Here's my story...

About 3 months ago I met this girl I was talking to through a forum in a get together event with some of the people in that forum, first she was not going to that event because she had other plans that night, but I easily convinced her to come by and stay for a while so we could meet even if that would be for a short moment (about an hour). So she came by, we talked briefly about usual stuff...then she got to that "other plan" which was meeting a guy she was attracted to..I only knew this 3 or 4 days later when I added her on my msn messenger list...before that we talked through private messages on the forum and not quite frequently.

So we started talking almost daily on msn...and like I said earlier, 3 or 4 days later she told me where she had gone that night and that she met this guy she really liked and that she was hoping that he would call her..which he did maybe 1 week later...then their relation started, she didn't connected on msn for about 3 or 4 weeks so I deleted her..then about 1 month later the relation started it was already over so she started talking to me again. Oh by the way...during that 1 month I hadn't talked to her, a friend of mine talked to me about "The Game" by Neil Strauss which I just finished reading...it tooked me about 3 weeks. So anyways...she was talking to me about that guy how much she loved him but the guy wasn't ready for that kind of relationship...my personnal opinion is that he was just playing with her. Even before reading "the game" I knew I wasn't in a good position because I was building a confident-gay-friend relationship with her and I tried to be something different by teasing her, negging her frequently but I don't know if it worked.

Yesterday, I finally met her again after a few tries to see each other, it's not that she didn't want to, but she was always busy with some other stuff when I was free, and I was busy with some other stuff when she was free. But yesterday I already had plans to have 2 friends of mine to come by at my place and get drunk, so I asked her if she was cool with that and she was...(she really likes to drink, she drinks as much as any other of my male friends) I wasn't entirelly but I knew I wouldn't have competition because one of my friend has a girlfriend and the other has a crush on a girl and also because he's so pathetic when he's drunk that he couldn't have a chance anyways. So the night went well..as far as I remember, she was very friendly with my other friends and within 5 minutes everyone loved her as if she was already one of our good friends, mainly because we all loved the same things...music, movies etc...

During the night she was kinda flirting with my friend who has a solid relation with his girlfriend, but I don't know if that was because she was really interested in him or to make me a little jealous...maybe both...and that's where I need help to understand it...Also, my title mentions that she's a fucked-up girl...and she really is, she has a lot of experience in life even if she's just 20..she identifies herself like someone troubled who troubles others, she said that she insn't a romantic, sensual, or erotic person...but a sexual one. (she was drunk so I don't know if she was joking) She's the kind of girl that thinks white for a moment then it becomes black without knowing why. She's a complex person, still..I'd like to bang her real good, she must be awesome in bed. So..yeah... during the night I teased and negged her like I do on msn, I think I complimented her 1 or 2 times just to make sure she doesn't think I hate her or something.

So finally one of my friend goes back home (the one with the girlfriend) and my other friend is so drunk he can hardly speak or move...so she says to him "Are you leaving soon ?" I was happy to hear that because I thought she wanted to be alone with me. Moments later my drunk friend decides it's time for him to go, but the girl says she was hungry so we all went out to get my friend a cab and to go eat...but instead of eating we stopped at a bar and ordered 1 drink each, on my drunk friend credit card . Then the girl decided it's time to go home too, it was 3 am and she had to wake up at 8 am to get to her parents house for christmas. So my drunk friend and the girl take the same taxi...So now I have some questions running through my head like..."did they did something ?" logically I don't think so because as soon as she got back home she was chatting with me on msn...so I figured...nothing happened or if something happened it must have been something like making out in the taxi...or my drunk friend to ask the girl if he could sleep at her place...but she didn't seem to appreciate the guy during the whole night mainly because he's an engineer and she hates them all for some reason. But she's so unpredictable that anything could have happened.

I hadn't spoke to my drunk friend yet so I can't ask him anything...and I don't know if he would tell me the truth anyway..even if I specified to him not to hit on her...but when this guy is drunk he just doesn't give a shit about anything.

So that's my AFC story...do you guys think anything happened ? what should I do with this girl to get her in my bed ?..because that's all I want from her...or maybe a short relation ship too maybe she could surprise me but...she's not the kind of girl I'm looking for a good and stable relationship.

i know the type, she's the kind of girl where u need to not overthink things. ur analysing every single detail 2 death, if im not mistaken shes the kind of girl that has more guy friends than girls cos according 2 her "she clicks better with guys". im pretty sure shes looking 2 get laid too. but shes grown comfortable to u, and uve entered that damn "friend zone". she wasnt trying 2 make u jealous she was trying 2 hit it off with ur friend(the one with th gf). she doesnt want a rlnship with that guy, she doesnt want to have him break up with his gf, she just wants have something physical, a one-time thing.
if i was right about the whole "having more guy friends", that means she's used to trying to be the center of attention cos she's used 2 it.
My advice: you be the center of attention, try going out in a bigger group and steal her thunder, make sure no one pays attention 2 her, she'll go crazy and when she's about 2 snap, turn ur attention 2 her.

Well first of all you are concentration to much though onto this one girl. I mean, who cares what she did with your friend. Reading your story I take it you were probley pretty jealous when she left with your friend. She is not even your "girl" and you are showing signs of jealousy. It an very unsexy sin.

Second... You just want this girl to fuck... then tell her that. Escalate your intentions at first with some kino, and start showing that you are interested, call her sexy. Gaze into her eyes, and tell her the truth. I know you probley won't tell the truth, but it's alot better then lying to a woman and then bedding her and then ditching her, thinking that she just wanted sex. When who know she may have wanted a real connections. Ask this girl what she wants, don't presume. Honestly I have no respect for guys who just try to sleep with chicks and won't even tell the girl his intentions.....

Thats all I have to say.

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-Shaft

Alright thank you guys for your help..here's a little update : She didn't do anything with my other friend, my friend told me she gave her her phone number but she said she don't even remember...and yes I must say I was pretty jealous that night because that would have pissed me off if my friend who was everything but attractive that night would have succeed in any way with that girl before me.

As for the "I just want to fuck her" part, I'm saying that because I feel that having a real relationship with her would be kinda hard and demanding, well that's what I think, maybe it's completely different than I imagine...after all, for the time she was with that other guy she focused all her attention on him, and none on others. I mean, I really like this girl we love all the same things and stuff but I would have difficulty to completely trust her since she's so unpredictable...so I'm not sure what to think anymore...I'd like her as a girlfriend if I was sure she wouldn't mess it up, because I wouldn't.

And yes Phrozen, she really likes to be the center of attention, althought she told me this week that she's trying to be more "low profile" these days, she also told me that she was tired of weird people, that she needed more "normal" persons in her life..and I told her the complete opposite..that I was tired to be a low profile person, and that I want more weird people in my life...and it's true...well not completely..I don't want LOTS of weird people around me, just one would be enough.

But I'm not sure if she has more guy friends than girls, I just know her for now, not her friends, but she clearly has no problem hanging out with guys that's for sure.

So basically I think i'll take both of your advices..when I see her again if we meet alone just the two of us I'll ask her what she wants from me...if we meet in group i'll try to get all the attention on me...but I'd really prefer to meet her face to face...well face to beer to beer to face.

By the way : sorry if my english is not perfect, I'm just a goddamn french-canadian frog

An other update : She came by over my appartment last night, she told me she wanted to drink a few beers with me but that she had to leave early since she was working this morning...so she came by with a 6 pack...we started talking while drinking....well...SHE was talking and I was listening because I could barely place a word in the whole conversation because she was telling me stories that happened to her such as her crazy cousin who hate her for some dumb reasons, her crazy roommate, her psychological problems...I could just briefly react to the events she told me she went through.

I mean...during almost 2 hours...70% of the time she was the one talking and she didn't seemed to bother, she was even enjoying it...but that puts me in a very bad situation if I want anything to happen between me and her...I felt like I was reinforcing that gay-confident-friend relationship.

And the time restraint wasn't helping...so the next time she wants to come by, she should come earlier so we could...

A. Just talk about some other stuff and get more drunk, especially her since she really enjoys being drunk...and it would be easier for me to make some right moves...and eventually, trying to kino her, then escalate from there.

or

B. Watch a movie together. I have some movies I want to show her that she might like, and we talked about it several times...and maybe getting a little drunk at the same time, but I'm afraid of what will happen after the movie...meaning...probably nothing...so I'd prefer plan A

What do you guys think ?

.....Plan A.... you want to get her drunk so it would be easier for you to make some "right moves"......... So basically... you want to get her drunk so you can take advantage of that situation? Am I correct in this statement... because that is what I gathered from that comment.

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-Shaft

Well the thing with that girl is that she ALWAYS wants to get drunk...I don't know if that makes her easier to get since I just saw her a little tipsy (the first post I made...she tooked around 6 beers in the whole night)...as for me when I'm a little bit drunk it just makes me more confident and less scared...I know it sounds sad but I really don't think I'm the only one in this situation...and I'm making progression, because let's say one year ago I had to be wasted to make some moves on girls...and yes it did worked...sometimes

I know this all sounds very pathetic...but for now it's the only way I could get her, I'm no expert in the game and I don't have a lot of material..that's why I post in the Newbie section...I need advices, not judgement.

Your drinking as well... ok well thats better. It just looked like you were gonna get her drunk and stay sober. But there is nothing wrong with getting lubricated as Monkey puts it. Some people prefer not to drink when they sarge, some like to have a few. For me, I usually will start out with a few and run game and I usually end up getting loaded near the end of the night. But hey I am 21 and still young and I love to drink too.

But as for this date that will be going on... do you just plan on watching a movie at home? You already have a rapport with this girl and she obviously feels comfortable with you since she comes over to your place. If you do go with plan A I would suggest you trying to control the conversation with some of your own stories and experiences. Maybe some stories about being drunk and stupid since she likes to get drunk too. But the key to that is trying to control the conversation. If you allow her to control it she is just going to assume she can dump everything on you and you will get into the LJBF zone. I would suggest trying to get some early kino out there... maybe show sexual interest by saying she looks sexy today. The key is though you dont wanna overdue it lik emost AFCs do. You just wanna plant a seed.

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Party on Wayne! Party on Garth!
-Shaft