Okay, this morning I was making out with the hottest girl at my college, I thought everything was going good until she stopped and said she felt weird because we were so close I was like her brother. Before today me and her had become friends but had recently drifted apart. Last night we were talking about how we both were getting bored with the same people and needed to switch it up. I noted that we are both in the same situations and should kill two birds with one stone. But now that things were finally going somewhere and she stopped because It felt weird. I think I might have sunk to far into the friend zone and its hard to get her to see me sexually. Im not sure how to get out of this zone. Because now I know that she wants me, but Im just to much her friend. What's my next move?

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"Let women figure out why they won’t screw you, don’t do it for them.”

Your next move is to move on. "You're too good of a friend." "You're like a brother to me." "I don't want to risk losing what we have already."

All signs of perma-friend-zoned. Getting out is pretty tough.

I've had a small amount of luck (keyword: luck) giving girls the gift of missing me, though. That is, you break off contact and don't get a hold of her unless you actually have a reason to. Don't be a dick about it and ignore her completely, but make sure you only acknowledge her if she is being flirty as opposed to friendly. She'll get the message and if she takes the bait, then cool. I wouldn't get your hopes up, though. Women make up their minds about you and then you're finished. Good thing there are more women than men in the world!

So you recommend I should just cut it off for a bit. The trouble is that I see this girl most days in classes and It seems she is onto other guys, but only as soon as I walk into the room. I get the feeling like she is trying to get a reaction out of me as I catch her looking at me alot when she is "flirting" with other guys

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"Let women figure out why they won’t screw you, don’t do it for them.”

Dude, she is fucking with you hardcore. She drew you in close enough to think that you might have a chance at getting with her, then says, more or less, "I really like you, but as a friend." I'm sure she's done the same kind of thing to many guys before.

Now you're looking for reasons why you're different from the rest of them. You're giving her all the power. In fact, you described her as, "the hottest girl at your college." Guess what? There's always a hotter chick somewhere. To hell with her. If she can't be up front and clear about shit with you, then you don't care. You're the coolest mother fucker on the whole god damn planet, remember? You can get whatever girl you want.

That's not to say you should stop talking to her, I suppose. Heck, having her tag along as a friend to a party with you makes you look better! I often roll with a bunch of women just to have them around. They draw in the other girls just because they naturally want to compete with one another.

All I'm saying is forget about ever getting with this chick and move on. If there's any chance of it happening still, you WILL need to approach it with a mindset of apathy toward her.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but you're totally showing all the symptoms of one-itis.

Thanks Man. You speak the truth. I just need to get my head on fucking straight.

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"Let women figure out why they won’t screw you, don’t do it for them.”

Im stuck again, I have been freezing her out for a while and I can see its bugging her, I dont talk to her and I hardly even look at her. This morning she texted me and asked why I was being awkward and that I was beeing a douche. I replied saying ti wasnt awkward (first text in about 2 weeks) but I think I am going to go talk to her today, by the time you reply I probably will have already talked to her, but I want to know whether this was a good idead or not

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"Let women figure out why they won’t screw you, don’t do it for them.”

Although I know what Azn is talking about and why he's saying what he's saying, you are the man and awesome and everything else, I disagree with the attitude "To hell with her, she's fucking with you". She wouldn't have made out with you if she only had "friends" intentions and expectations from you.

There're only two possibilities here:

A) What Azn is suggesting. She's a a heartless slut and does this with a lot of guys. The reality is you'll never know until you do actively do something about it and investigate.

B) She really does feel weird and is confused. Well I wouldn't blame her! She wants reassurance that you're not gonna fuck her and forget about her. She's putting her friendship on the line and want you as a man to reassure her yo'll be there for her. Is that your intention or she's just the hottest chick in your college!?


However I completely agree with the other comment Azn made which is to have other girls around you and make sure she sees that. Take her to parties and do make connections with others in front of her so she knows she's not your everything. Don't be a dick to her. Communicate and that doesn't mean be a needy chump but make sure you don't miss any signs, IOIs or IOD's she might be sending your way. Freeze out has a purpose and it's not to get her to call you a "douche".

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"We miss 100% of shots we don't take" - Style quoting someone else!

JazMan could be making a valid point. If you want to make a run at her, then do it, but all I'm saying is this:

Making out with a chick used to be big news in middle school (maybe even high school if you want to stretch it), but once you start reaching your 20's, everyone's figured out a lot of things and most of us have had experiences with the opposite sex a few times at minimum. Making out with some chick is NOT an indicator of my interest in her as a partner, and it's a two-way street.

Hell, there are plenty of women out there who are sticking their tongues down multiple guys' throats in the same day just because that's how they know how to keep interest and lead them around on a leash (metaphorically, just to be clear, haha). In fact, there's women who fuck multiple dudes in one day....without showering...and without protection. That's an extreme, but you understand what I'm saying, "Just because she made out with you doesn't mean she's into you," and honestly, you shouldn't care either way.

But in any case, the whole idea is not to figure out what she's thinking or why she's doing what she is. It's gently prodding and pushing the interactions in a desirable direction. I'm not so sure I like your approach to the "freeze out" when you literally have to see her in class.
What you did wrong, in my opinion, is that you were kind of a dick about it. Freeze out does not necessarily mean ignore her at all costs. It means don't initiate contact. If she's in class and she wants to talk to you, it's rude to ignore her. Say hello and "frame the set" for what you want to happen. What are you trying to communicate? "I'm a strong person, I'm confident and I do think you might be worth something, but honestly, you've gotta stop messing with me and treating me like another trick before I'll give a little. It's just not gonna fly for you to leave your actions unanswered and without apparent motive."

Agree with Azn.

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"We miss 100% of shots we don't take" - Style quoting someone else!

Thanks guys, maybe this forum isn't a waste of time.

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"Let women figure out why they won’t screw you, don’t do it for them.”

You need to move on man. Azn is right you are showing one-itis. Since she is flirting with guys when your around tells me she is trying to send you a message of "we are just friends."

This is just tough luck man, but there is always a hotter, cooler woman. And being a PUA means you have the tools to get the notorious HB11's.

Keep your head high and your game tight.

My opinion is your next move should have been in the very moment she said "you are like abrother to me"... you should have reframed that.
Since you accepted that frame you put yourself in a very bad position.

Something to learn... so it doesnt happen again to you...

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What the hell made you think it was in the first place? We're just a bunch of guys talking about chicks like you do with your friends. The only difference is that we're removed from the situation and therefore tend to be more objective. That, and we have access to one of the most enormous collections of experiences. There's a solid base here to help you realize what will and will not work. Just wade through all the garbage. It's like any forum. I always come here to post when I've got issues I can't quite iron out myself. Put a little faith in your fellow man! lol