the whole rating thing is bullshit... it's all subjective anyway. Is such a value judgement it's terrible... Guys put a terrible value on meeting a hot girl - they tell their friends they meet a ''HB 10'' insecure guys at least .. why in earth do you need to rate her.. to impress your friends ?

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^This. So true. I'm trying to get everyone off this rating system because it's such a BS. It is one of the most counterproductive things ever in the community. As I've said earlier in some other topics, my system utlimately puts women into 2 categories. One which I want to get to know, and the other I don't. The reasons are unnecessary to be explained, it is just all that is to it.

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Haha! I disagree. Women rate guys, too! We give them a scale of 1 - 10 ( yes it is very subjective, but some can't be denied. And IMO a 9 is rare, yet to see a 10 that isn't a million dollar per film actress).

Sad but most women rate guys a three point scale: he's hot, or he's not, or DAMN he's hot! So there is nothing wrong with rating members of the opposite sex. However, saying, "she's only a 7", or what not, and being ignorant of other qualities in a female is very shallow. That WILL lead to some horrible relationships. Any guy that says they don't look at women and judge her physical appearance is lying or being less than honest.


We're human, and 99.9% of humans have an innate tendency to appreciate physical attractiveness of the opposite (or in some cases, the same) sex. There is nothing wrong with,shallow, or unnatural about judging the beauty of an attractive women or man.

Yeah, I agree we all like pretty things to look at. I don't know if it's the same with you, but a girl with no character or other qualities becomes not so hot as soon as I realize it and I just don't feel attracted no matter how beautiful she is. I find it really difficult to meet a girl that has it all, but in the end, I'd rather have a less hot girl with all the other qualities than the other way around.

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I have bursts of being a lady, but it doesn't last long.

I've yet to see a film actress that is a 10. I see plenty of girls here in Norway that I'd call 10s though v:)v

I know it drives me CRAZY to out to the local club and see women hotter than Olivia Munn, Halle Berry, Eva Longoria, Jennifer Anniston, Kristen Bell. I could keep going... If you pull hotter women, you've got some SERIOUS game, bro.

Hi there.

If I maybe devils advocate.

The crux of the matter is to get girls to see guys as an equal as a base point.

It will be hard for you to understand what it feels to be a guy. If you get so many guys flirting with you, this will constantly feed your sense of self importance. You will see every guy you reject as you’re inferior. If women approached men as much as guys do, then maybe they would be on a site like this asking for help. Actually come to think of it, I lot of female dating sites, have similar advice when it comes to flirting.

A woman is competing with every other woman in a social venue for the best guy in that venue. So women in essence are just as competitive as men. I am not convinced when women speak on behalf of other women, when in fact they are only speaking for themselves.

Unfortunately girls will more or less spit on guys who lack confidence, fear is often mistaken for creepiness.

Sadly traditional romance is now less effective as it use to be, due to the imbalance of power between the sexes.

Political correctness makes it impossible to teach men in the mainstream, what women are attracted to.

I feel that coming on this forum, you just made it that little bit harder, for a guy to romanticize you. The magic has been lifted.

Some may say that women are bombarded by television and movies, that portray a unrealistic concept of what guys should be. So if women do not want to be lied to, it is simple, when a guy tells you the truth react with enthusiasm and please do not be bored by it.

Some may say that if girls think that every guy wants to sleep with them, fine. Now the question is can these girls make every guy want to actually love them. It is a shame that women like Marylin Monroe, who were experts at flirting are a rare quality.

This site may actually help women to learn to flirt better with a guy that they like.

I myself like to think of myself as a romantic. However some may believe that the men whom you speak of do not deserve to apologize for their behavior which you have called into question. Just as there are a variety of different dancing styles, there are different seduction styles. If women responded to nice guys, which is what is preached by the establishment, then this community would not exist.

Someone might say that it is not the men who have failed to attract, who are learning this art, but it is the failure of women to speak the truth, about what they find attractive, and it is the hypocrisy of women, who preach equality but demand that men approach first.

I don’t see this as a problem. I challenge like this builds character. Someone might say do not be surprised that there are men out there who have less than chivalrous intentions. It should be noted that players are very rare, more like one in a million. If u come cross one, u should be grateful. The irony is that a women is always more attracted to a guy that has slept with a 1000 women than a man who is a virgin. The skill set to get a hot girl needs a guy with a hot reputation with women.

If your BF cheats on u, your attraction for him will be increased. You will more likely dislike the girl whom he is cheating on, more than him. It is only society and society alone that tells u to leave him. In the animal kingdom if u want an alpha male u better be ready to share. Kings have always had concubines. Women are not attracted to men they feel equal too.

In terms of rating it is effective. Women rate men on confidence which is rarer than good looks, which leaves a lot of good men doomed to extinction.

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Odean .. im glad you are happy

but you do make alot of mistakes and you have alot of stupid assumptions - however i do like your story lol... i have seen very very very weird stuff when people got treated with plants spirits , herbs, psychotropic plants or similar stuf.

however i have to say that there alot of people who are just interested in money and they just lie to people ... like a con artist...

you do have a wrong perspective about natural remedies and plant spirit SPAM .. PLANTS DO not cure or diagnose disease and they do NOT CURE external situations... Healing with plants always give a different result , same with psychotropic plants , the user always experiences a different trip or state of conciousness in each trip or usage.
IT helps but it does not give you the results you like.. sometimes the universe gives you same bad stuff so you can learn from it and so you can become a better person. A plant only cures what it wants to cure.. if you ask for help or if you use psychotropic plants 95 % of the time you get a different psychological perspective or a different expansion in conciousness...

Nature only gives harmony and balance.. it does not give anything else

aside from that.. certain plant chemicals like nicotine or certain chemicals in sage can improve health and change conciousness... alot of psychological problems or chemical depressions can be treated with these plant chemicals...

however alot of herbs are dangerous and toxic if you use them over a long period of time... studies show that certain components in sage CAN lower stress and provide a mild effect against alzheimer and some other psychological/ biological issues... but if you use it for a long time you can develop serious liver issues or chonic liver cancer.

There is never one cure for everything and you can never use the same cure for different problems in your life... in the end .. the best cure is you...you being in harmony and living with nature instead of against it.... From experience... if you use herbs or drugs to combat a issue.. wether biological or psychological you always create another issue while doing so...there are always some side effects taking root in biology or psychology.

IF you are having biological or psychological problems YOU do need to consult a doctor before using herbal preparations or psychotropic plants , do not blindly believe someone can cure your psychological issues. If you are having problems in your life or relationship you need to handle everything on different levels ... go to a therapist, go to a docter , eat healthy, read books, go to a healer if you like.. but do not believe in one cure.

People can help you solve problems..but people cannot solve problems for you...same with the universe , the universe gives you what you need - it doesn't give you what you want.... just ponder on that for a few minutes.

Now regarding spells .. i have studied and read books and reports thoroughly and had my own experiences of high strangeness...and yes there are some things in the universe which are clouded with mystery... just like ''The secret'' we do not know how thought work and how they manifest in reality ( neurons or attract certain stuff ).. spells could help.. but again .. it's not a cure.. it's just increasing your chance of getting something wether it's placebo or not... it doesn't hurt..

my advice for everyone on this forum is not to trust ANYONE about alternative therapies or SPAM for financial currencies... Get references and do get proof if the person is credible...

me myself .. i always tell people not to take certain herbal medicine and i always discourage using psychotropic plants... unless someone is determined to take drugs or plants i will help and give advice for free - no financial interest...

it's about creating a better world .. not about getting rich by teaching someone how nature works .. people who mix spirituality with their financial career need to find another job.. because both are 2 different things.

i offer free services... i give people free advice.. does that mean i do get alot back ? no .. i don't receive money or anything else..i could easily ask money for alot of stuff. I just don't do it because nature helps me, i learn from other teachers and mentors aobut life and mindfullness for free... why would i charge money for helping people ? Again people need to learn that you don't have to get anything back for helping someone, helping someone without expecting anything back is unconditional love.

again .. if you have any questions about herbal medicine, plant spirit medicine , drugs , psychotropic plants or any of those in combination with psychology - just sent me a private message.... if you got any psychological damage by using hallucinogens or herbal medicine feel free to contact me... again im not a neurosurgeon or psychiatrist - i do not cure people over the internet.. i only present people mindsets and spirituality.

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Pick-Up techniques are one thing, but when you're talking about 'magic' and 'herbs', I'd have to be skeptical about it. Did your wife know you were giving her these things?

Hi Lacey,

You're not the first girl to be intrigued by communities such as this one and you are not the first one to prematurely judge every man on here either.

What you should realise is that the same thing brought them here that brought you here, an intense curiousity about an undergound 'secret' world where men share and learn all their best techniques for bedding women. Some even pay other men to pro-actively teach them the neccessary social skills they didn't develop (for whatever reason) during their adolescence, kind of like Hogwarts for horny men.

What should understand though is that this community is as diverse and transparent as they come, there is no upper echelon of faceless constituents pulling the strings seeking to undermine all womenfolks attempts to protect themselves from immoral mysoginistic men. There may be a couple of genuine A-grade assholes on here but if you browse the forums you will see that most are just trying to help one another lead happier more productive lives and if you want to encourage and contribute to that then thankyou, you are a wonderful human being.

From your picture you seem like a good looking lass and I know you're aware of that otherwise you wouldn't have put it up there (I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it is really you) rather than asking men how they would go about cajoling their way between your legs why don't you instruct them as to how you as a woman would like to be treated by a man interested in obtaining your affections.

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Hey Lacey,
Think of it this way, when you were in High School, there was probably a guy who really liked you, he was nerdy, socially awkward, you might have taken pity on him, and he might have become your good friend, you would tell him about all your boyfriends, about how awkward of a kisser they were, about when they broke your heart, and at every point never considered the guy you were telling all this too as a possible boyfriend, even though he offered subtle hints like, "I would never do that to you." And things like that.

Or that same guy might have just sat in the corner and when he finally got the nerve to approach you, you smiled meakly, and let him down very nicely, but let him down nonetheless. And there's nothing wrong with that. But for that guy, that was a common occurence, because he didn't know how to flirt, how to capture your interest, how to let you get to know him.

That's what the seduction community helps with more than anything, it helps guys get close enough to a woman, so that he can get to know her, and she can get to know him, and they can both make a choice about each other that they otherwise might have never been able to make, because the guy didn't know how to approach, and the girl couldn't get interested in the guy. And again, this isn't their fault. A woman goes out to have fun. And the guy never got to learn how to be social for one reason or another.

Whats the difference between this site and every female magazine. Everywhere you turn theres something about "how to seduce your man" or "how to be sexy" or "ten tips on dating".... mainly the same way of women mind fucking guy...its just more mainstream. When guys get together and talk about it, they look like bastards.

Women are far more advanced in seduction. Most guys get together and mainly talk about guy shit.... cars, sports, ect. Most of the time women get together they talk about man problems. So this site is no diffrent than everyday magazine shelfs.

And i can see that all the other guys on here have expalined this site to you. Yes there are many dif reasons guys are on here. Like most women... they have dif goals.

These kind of points are what have changed my views on some of this stuff over the past couple of weeks, from a girls point of view it's very easy to make a snap judgment when faced with material like this, but after some thought, it's not all as bad as it seems at first, thank you for your enlightening opinion.

Thanks Lacey, I'm flattered by your kind words.

Now all we need to do is convince the other 3.5 billion women in the world we aren't so bad and my work is done

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