Blues: Hey -- I gotta go in a sec, but I need a female opinion on something. You *are* a girl, aren't you? (neg)
HB: Lol yeah duh
Blues: Alright, just checking You can never be too sure. Anyway, here's the deal: there's this junior girl -- we'll call her Pippi, just because I've always wanted to meet a girl named Pippi -- in my class and she keeps implying that she wants to go out with me. Now Pippi is definitely pretty hot, but I'm just not at the point where I want to have a relationship. (DHV) How would you tell a girl that you're just not interested right now?
HB: blah blah (I got "well right now I'm just not ready for a relationship you're a great person though")
Blues: Alright thanks. Sorry babe, but right now I'm just not ready for a relationship -- you're a great person though! (Whatever advice they gave you throw it back at them) (neg)
HB: Hahaha!

From there you'll want to follow up with something else right away -- as with most negs you don't want to let her respond and change threads immediately.

Tested it today and got great results. Let me know what you guys think -- you can adapt it however you wish. I'm in high school, so you'll definitely want to change the part where you say she's a junior. Pedophilia is definitely a DLV, lol!

-Blues

The problem is, by tossing it back you are clearly telling her you think she's hot, without any plan on how to keep the conversation going after that. It's fine to do a statement of appreciation/intent, but you need to keep flowing after that, or you hit the awkward point where she feels like she's supposed to say . . . thanks?

Glad it worked for you, and I'm guessing the rapport was right to make this work. Just not sure I'd use it as a cold opener.

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I guess the reason why it worked was because I used it as a neg -- not a statement of intent. More like, she gave me advice on how to turn a girl down, essentially and I shot that advice right back at her in a cocky way. Wasn't necessarily calling her hot.

Like most negs it wasn't awkward because I changed into a different thread right away, not giving her a chance to respond to it. From there I went into a routine that I'd just thought of (might post it later), and quickly #closed because class was about to start.

Thanks for the criticism though. I still have a long way to go.

Not a criticism at all, you got results. I'm just saying it might not work for everyone.

The fact that you followed up right away with a new thread makes all the difference. Keeping things moving is the way to make something like that work. Well done.

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I like it...in a way you are telling her she's hot. But not directly. Which is good, if she's smart she'll notice it. =)

I'm with Blues, here good opener, definetly need somethihng to follow up with but I like the flow

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cool opener thanks for sharing

Yeah, that's the point I was inartfully trying to make.

One variation I thought of would be:
"Now Pippi is definitely a cool girl, but I'm just not at the point where I want to have a relationship."

This way, when you hit the punch line you aren't (indirectly) telling her you think she's hot. As a cold opener, this would be a softer approach. In the context of an acquaintance or someone you've already built some attraction with, I think Blues' approach would work better.

In either event, it's worth emphasizing that you have to keep going after this. Don't just let it hang.

Thanks for sharing this, Blues.

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good point zen

I like 'hot" instead of "cool"...Its a better DHV during the story.

What i would try and do to cancel out any type of intent or intrest that would be implied with the way it closes is to immediatly disqualify her (i guess you could say stack a disqualifier).

Tell her shes not your type anyway, that you can tell...your too similar. Then tell you you can do a test that will tell and run a cold reading on her.

Toss in a neg during the cold reading and i think it should work pretty well used with the opener.

Hope this helps.

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Agreed -- I didn't want to include anything to follow it up with, since you can use pretty much anything so long as you effectively change the thread.

Ka made a good suggestion though. Following with "You're not my type anyway -- we're too similar!" and running that would be effective, I'm sure.

I like Ka's addition. By telling her that you're "too alike" and then doing a cold reading routine, it flows, its not just whipping it out of nowhere. That's one thing I don't like about most routines, because they feel like you've just been waiting to use it and its not actually genuine.

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I completely agree. The people who make them work well are good actors, they make it seem organic. That's a great talent.

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It's a decent opener but I wouldn't use it on any girl that is beyond 18. When you open and you ask if she really is a girl, most mature women would blow it right off because you haven't established enough DHV.