Hi there,

I'm a new member so forgive me for asking foolish questions for the moment.

While reading Mystery's well-known book (The Mystery Method How To Get Beautiful Women Into Bed), I stumbled upon something interesting:

"Along those same lines, this book also will work wonders for you if
your relations with women have been hindered by your perception,
true or not, that you're physically unattractive. In fact, you have less to
worry about than the geek, because the "attraction circuits" of women
are calibrated to find a man attractive not measured primarily by
handsomeness or physique but rather by social value. It's not as much
about looks as it is about conveying that you are the "tribal leader."

Is this really true? Perhaps Mystery doesn't take into account the fact that men generally put more effort into attracting a beatiful woman. However, that in my opinion doesn't necessarily mean that woman value looks to a lesser extent. It could be that men have a higher sex drive (which is correct if I'm not mistaken).

Do you really see more average looking men with hot woman than average looking woman with hot men?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Perhaps I should have posted this message in a different subforum.

men put value in looks

women put value in "authority" which can come from looks OR money OR any number of other characteristics.

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what dr. house brings to medicine, i bring to everyday life (an extreme dose of cynicism), don't listen to the curmudgeon!

Tuna I absolutely believe what Mystery says here and you would be wise to accept it over all the nebulous non-sense purported by the media. It has taken me years to come to this conclusion

Once you accept and work within the proper frame work of Social value or authority as Mack says, you will know how to game effectively. Deny this truism an your headed for years of idealistic failure with woman.

You ask about attractive status between couples? When you see a hot chick look for a guy that is a social tard despite his handsome features, oh ya you wont find that. Now look for a average looking guy with a hot chcik, you see those all over. What non-gay AFCs tend to do is associate high status males with being good looking, but if you really look at most famous PUA's you will notice they arnt really very good looking they just handle their shit well and work with what they have. By doing this with style and social aplomb they give the illusion of being good looking.

Looks are all a matter of opinion, our opinion about someones looks can change based of how we perceive them. If we're analyzing boy friends of hot chicks, everyone will automatically say they're better looking than they are, due to the fact they have such a high social status.

Yes, I agree. From what I've seen, for example on VH1's TV show, is that most of them are quite average, they're certainly not Ryan Gosling look-a-likes. However, they do showcase a great deal of confidence and all the other "social values".

It's all about how you convey yourself, everyone's seen the ugly motherfucker at a party pull some girls, how? I wouldnt say tribal leader, its the fact that he can control the room and everyone's attention through humor stories friendships ((not through peacocking)), this vibe is very contagious. The guy has to be socially intellegent. That's really all it takes. Polite, playful, willing to walk away, ability to listen as well as leqd the people around you. That's what women find attractive, along with preselection. These traits show success in life, and that they will be able to take care of her needs in a relationship. It goes a little deeper than that i just don't wanna continue typing lol

At the same time men don't really look at just looks, they look for overall health, which looks do tie into. You can have the hottest girl in the room but if shes a whore or has no idea how to act in a social setting that will lower both the guys and the girls value.

Aka: Social Status

I like this definition of social status, tpuh did a good job if he was trying to explain it.

I won't say men value looks more, but more than men put more importance on looks as we are more physical than girls. This is not to say girls don't put an importance on looks as they do, but it as not as much compared to guys. And its not like guys don't put an importance on other things like a girl's personality. Because how attractive is a girl that is physically hot but has no personality or is a total bitch?

think of it like this, women have this line of fuckable and not fuckable, you have to pass this line for it to not be a deal breaker, any looks past that point are just a bonus, the more looks you have, the less game you need, but womans agenda is seek out a monogomous mate that can give her a good life and take care of kids and won't ditch her once the kids are poppin out, so they value other qualties more then just looks that men don't value, how ever, genetic properties are still important, overall woman are more picky then men about who they sleep with, you need to be the whole package, you don't have to be tom cruise, but you have to at the very least be physically acceptable to the woman, but looks are subjective to the person, and women have a much wider range taste for looks then men, and their value on looks shifts during their menstral cycle from a preference to more masculin men, vs a preference to more feminen looking men, but over all a-symetry and being overweight are seen as unattractive traits, they also have this wounderful thing called asd that makes them act crazy all the time