So lastnight i went out clubbing, because of the weather, it was relatively empty. However, after dancing with a couple girls, towards the later end of the night these four girls walk in. I approach them, and talk to one of them who was the only single and non lesbian, and she says "not right now, we're having a girl's night, but later." It was so textbook, like if any of you have read "The Game", we're talking like when Style goes for the 11. These girls were the hottest women in the club, and they knew it. They were walking around holding eachothers hands, and disregaurding every male that approached them.

So later on, she sits down for a moment, so i go up and i approach her. She was absolutely the most attractive girl that was in the club, i actually had to give it my all. I take her hand, lead her to the floor and we danced for a little. After like 5-10 minutes, i told her we were heading out, and asked for her number. She says "I'm not going to give you my number hun, sorry, me and the girls made a deal we can't give out our numbers tonight." So i found a couple clever ways to keep trying, basically it wouldn't work.

So i get that there are rare occasions where you just can't win, but it was inspiring going for an absolute 10. It really makes you realize how pickup can help you. Now, granted, i should have negged her, and done some other stuff, but i figured i'd rather be natural and try not to think about it too much.

Tips? What would you guys have done in a difficult situation like that, or has anyone encountered that same response to a number close?

Thanks guys.

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I've had a similar response about a billion times. It's always just an excuse, if they want to give you there number, they'll give it to you, regardless of what their girlfriends want. A typical thing i get is "my friend wants to dance with you" as a blow off, haha. But that's fine. It's all about having the balls to go up and do it, which you have, and i commend you in that:)

Thanks man, it's actually refreshing to hear that. No i didn't succeed in getting her number, but it was my 18th and my first night going to a real club. It's definitely inspired me to start practicing pickup again, even now, i can look back and think what would have been better to say when i was talking to her.

And yeah, i've gotten the friend thing, and i can almost always tell when they're just bullshitting you. But i felt so out of my league and challenged (in a good way) that i wasn't sure what i should have done differently. Now that i'm thinking back on it, it's much more clear what i should have done.

Thanks, i'll keep trying hah.

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The fact that you felt out of your league will come across in all interactions with her. If you DHV she will eventually believe that you are higher value, so that's always a good mindset to go in with, it's almost essential if you want to get anywhere. It's very powerful, because they eventually start thinking you must be higher value than them.

Ah yeah, i forget about DHV'ing. I was never too good at DHV stories either, but that's also a good tip. I'll definitely change my approach next time.

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I'm not good at DHV stories either, that is not how i DHV. I was referring to having that mindset, and as a result, you naturally come across more powerful.

You should have asked for her e-mail when she said it, and if she continues to try and blow you off I would have at least gone C&F on her ass with a bit of negging and would bring the whole group in it as well. And depending on the girl I would have started to flirt with one or all her friends right there and now. Not because I was mad (why would I be mad that some girl blew me off?) I more do it more to have fun with them and mess with them and then walk away giving them nothing and asking nothing from them.
Wouldn't have cared how hot they where and game them like if they where any other girl. I have a feeling from reading your first post that you put the girl on at least bit of a pedestal. Because of this I bet you gamed her differently than you would normally. She saw this and I bet within 30 seconds of talking to you knew she was not going to give her number to you.

Oh ok, gotcha. Yeah, i mean when you're just emanating confidence, things tend to go better for obvious reasons. I was too nice...Not enough negs.

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[/quote]You should have asked for her e-mail when she said it, and if she continues to try and blow you off I would have at least gone C&F on her ass with a bit of negging and would bring the whole group in it as well. And depending on the girl I would have started to flirt with one or all her friends right there and now. Not because I was mad (why would I be mad that some girl blew me off?) I more do it more to have fun with them and mess with them and then walk away giving them nothing and asking nothing from them.

.[/quote]Wouldn't have cared how hot they where and game them like if they where any other girl. I have a feeling from reading your first post that you put the girl on at least bit of a pedestal. Because of this I bet you gamed her differently than you would normally. She saw this and I bet within 30 seconds of talking to you knew she was not going to give her number to you.[/quote]

You're right, i definitely knew how hot she was, but i tried not to let that affect my game. And i would have talked to her friends, but they were covered in multiple bitch shields, i swear. They just wouldn't respond to you, i think you'd literally have to just walk up and neg them to their face. And literally all they did was dance, so it would have been hard to sit down and talk.

I also thought i was getting a few IOI's, i grabbed her hand and touched appropriately, and she responded to it. I can't remember why, but i gained some distance for a sec, and she looked at me, and pulled me back in with her to dance, so when i got rejected for the number i was a little confused. God gaming 10's truthfully requires a different method.

One more thing, you guys got any good versatile negs? I'll have to start using them more.

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Its going to affect your game until their physical attraction doesn't get to you anymore. I am not saying you can't be turned on by them but more their physical looks takes over your mind. And in turn it messes with your thinking. Just look at how you where at the time talking to this girl and how much clearer you are thinking now about what went down and what you could have said or done.
This is one of the reasons why I say game them like any other girl. As there are hot girls that are use to being put on a pedestal by guys and such they are not use to be treated like any other girl. I mean really what makes a 10 so different from any other girl? The answer is nothing. Ya she may be a 10 physically but her personality can be a 3. This isn't even taking the fact that she may be hot now, but dam ugly in 10 years and she find it harder to get guys.
Ever heard of teasing? Because that sounds like what happened here. I am not trying to be rude, but you need to work on reading girls better and be able learn the difference between true IOI's and a girl that is teasing you. As you said these girls know they are hot and such they want and love attention. If she was dancing the take her dam hand and take her off the dance floor to talk to her, if her friends follow, have a party with them. By that talk to all of them, and so what if they throw up bitch shields and what have you, at the very least have fun with it and when you had enough fun walk away and game other girls.
False. If you think this, you will fail with 10's more often than you think. Dude take my word for it and game them like any other girl and adjust your game to her NOT her looks. Like I said before 10s are no different than any other girl out there. There is NO reason to game them different.
Sorry I don't have any stock negs to give ya, as most of the things I do and say I come up on the spot.

Well thanks man, loads of feedback and help. In my mind, i feel i needed to be more dominant, and make her comply and jump through the hoops rather than me. Do you agree?

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Very much so. You really don't need to be that dominant, just enough that it shows. If you take it more than that then you best know how to think on your feet and quickly. But you should practice just talking to hotter girls and getting comfortable with them because I think you will see that they are really no different than from any other girl. And once you done that you can move on to becoming more dominate and what have you. And your welcome.

The girls physical beauty has nothing to do with it. What you just encountered was a "time waster." TWs are chicks that are in an "auto rejection" state of mind and will pretty much reject any guy no matter how awesome he is. TWs are in the club for validation and attention only. Thats why they cam in holding each others hands and shit (getting attention) and why she would dance with you (getting validation) but would not give you her number.

Its important to realize that even though they was in auto rejection this week, the next time you see them they may very well be out looking for some dick.

Sometimes, for whatever reason, women need a self esteem boost and will hea dout to the club in auto rejection mode. Spotting time wasters will greatly improve your efficiency and make your results better.

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Thanks man, i felt like i could have done better, but i also got that feeling they were just doing it for attention and validation.

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ok, in my opinion, there are NO time wasters. Every female has feelings and reactions to what is said to them, regardless if they're a 10 or a 2.5.

So, with regards to your situation in the club - you had already managed to get her attention by simply dancing with her - from here, i would of simply spun her around and at the same time given her some kind of neg, for example: She's a really poor spinner, or something along these lines, and tell her to try again, maybe telling her that it was SLIGHTLY better second time around. Its being playful. At this point you show her that your not in ore of everything, if anything, she does. It would simply be a starting point.

Peace out.

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