget it.

Use this board.. But if you want people to read and answer your questions, you need to make them more readable. For gods sake use paragraphs, and try to be way more concise.. Nobody wants to read a 30000 word essay with no paragraphs. be more specific and keep it to 1-2 paragraphs maximum. Feel free to PM me questions if you want advice

I stopped reading here, because honestly I know its not what you want to hear, but by this point in your story all the damage was done already and it's irreversable.

You're just 16 man, between 16 and 25 my heartfelt advice to you is to stay away from serious long relationships altogether.. Meet a lot of girls, you have much to learn and we all envy you to some extent because there is a lot of excitement you have yet to feel for the first time. Don't waste precious time tripping over one girl. Not at your age. I can't stress this enough.

From failure with this girl, you can learn several things.

1) Once a woman openly views you as her friend, your chances of getting romantic with this woman become ZERO. Every guy gets ONE chance, per girl, per lifetime. Don't ever forget this. It's the unfortunate truth with very few exceptions.. So few that pursuing them is just a waste of time at this point. Date many girls and learn how to play your cards right the first time around.. there is no such thing as a loss, just chances to learn and improve your game.

2) When a woman says she's not ready for a relationship, it means you didn't set off enough (or any) sparks inside her. What she's really saying is that she doesn't want a relationship with you.. If the right guy came along and swept her off her feet she'd date him in no time. Again, date a lot of women.. Utilize this forum for advice, learn how to play your cards right the first time around. For example, at this point being in a relationship shoudnt have even been part of the conversation. You should have gotten her out on a date properly (hopefully beginning to hint sexually in text/phone game), began kino, kissed her, etc before EVER indicating that you had ANY feelings for her verbally. I could go on all day.. learn from this forum man, ask questions.

3) It is NOT pathetic to stop talking to a girl after she rejects your romantic advance. On the contrary, it was the most alpha male action that you did the whole time.. And in her eyes, it was probably the one thing you did that actually DID make her feel attraction towards you. You have a lot to learn, but I have faith in you and we are here to help. Learn this and live by it: Guys and the women that they want to hook up with/date CANT be friends. Not after you make your intentions known, and she rejects you. Becoming friends, then good friends, then "best friends" is not a good thing. It's extremely counter productive.. you did the right thing by stopping talking to her. Do this to every girl that rejects you, and move on to the next one without giving her another thought. Unless of course, you genuinely want to be friends with her. But if you want her romantically, just forget it.

Use this board.. But if you want people to read and answer your questions, you need to make them more readable. For gods sake use paragraphs, and try to be way more concise.. Nobody wants to read a 30000 word essay with no paragraphs. be more specific and keep it to 1-2 paragraphs maximum. Feel free to PM me questions if you want advice

Of the several suggestions offered in #6, you focused on 1 and disregarded the others. Again, you're 16. Not many 16 year olds take much seriously but you do seem a bit disconnected. You say you focus on music but the way you describe it, you only do it because it's cake. Go home, jam a little, send it off to friends. . .

Everything we understand is derived from a reference point. Right is right because there is a left. Hot is hot because there is a cold. For you, a silly melodrama session with a goofy chick seems serious because everything else you do in life is a slack job. So you can tell yourself that this cheesy crap you do with this girl is utterly ridiculous but you probably won't believe it. (Believe me, in 5 years you'll laugh at yourself now) Or you can take some things in life seriously one at a time. Now I know you're 'into' music but the particulars aren't as important as how much effort and care you put into it.

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I will stay friends with her and keep her as a valuable pivot.
Altho I am quite disheartened. I thought you guys would have an idea to get her.

Go to Ross Jeffries website, Seduction.com, and sign up for his free course. From Buddies to Bedmates.

The information is solid enough, you'll get a deal of it for free, and you might be able to back up some of the damage. I stopped reading after awhile, but, I always believe in a comeback. So give it a try. It's free after all, all you stand to lose is a little time.