Or is this strictly for dudes? I'm a chick. An attractive one, but too shy to approach guys! I always get approached and it's not hard at all. But I shy away. I would like to meet a nice guy, but how the heck? I actually would like a boyfriend. But I keep effing things up.

Adam Lyons recently visited Korea and brought his wife, Amanda.

I asked a similar question to Amanda Lyons. I told her that I had many female friends who knew about my job as a pickup instructor, and some of them asked me for tips about men. I explained to Amanda that I always found myself in a rut when it came to these situations because I had no background whatsoever in picking up men. I thought this was an appropriate question to pose to Amanda since she trains both men and women.

She then proceeded to tell me, all the while politely tolerating my cigarette smoke, that men and women have different problems when it comes to the opposite sex. Since men are expected to approach, men generally have problems meeting women in the first place while women tend to not have a problem with meeting men at all. The goal for women is usually somewhere along the lines of KEEPING the men around.

If you're attractive by any means, I bet you already know plenty of guys that would make good boyfriends. However, not enough of these guys are pursuing you in that way, are they?

Yes I do know lots of guys who'd make good boyfriends and love to be with me. But I can't reciprocate the same feelings..which saddens me.. And then the guys I like aren't pursuing me in that way..I'm just not playing the game right. I don't know what guys want? I want to be nice to them instead of being bitchy and aloof. Last guy I dated said he was too busy to have a gf. But I see that as a lie. Clearly I turned him off. I might've been clingy and I was very unsure of my feelings. FWB? Or not friends with benefits.? His work schedule is crazy though and it was difficult dating. I was getting tired of it. He is a pua and posts here too. At first I thought it was gross. But who knows maybe I can get some tips?

I thought it was mainly all about touching your hair a lot, tilting your head and giggling + a few sexual innuendos. :S

yeah, this stuff can help girls too.

unfortunately, most of it is stuff girls already know and do, but guys dont. we were never taught this.

Nah, most girls are not aware of it in technical terms. Girls have more general social savvy but that is not all there is to it. Check through the forum and see if you find something interesting.

_________________
I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

There is a really good movie with Sarah Jessica Parker. I do not know the name but she uses all the PUA technology in it to get a guy to leave home, he then falls in love with her.

I feel the rules PUA do apply to women, but with less strength.

I can only guess u r attracted to guys who do not wish to love u, they only desire u and that's all.

There is another famous black and white old British Movie where a women marries a good man, he is of simple background but she molds him into the perfect man who is strong and looks after her.

U have to strongly flirt to get the shy guys to notice u. If u are after strong guys, they should have no problem approaching u if u r attractive.

I feel like an idiot for not knowing the name of the movies.

_________________
Meet and Wing.

direct-game-birmingham-friends-that-wil ... 30930.html

The Jackal an Introduction.
[link]

The Field Reports.
[link]

The Lay Reports.
[link]

I've known lesbian pick-up artist who use the seduction materials to pick-up women, I got into Speed Seduction because of one friend I made who liked to seduce women who identified themselves as straight. Women who want to pick-up men are known for the more silent forms of seduction, they lure men, in my opinion. A woman can use her body language to arouse a man's attention.

I really doubt it is worth your time trying to become a 'female pua', most guys decide in the first 10 seconds of meeting a girl whether they would shag them or not, personality rarely ever enters the equation for a fling unless they are extremely annoying and that would still only put off a minority of men.

If you just want to shag lots of hot guys all you need to do is when you go out, go up to the first attractive guy you see and say 'Hey I think you're hot, do you fancy me?' now unless they are shy nervous losers (which you probably wouldn't want anyway) they should just be able to give you a straight answer.

If you bring pua stuff into the equation you would just confuse the hell out of most guys and they will think you are weird, many would still sleep with you regardless but it wouldn't be helping your game, no matter how well versed you are in your routines.

That being said, if you are looking for more conventional relationships and want to improve the way you interact with men then I would suggest that you read more mainstream material which revolves around improving understanding between the sexes such as the book 'men are from mars women are from venus', numerous mens magazines such as Maxime and FHM and of course I will recommend Way of the Player.

You are much more likely to understand what attracts men to women by reading material such as aforementioned than you are to drink the FPUA coolade but the decision is up to you.

_________________
"Stay hungry, stay healthy, be a gentleman, believe strongly in yourself and go beyond limitations.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger

Guys have the struggle on the front end and the power shifts on the back end with the inflection point being sex in most cases.

Having said that the reason PUA doesn't apply to woman is simply as Mystery points out succinctly.

Men mainly desire woman on reproduction value (i.e. looks)
woman mainly desire men on social value.

We can all play around the margins, and blow smoke up each others asses but this is the basic mechanism that evolutionary psychologists and most PUA masters agree on. So the practical ramifications are woman don't need to do much but look good, while men have to "game" to raise their perceived social value unless they innately have enough social value which they don't have to game (i.e. well known actor, famous rock singer, athlete).

So for woman PUA advice is this: loose weight, look as good as possible, and don't act crazy. Doing this you will attract males at or above your level. The caveat is that men above your level are going to likely ignore you after sex. Which is why 20% of the men are fucking 80% of the woman.

so saying "I keep effing things up. " is a dynamic that most woman rationalize incorrectly. You basically attracted to Alpha males above your grade that dont want a relationship with you. You have two choices, become extremely good looking and retain the guys you have previously been "effing" up with, or aim for lower status guys that will attach you but magically you don't "eff up" with.

i see what you're saying, detox75 -- but wouldn't that be like saying to guys "hey look, she wants status - you don't have it so move on"? isn't that what it used to be before the PUA community started coming up with some brilliant ways of making men with less status appear to have more in front of HB's? Shouldn't it work both ways?

Yes, looks are HUGE. Totally get it. For girls AND guys - which is why you've got all those sections in the forum geared around fashion and fitness - because even though it's about status for us, looks still play a big role.

Likewise I think for girls. I see it when I go out with my friends. We have a pretty mixed group, I'd say one 4 (poor 4, but we love her!), a few 6's and 7's, couple of 8's and a 9. Sometimes, the 6's have WAY more game than the 8's or the 9. So it's not a looks-only thing here, there's gotta be other factors involved, and i think it's about learning to harness those.

Additionally, I agree with Amanda Lyons (not that I know anything). For girls it's about keeping the guy around (if only 'till we're ready to move on to the next guy). Getting a guy to say yes to sex? Not a problem. At least not in my experience.

_________________
(yup, i'm a woman.)

RE: Question

I have seen excellent female wing-girls. Of course women can be pick up artists! It gets tricky if you are picking up other chicks, but I have seen bisexual women pick up straight chicks

I agree that attraction works differently for men than for women.

Men are primarily attracted by looks, and there is usually a lot you can do to improve what you already have. Befriend some HBs and ask them for advice.

Check out David Deida, best known for "The Superior Man", he has one called "The Guy Manual". I have not read the whole thing, but scanning thru I saw a lot of stuff that is right on the money.

I think that book will answer your questions about how to attract and keep a guy.

Deida also explains how to express your feminine energy in different ways, so that your man is getting the full spectrum of female energy and does not feel the need to go elsewhere for energy types he feels lacking. It's a bit complex to explain here, but it explains one of the main reasons men get bored in relationships and start to wander off, plus what you as a woman can do to avoid that.