I've K closed this chick about five times when we've met up (always in clubs). She has slept in bed with me (we were both on comedowns ha) and been escalating it with touching over her underwear etc.


Each time I try to get in them she's moved my hands away and Im pretty sure its because shes a tad conscious about her body.

Shes told me I am fit (for our american friends this means sexy ha) and complimented my eyes/hair.

I've been something of a friend zone merchant with other girls of late so I've made sure, unlike previously that there was plenty of sexual innuendo and joking in our texts/facebook chats.


When we have kissed she's tended to initiate it 60% of the time and one evening we were alone from our friends in this club for a big portion of the night...again her move but I did bounce her around the club. I even got her to buy me a drink on two separate occasions.

She's asked me about past relationships/how many girls I've fucked. A point was made to me on here by a few posters that this sounds like shes assessing me for boyfriend material?


She asked me if Im coming to this rave on saturday and 'are we gonna kiss when we get there?'.


I probably cant make the rave anymore due to work commitments so whats the best way to tell her this?

Long story short there is plenty of signs that I havent messed this up and killed attraction.


But my problem is this; I'm not sure how to move from meeting her around friends/her friends and k-closing to something with a bit more seriousness about it.


It would be good to get her out on a 1 v 1 date rather than these same k-closing clubs etc.... but how do I get this across without showing too much of my hand to her or appearing clingy.


Oh and by serious all I mean is coffee/bar/cinema...basically a first date ha.


**Sorry if I have listed a lot of random insights, its just to better understand why I think she is attracted.

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why the fuck do you obsess about some insecure chick with a negative self image ...

i would tell her to shut the fuck up ..

all this fucking dramatic nonsense about looks and shit .. it seems you gladly worry along with her ..

good luck with that..

of course you will tell her she looks ok .. because you want to get into her pants .. duhhhhhh

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Hey man hows it going.



Its a pretty big reason she is insecure that I dont wanna go into but it would make most people self conscious.


You seem a pretty clued up guy on here, so any good pointers to bridging between towards a 1 v 1 date?


Is calling her up and proposing a few beers say sunday evening clingy/AFC?


My head tends to mash up when I get cool with someone.

im doing well .. thanks

she's just projecting her self counciousness on you.. don't submit to that shit .. convey who you really are and lead..

calling her up on sunday for a few beers is great .. it's low key - but woman in general are not into that shit.. woman want to do X and Z and dance.. but hey for a first date it's ok , as long enjoy it... i like taking someone out for a coffee or something .. cruising the town visiting a church and maybe a club or pub later on that day...

you are thinking too much , maybe you have a reason to do so but i think you have a good game in general and you don't need to feel insecure or low on anything...

her asking you about how many girls you've fucked is her not trusting you , her being intimidated by you and at the same time attracted and interested.. you don't have to answer her.. you can say '' a thousand woman''..

don't think on what to say .. if you have other commitments you have other commitments .. period.. she doesn't own you - just make sure to tell her as soon as possible ( there is no need to wait 2 weeks right ? )

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aside from all of that you are thinking too much .. you care too much about her and that is ok - it's not good or bad .. just observe where you are shooting yourself in the foot... you shouldn't be thinking about what to say regarding that rave party - that's ridicilious... do not get stuck in your mind. do something else and game some other woman.. just to get her out of your head for a while.

like i said before she's insecure and self conciousness.. those girls are passive, they only fuck you up if you are impatient and attached - but again it's you are responsible for your own experience... you don't need good game to get such girls - you just need to be confident and solid about your mindsets...

how much do you think about her when you are alone ?

a. seldom / some
b. sometimes
c. alot

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Sometimes.... B



I think my problem is I dont really enjoy the uncertainty of dating/gaming girls.


My relationships have literally gone from date 1 or 2 into a full on relationship...inside say 2 weeks of meeting each other. Im not used to waiting etc. So I come across too full on and get friend zoned.


Also I guess I get a bit of attention and think 'great I dont need to put myself up for a fall' and carry on gaming women.


I called her before: I just said/...

Me: '**** I hope youre sitting down....breathing deeply?'


Her: 'haha why?'


Me: I wont be able to join you in reckless abandon tomorrow evening...Im needed in work and money is tight until next week'.


Her: 'ha oh can you not lend money?'

Me: No I dont like doing that, besides i have a meeting at work at 8am sunday and need to be sharp


Her: Oh are you sure? I could lend you some?


Me: Nah its ok, the kissing will have to wait


Her: for you maybe! haha alright

Me: we'll just have to reconvene, dont go and comfort eat...im sure we'll meet again, i might be free sunday for a while


Her: haha ok ok I wont reach for the biscuits how is work?


Me: Its not what I havent done its what I have done...Ive wrote too many words for this spreadsheet and its too big it doesnt fit in its the story of my life


Her: hahahaha oh right


Me: anyway I need to go get this stuff finished but again, stay strong!

Her: haha I will! see you later


Me: bye!

does this take root in other aspects of your life... ?

people who need to be certain are just

very sure of themselfs... rigid minded
or very insecure...

again it's about something you cannot control .. her...

if you are too certain you will not grow because you will be stuck in a certain mindset.. but you will be comfortable in your own reality.. but there are many cons with predictability - relationships could get boring etc... change and growth are interesting in general. everything has pros and cons.. but im actually interested in why you make yourself attach that quick ?

basicaly im asking you :.. where are you insecure about regarding internal or external influences/ aspects ? which story is playing here ? which behaviour ? because, don't you agree it's very counterproductive you get attached that quickly ?

are you harsh on yourself ? what are your standards... how much AA do you have ? i see something .. interesting .. would like to know what ..did you behave like this in most of your relationships ?

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I am strong minded in my opinions yeah. But im also open to new ideas and very liberal.


I think Im not very confident until I know someone yeah. I tended to be a bit of a hermit around people who arent in my close social circle.


One of the best parts of PUA i have learned thus far is to expand social circles, although I have an open mind i used to be quite snobby about other social groups who werent like me i guess!


I just wish there was a fool proof way of getting her on a 1 v 1 meet up without fucking things up i.e. looking needy/clingy/trying to move to fast etc.


It shouldnt be hard when we've kissed plenty already, but it sort of makes it feel like walking a tightrope - if i get a negative response i'll be on my way to friend zone city again.

I don't think you need help with this one dude.. Just chill out

I also don't see why you just flaked on her..

Shes not the kind of girl you have to worry about a lot of guys hitting on it seems.. Just chill the fuck out.

She likes you and shes really into you.. what do you need our help with?

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How to word things


The place we'd both be going is with plenty of mutual friends


I sort of wanna isolate her for a 1 on 1 date.


Do I need to do this now? We've been k closing just over 3 weeks.


I didnt flake really, I have to be in work the next morning for a hearing because I was AWOL the other week...so I dont wanna be hungover ha.


Also theres a cool gig I wanna go to that she is too next weekend and thats all I can afford really...


In general its just the little things worrying me - they seem to be what I do wrong in the past:




How often should I be texting her?


Is facebook game necessary still?


Oh and just in a nut shell - how do I arrange the 1 on 1 date...or is it the wrong time to?


On the one hand I want to meet up with her alone to really make sure were connecting.... but on the other I dont want to scare her off/look clingy.

I've done good whenever were together thus far, but its always around friends... should I change this yet ?



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Whenever You feel like it





no pun intended...LMAO I had too. sorry dude

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I rung about 20 girls last night(on mic in chat) and tried to organize something for today, about 12 answered, only 2 of them said no, some said maybe, the rest were yes. In other words, it's piss, it's easy, it's not a big thing, just ring her up and ask her.

I don't text girls at all really, i only text them when it's impossible to ring them, apart from that. Just ring them and organize something


Oh and if they text me, i reply as soon as i read it, or not at all. It comes across with a real energy that way, because you haven't been thinking about what she's said in the message and waiting 5 mins +

i guess your taking MDMA or E right?

just be careful that she's not only attracted to you when she's high, because kissing feels really DAMN good when your up, like everything. but when she comes down she may be feeling less attracted to you and trying to be nice so she doesn't hurt your feelings (which is really just her not wanting to feel like a bitch)

Nah...we kissed twice in clubs then the third time round were both on E...it was pretty good yeah haha


Then the other week we got spiked so I took us to my friends to sleep it off. She didnt wanna leave until 6pm the next night and asked me not to leave her there etc.


I stuck around.



Anyway update;


She called me last night at like midnight just general conversation, asked if I was really not going to the rave tonight and that she'd lend me money.


I just said I couldnt because of the meeting in work and needing to be fresh to complete a few assignments, but asked her if she was going to a different night thats on next friday.

She is and so am I so theres always next friday.


We carried on talking/joking for a bit and I joking said 'I have a semi' (meaning im slightly erect ha) and she laughed said 'oh really' and when we were hanging up she said 'I'll leave you to your semi then! haha'



Also raves are common down here (south england) so theres plenty of chances to experience that with her.


If we're gonna see each other next friday....do I want to arrange a 1 on 1 meet up before then? Next friday will be same old story....a group of like half a dozen of us, me and her k closing.


I really think I need to move things into a 1 on 1 kinda meet up to avoid friend zone etc....if it were black and white i.e. yes or no....what do people think?



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