Some sluts, or quite experienced women try to judge or subconsciously judge a guy by his level of confidence exhibited by his voice tone, his happiness, his body language, some women demand a high level of confidence(as they relate it to satisfaction in sex), can PUA skills substitute for this or is confidence something which can be exhibited to any level.
Is positive thinking enough to increase it.
Can you just pretend and show more confidence and women will be ok with it. ?

Real confidence will always look and feel better to woman than any act. If you're acting you'll be highly likely to stuff up in some way, you'll have higher anxiety, and your ingenuity will come through in your energy.

Confidence can be a very vague term, but in general, it's one of the strong foundations in PUA.

so how can you build it - with PUA skills ?

I'm assuming you are referring to outer game as (PUA skills)?

You want to be have skills such as Cocky and funny, teasing, etc and still have confidence? I found for me, working on my inner game gave me more confidence, and as a result, outer game came naturally. Although, i'm not really sure as to what you're asking

Confidence came to me through trial and error. Getting blown out a shit load of times until I found what worked for me. Once I knew I could do each step of the attraction process consistently, I didn't project confidence; I oscillated it.

Inner game is a solid foundation, and PUA skills helped build my confidence. As a result, when my confidence was in place, my PUA skills seemed to upgrade. As though they were more potent and more effective by 5-fold. Inner game is the power punch supplement to outer game, and outer game can help build inner game. At least, that's been my experience.


-Ruggedized

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If you have flawless inner game, outer game doesn't exist.

Yea PUA skills can mean so many different things your basically asking "are real life skills going to help me with confidence?" It's not a easy question to answer. Like Rugged said experience is the best confidence booster (if used properly), go out and try some kino, when you see how easy it is you gain confidence; go for a #close, when you see how easy that is you gain confidence. Just go for something that you'd never dare to do - and when you see it's actually not half bad you'll do it again but more confidently.

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I disagree. I have a friend who served overseas with me. He is not afraid at all to go talk to women. He's a very confident person in all that he does, and it shows. He just doesn't hold the woman's attention for very long, because the things he is interested in are just not really appealing to women. He just doesn't know how to talk to women, but his inner game is extremely solid. Granted, every once in a while he'll get a woman who will sleep with him because they sense his confidence and that's all they need to get their rocks off. But generally he gets left behind politely by the girl.


-Ruggedized

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If you have enough passion about what you are talking about to a woman they're very likely to find it interesting. Women aren't looking for you to talk about the magical subject, they're looking for the energy you deliver it with, if you're truly excited about what you're talking about and excited about the woman in front of you, you have masculine qualities, you're moving forward verbally, physically, and letting the sexual tension linger, even being C&F because you love how it feels and makes the conversation fun, and you know she's having fun too. You may call a lot of this outer game, but if it's coming natural to you, because it's entertaining, and you love how fun the conversations are, it's Natural/inner game.

Just from that brief skim of the surface on inner game, you can get more than enough women if you're approaching all the time. Inner game is not just confidence, it's also very inaccurate to say you know that someone has flawless inner game when really the only person who knows is that person themselves.

Maybe i'm getting terminology slightly mixed up and counting natural game as inner game. But once you know yourself and know your reality and what you're in, you don't need to memorize outer game material if you have flawless inner game, even though lots of this can be considered outer game, if you have a flawless inner game, then all of this stuff that gets taught in outer game is natural to you, and is in fact, your inner game, because it's who you are.


http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions/inner-game/

Sorry if this reply was slightly confusing, i had to type it in 2-3mins, in a rush.

That does make sense, and you're right, only he knows how confident he really is. He may not be talking about things he's passionate about. He describes it as "She's into me at first, then loses interest." He's not worried about picking up women, or at least he doesn't voice it. My point was that he carries himself, speaks, and oscillates confidently while not knowing the attraction process and it hinders his number and/or quality of women. At least while I'm with him. Again, you make a good point, I just think understanding the interaction on a conscious level makes my inner game that much better, because I'm watching the success, or failure, where I couldn't see it before. Ah the complexity of pickup!


-Ruggedized

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And you're right again! At a certain point, it definitely does become something natural and is no longer "material."

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Thanks for seeing my points, regardless of my poor paragraph and sentence structure. You fully understood what i was trying to say, and now i'm pretty sure i see more where you were coming from too.
Agree fully that it's very complex and in depth to unravel, regardless if it can just be broken down into inner and outer game.

You helped explain I was conveying, i still want to say this though for others reading. Take an outer game mechanism such as posture, you're constantly reinforcing in your head that you need to pull your chest up and out and relax your shoulders. You consciously remind yourself of that, when you're buying your groceries, walking outside, entering a bar, approaching an attractive prospect, any time you're in these situations reminding yourself to pull correct your posture. Since you're consciously reminding yourself to do it, and reminding yourself to do it so you can be noticed by others around you, this is outer game. But you're also doing it so it will eventually become natural, it will eventually feel better to have that posture, and going back to how you use to do walk and stand would require conscious effort. So the posture is now part of your inner game. It's fully converted.

It's all to do with your habits, forcing yourself to do outer game things so they can try and become an inner game mechanism.

You can change your personality completely! Although it might be for the worse!, i.e. You read that it's good to be an arsehole, so you go around insulting everyone untill it's natural for you. This is why it's very important to learn the outer game that you want to be apart of you, and that you think is congruent with your personality.

There it is. Very well worded this time around.

For everyone else reading, we weren't actually disagreeing, it was the categorization, time scale of which point the pua is on his journey, and ultimately mi100098 was able to verbally collaborate what we were both trying to say. This was actually a good excercise because it proposed a problem, both PUA's had experience and knowledge, but thought they disagreed. When it was broken down, both were actually trying to say the same thing, but started at opposite ends of the scale.

we didn't get pissed and start name calling on the forum. It was just analyzed and handled like professionals. You don't see that very often anymore. Good banter, mi100098!

-Ruggedized

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Words of wisdom, Ruggedized, very good point you've transmitted. Trying to understand what the other person is saying first is always more effective than hollering over the top of them, as demonstrated by both of us, as we both took ego(trying to win) out of the equation.