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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:16 am 
Hello guy. So I've been sarging for a while sometimes successfuly, sometimes not but let's get to the point. There's this female that would always make me feel miserably. It's usually when me/we approach a set of girs that outnumber us/me and while gaming some of them that's when it happens. She would allways say stuff like:"we don't want u, we're on a girl night out" or watever. I've tryed being cheeky and go like:"don't worry dear u're not my type", but that turned her even madder. So I got rejected by a girl who I haven't even talked to and I feel helpless against it.


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Approach the alpha female first. find out who is leader and basically befriend them. If they say they are on a girls night out pretend it isn't significant and say something along the lines of "That's pretty cool, I just love it when people are so tight with each other. How did you meet?"

Find out who is the alpha female and befriend her but don't try to attract her.


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Oh God. My exes roommate was like this. A fake little barbie doll that would act like she was the best thing in the world. So annoying. I wouldn't even know what to do with people like that. I mean basically if she doesn't think you're hot she would put her hand in your face and tell you to go away. Not really much to do in that situation.

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She sounds like a loser. And indeed, you shouldn't even want someone like that. :/


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Oh God. My exes roommate was like this. A fake little barbie doll that would act like she was the best thing in the world. So annoying. I wouldn't even know what to do with people like that. I mean basically if she doesn't think you're hot she would put her hand in your face and tell you to go away. Not really much to do in that situation.
i would say "oo big hands, mine are bigger tho *put my hand on hers*" :P

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YES AGREE WITH sealth hawk... hell even high five her!!


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Tell her if she's looking to grab onto something she needs to go lower :D


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the way I see it depending on the situation you have a few options, your first option is to nip that in bud immediately with some domination and prepare for a battle to put her in her place (this must be done absolutely 100% belief in yourself) without getting angry, or starting to whine about it, be more harsh to her, make her feel like not speaking out against you (this is of coarse if you can handle this)

some canned lines from the memory bank for you would be

''ohhh look its the leader of the gang, do you tell everybody what to do to?''

''you know the shit coming out of your mouth is unbelievable, do you have anymore diarrhea you want to spew from that stink hole?''

''just cause your not getting any guys doesn't mean you should cock block me, DON'T BE A BITCH''

''SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, JUST BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS YOU DOESN'T MEEN THE GIRLS HERE WHO CAN ACTUALLY GET SOME WANT TO LISTEN TO YOUR CRAP''

''shut up, no one likes you''


prepare for a furious argument, if she thinks you are likely to fold under-pressure and she has big numbers of safety around her she is going to come at you like a crazy spider monkey, take note that this option will most likely blow you out from the group you are trying to get with, but that is ok and is not the point of this, if you have to be around this person in the future, she will walk all over you if you don't set the ''DON'T FUCK WITH ME BOUNDARIES'' she has to realize that you are not one of which she can fuck with, without having her rudeness returned in an extremely overwhelming fashion, if she throws a drink at you, throw one back at her, if she hits you, stay calm and keep announcing what she is doing, and how negative it is, statement after statement about her, question after question about her

the trick is detach yourself from the situation and make sure it has no emotional bearing on you, interrupt her and project your voice confidently, don't get mad, just be very clear and very rude, you want her to feel as if when she talks negatively she will be put down and told what to do, focus on her completely if you lose focus and start emotionally reacting you will notice as a side effect your focus will shift internally to your self, you will stop giving commands to her, come off less confident and start qualifying yourself because she is holding a stronger frame, everything is related to ''YOU'', not ''I'', hold very strong eye contact and be dead serious until she starts qualifying herself/apologizes/crys and runs off, never take any blame for anything you say, it is all her fault, everything is on her and has nothing to do with you, you are simply projecting on her no matter what anyone says or does, you don't apologize you are right they are wrong PLOW PLOW PLOW be a dickhead, and if you do this properly, this girl will behave for a really really long time




second option, good old goofy positive re-frames on everything she does,

here are some canned re-frames for you that I could think of for that particular situation you gave an example of:

''oh I get it, you are in love with me but trying to hide it, that is so cute, you don't have to play hard to get, I like honest girls''

''ohhhhh I seeee, so when it is not a girls night out, you all want me :D well I knew you were into me no need to make excuses''

''GIRLS NIGHTS OUT ARE ALL ABOUT GUYS, DON'T BE CRAZY, YOU WANT ME, I CAN TELL BY THE WAY YOU LOOK ME UP AND DOWN, YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH ME'' (prepare for random shit test, just counter it with your mom *what ever she says or mock her and say you're cute*)

''DON'T BE CRAZY, I SEE THE WAY YOU LOOK ME UP AND DOWN, YOU ARE PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT LICKING ME UP AND DOWN LIKE AN ICE CREAM CONE RIGHT NOW, WE CAN ALL SEE THROUGH IT, DON'T EVEN PRETEND (same as above alot of variations of this same thing can be used)

''girls night shmirlsnight, don't be weird, you know you love a good time and hot dude, don't even lie''


''OHHH FUCK OFF *playfully*, your like the cute little teddy bear that makes money off hugs then doesn't want hugs anymore, don't worry Ill still hug you'' (then go for hug expect she is going to try to stop you/resist, just keep teasing her for being the grumpy teddy bear who ruins everyone's fun)


''YOU'RE LIKE THE GRINCH THAT STOLE GOING OUT AND HAVING FUNS-MAS, WHAT'S NEXT ARE YOU GONNA GATHER UP ALL THE WHOS DOWN IN WHOVILLE, AND RUIN THE NIGHT FOR EVERYONE?''

''YOU ARE SO RIGHT, NO ONE WANTS ME, IM GOING TO DIE ALONE, AFTER ALL IT IS A GIRLS NIGHT OUT''

''WELL THEN GUESS ILL GO KILL MYSELF SINCE IT IS GIRLS NIGHT OUT, AND EVERYONE HATES ME'' (make sure you do this is a really sarcastic cheeky way and find self amusement in it)



third option, pretend she does not exist, don't acknowledge she spoke at all, for the rest of your night, your job is to continually ignore her, give every single person attention, start conversations, your favorite words to say to her are, OH THATS NICE, I DUNNO, AWW THATS COOL, AWESOME!, OHHH WOW SO INTERESTING, YOU DON'T SAY, and REALLY?,

anything she says or does in an attempt to speak to you directly gets one of those above stock responses, for the rest of the night you are not to speak with her, she is on time out


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My method for dealing with Alpha Females like that is to confront them head on by breakingdown their group dynamic. It works about 50% of the time, but, it gives you a lot of credibility, and i've had girls come up to me nights later, and apologize about their friend, and want to hang out and get me a drink.

"Hey, that's cool, you girls are all hanging out together. It was her idea to come to the club right. She just looks like the group leader type, let me guess (depending on age, appearance, and language used, I can guess right), strive for middle management type, always wants to make her point, and is the first to tell her friends what's right. But she's loyal and watchful and always has your back, that's why you like to hang out with her. And I get it, you don't want others to intrude on your fun with your friends, and that's the last thing I want to do... I'm just looking to have fun."

Then I go and break down the friends in the group. By explaining group dynamics. Groups, no matter if they're women, guys, or dogs (and in your opinion whats the difference between the last two right), they have the alpha, the beta, and then those in the middle. So whose the beta in the group, whose your best friend.

Keep it fun, upbeat, and quick speaking. I've only been called an asshole once and two of her friends thought that was harsh and bought me a drink the next time I saw them.


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Hello guy. So I've been sarging for a while sometimes successfuly, sometimes not but let's get to the point. There's this female that would always make me feel miserably. It's usually when me/we approach a set of girs that outnumber us/me and while gaming some of them that's when it happens. She would allways say stuff like:"we don't want u, we're on a girl night out" or watever. I've tryed being cheeky and go like:"don't worry dear u're not my type", but that turned her even madder. So I got rejected by a girl who I haven't even talked to and I feel helpless against it.
You're getting these type of responses because you're coming off as a sleazy pickup artist. You've been reading all this material and getting all this advice and doing your best to act like a pickup artist, and it shows.

You need to tone it down a bit brother. You need to find a way to be more GENUINE and attractive, instead of cloning your favorite guru and reciting a bunch of canned lines. This is the issue I take with other teachers of seduction. They throw you to the dogs to sell a brand and make a buck instead of focusing on you as an individual and helping you make YOURSELF attractive to women.

Those alpha females can smell a pickup artist a mile away, because they all act the same. Break a bit of yourself out into your game and you'll go far.

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