Ok guys, this is where I'm getting stuck.
Basically When I make a kiss close, it has always been in the first 5 minutes of meeting them. Leading up to the kiss close involved either: 1) small talk with good eye contact 2) dancing having said nothing or 3) just eye contact.

The problem with this, is that after the kiss close, I pull my phone out, hand it to her and say I'll give you a call some time... She puts her number in and then I say "see you later".

But then when I text them the next day, I dont really have anything to say apart from "hiya ...., did you have a good night" I get a reply like " yeah, you?" and thats pretty much it, no substance, don't know if we have anything in common to pursue... She's just another one of the girls in my contact list.

Any help/advice will be appreciated!

Ben

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Ben,

This is exactly what happens when you end your interactions with just attraction being built. Sure attraction can get you a kiss or a phone number but it's hard to talk to get a day 2. You need to spend more time in set and build rapport with her. You need to gain comfort with her by talking about who you two are, what you do, what you like to do for fun, what she's passionate about, what her family life is like, etc. You generally want to spend 20-30 minutes going over stuff like this and really listening to what she is saying and responding to her answers...

After you have spent that much time with building comfort and rapport it's going to be easier to talk to her on the phone cause you guys will have a lot of stuff to choose from to talk about. Also, now that you are more than "just this cute guy she met once" and she has insight into you, it's going to be easier to get a day 2 (date) with her.

It's definitely cool to be able to go up and inside 5 minutes get a number and a kiss but 90% of the time they won't convert to a second date, and if they do it's akward cause you guys don't know what to talk about with each other.

Hope this helps out bro.

Jon

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Thanks for this great advice Jon, I think you've hit the nail on the head! I mean, I'd much rather have a high level of rapport with a girl, and find things out about each other and get no kiss close but possible future date than just get a cheap kiss on the night. I'll definitely try this out. Thanks for your help man.

Ben

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Not a problem!

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Guys this seems so obvious to me because I build report easy.

My question is How do you kiss close so easy and build so much attraction within the first moments of meeting a women??

Please drop the knowledge.

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Nothing is obvious if you're not used to it. I only joined the forum 2 days ago, so didn't know about pick up at all... Didn't know there were routines or ANYTHING. But up until now, when from when I first meet a girl, I keep strong eye contact, a friendly smile and lots of kino and I always come in with high energy unless the girl is on her own. My opening is just "hi, what's your name?" then just small talk.... But my game at the moment is just: eye contact and kino. I understand this is obviously flawed, which is why I'm trying to learn how to get a proper routine going. I never knew about negs or anything, and I'm quite looking forward to using these type of thingsin the future!

Ben

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Why on earth would you end an interaction after 5 minutes right after you got a kiss? The reason the girls are flaking on you is because you are acting like an obvious weirdo that left in the middle of an interaction. Your interaction should last for 2 hours if you are going for a day 2.

And routines don't work worth a damn.

I think I probably end it so early, because of whats been mentioned before. After the kiss, we've had no sort of proper conversation about each other or gotten to know each other. I suppose if i'm being brutally honest, I get scared that I'm gonna muck up what we had, so I just end it with, I'll call you and we should meet up. I know this isnt the right way of doing things, and i'm trying to work on the conversational/rapport side of my game.

Unless i'm really in the zone (in which case, I can literally talk about anything with a girl), I end up feeling awkward and have nothing to say and just say something like "well it was nice meeting you" then walk off. Any tips for what to do when you freeze up like this??

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Benny boy,

John offers some good advice. Building rapport is good but to talk about her family life and what her dogs name is... IS BORING and she will flake. What u must do is BE INTERESTING, FLIRTY, FUN, and have a lot of SOCIAL VALUE.

How to do this you ask? Good question.

What I do is tell an interesting story and then shift into a SEXUAL FRAME with the girl right away. (this happens in no more then 3 mins). I will FRAME the girl in a very sexual that is playful and non-threating (I use my cool girl test but others use the cube ect.. this is great stuff).

Now onces shes hooked and super interested Ill go in for kiss close and number close. The the next day she will rememeber you and all the fun stuff u 2 did / how interesting u r.

**PS this works great. When I number close I normally ask to take a picture with the girl as well (I have a smartphone and it takes good pics but w/e). ***Why this is so effective*** 1. Girls love taking pictures...esp at bars ect... 2. I normally have my buddy or some other random guy take a picture of the 2 of us.. (looks super pimp and if other girls c u taking pictures with girls they will think ur a pimp as well..). 3. When u text her the next day, SEND THE PICTURE**** and write nice meeting u blah blah ect and that way she will remember exactly who u r and instantly be reminded of the good time u2 had.

Gl sir if u have nemore questions feel free to pm me. Iv been doing pua shit for years and have a decent hold on it. my biggest weakness is F closing... still am not doing it as frequently as id like.

Best,
Duke

This is horrid info. 2 hours is way 2 long imp and routines do work if u know how to deploy them. canned game IS GAME...thats what game is... CANNED shit. you can have good likes and be witty... but that will only get u so far.

So u need rapport or as i call it shit chat.

I dunno if u've heard of qualifiers but is basicaly aking a girk about smth ur looking for in girls in general. My fav one is:"Can you cook? I only date girls who can cook." (i can't cook)Now i wouldn't recomend using this one cause after kissing u don't wanna talk about that. So i presume u're not after one nighters. Cause if u kiss the girl u can easily get her to want to sleep with u on the same night. Write down on a piece of paper what r u looking in a women and start quallify them about those things. Also tease them while kissing- just about to kiss then stop then bite her upper then lower lip with urs and always interrupt first. The key to qualifying them is that u must do it in a playful/teasing way. U can kiss between qualifiers. Examle for good qualifier is "what is the most adventurous thing u did for a guy" it really opens her to sexual convo. Again i recomend u to write down ur own qualifiers. So many guys dont use them cause they are after sex. If u use them properly u're gonna improve dramaticaly and not only kiss girls but meet girls that u're interested in more than sleeping with. If possible u wanna isolate her to a place where u can talk. So for quallifying i recoment u watch adam lyons on utube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFO5Da82 ... Here's a link on one of his vids

Now if u want build good rapport and not running out of things to say u must be multiple threading. This means in between question u ask u must start talking about smth else and then come back to the initial thread. Key is dont just try talking. Instead listen to her and be responsive to her words. An example is:"So where r u from?" her:"paris" u:" oh i love paris , have u been to cannes? It's amazing i've been there last week actualy and my best friend lives there and he is bla bla do u have friends like that?" I honestly feel that i can't stop talking. Key is let her talk too(u get other things to talk bout) and just dont loose sexuality - kiss her from time to time, and try to talk bout interesting things. For example recently i've been talking bov rihana getin her nipples pierced( u can go so many places from here-celebrities, music, piercing, tatoos, sex...)

Lastly cause u've mention routines. I really like using Style's ev. It really helps u to get to know so. U can find it on utube and i recommend watching it but it's basicaly 3 questions. #1 X=name 1 thing that u need to have in ur life in order to feel like life is worthwhile. If they cant answer change this to-name sth u enjoy doing #2 Y=describe ur perfect scenario of X. Or if u had X what kind of things does that allows u to do? #3 If X and Y how would that make u feel inside? What's the emotion that u feel? And look for a smile on their face. If u really wanna do it properly watch video of it and practise it on ur friends. If u do it properly it's really deep and powerful. Also after using it make some joke and start talking bout some super light stuff like a movie or the weather. There's a video of how it's done http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... r6A#t=266s

You have a lot to practise man. Try implementing small chunks of knowledge into ur game. Dont jurt go there and start doing all of the shit i've covered. Take it one step at a time. Go out and try some qualifying. Once u get good at it continue with next.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFO5Da82 ... r_embedded - adam on qualification

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... r6A#t=267s - style's ev

- adam on qualification

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZL5MQFjr6A[/youtube] - style's ev starts at 4:27

Something I struggled with for a LONG time my friend, I understand your question 1000%. The problem is there is no easy answer.

Something that helped alot was The Attraction code by Vin Dicarlo, and 60 years of Challenge. Excellent books on attraction.

Theres a good quote from Soul. A student asks him "how do I know if she wants to kiss me?" he answers "if you try and she lets you".

TheMack

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