Hey. I've been in the community on and off for a while. I've learnt a lot. I generally use natural game, but my understanding of routines etc has helped me. I've spent a lot of time sorting out my inner game, and still am.

Anyway i have a very specific sticking point. I get the girls but have trouble F-closing. I have often slept in the same bed as a hb , had oral sex etc without sealing the deal.
I realize that this was rooted in performance anxiety and I'm pretty much over that now.

I'm seeing a hb 8 @ the moment and its all good. But no f close. Just heavy kissing etc. Its not really escalating. We've slept in the same bed a few times.

I REALLY need help here.

If anyone could let me know what ye think I would really appreciate it.

Best,

Heath

I can almost guarantee your problem is your not alpha enough when you go for the pussy. You likely hmmm and hawww about, equivocate, and may even conversate with them and ask if its ok to push the interaction to sex.

Girls will always put up token resistance in an effort of plausible slut denialbility, I advise you that once you have them worked up through oral or fingers in their crotchel region, your free to go for the fuck, but you need to do it like you know what your doing, and you have done it before. If you seem indecisive, unsure, or leave decisions to them be prepared to be beating your own meat later rather then pounding out their vijayjay.

Heres what I do. After I have them worked up enough I tell them "lets go over here." Over here is my bedroom where I proceed to undress them and bang. I put the onus of the act on me, and take the responsibility off them, then they don't have to be proactive tp let nature take its course. Chicks aren't going to help you screw them on their own or lend you much of a helping hand.

When she leans over to kiss you in bed next time, push her away and say, "stop, you turn me on too much." she'll want to keep pushing your sex buttons.

Thanks guys.

@Dtox, your game sounds pretty solid and it sounds right. In that respect though I would be concerned about coming on too strong if they are not in the zone?

Cheers bray, I will try that also.

My closing game is extremely solid, and in fact its probably the only part of my game that started out good , the rest I had to work my ass off for.

risk coming off strong rather then being too passive. Your going to always have to take a chance to go from approach-->open-->attraction-->escalate--> sex all those bridges require game + balls.

From what your saying here, you have the girls in bed and are about their genitals with their full consent, I would assume they are ready to fuck, they just need you to be the man and take care of it. No means No, but I rarely hear no by the time I have them in my bed and have them turned on.

Bullshit... No doesn't always mean "No," sometimes no means yes... I've had several times where she's being coy or not too sure about going through with it as I'm going down on her. She's explicitly stated "we're not having sex tonight." as we are both naked on her bed and making out, with my finger on her g-spot. But minutes later she was on top of my dick rubbing her naked crotch on it to get me hard enough for a condom.

What you need to do is ask her, do you REALLY want me to stop? And start getting those erogenous zones to get her really turned on. The earlobes, the neck, etc... find out what she likes by experimenting on her. Go through google and read up on sexual secrets, get some knowledge on making girls horny in bed. If you get her horny enough she will WANT to fuck you no matter what, because what you are showing her, is that you are good in bed, and that's something girls don't come by very often

Also, realize that once you have her in bed, its a done deal, it just takes some time... Don't try to stick it in and walk away. Foreplay man... what you lack is foreplay.

You guys need to stop treating girls as masturbators and try to see the emotional and psychological aspects of things. You could be alpha all you want, but if she doesn't wanna fuck you, she doesn't wanna fuck you. Simple as that. Women are more complex than "hurr-durr alpha male, gotta have sex with him cuz he's alpha."

If you have good enough foreplay, you can make any girl wanna sleep with you because she knows that you will make her feel unlike any other man can. That's what you gotta sell.

Not, "ok you dont want me, then I dont want you either cuz thats what an alpha male does. Imma go make a sandwich until you change your mind."

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Your not saying anything new. Obviously No means maybe, but i'm not going to tell some new kid to push a reluctant chick, who later gets buyers remorse, and now gets a rape charge; be smart.

I would choose to keep rubbing her up before I would start freezing her out. As I said before, if you keep the dominant frame and shes in the bed you should be fine given the physical contact. I don't loose chicks when I get them home so I don't need to come at it from 18 different angles considering her psychological, physiologic, pathological, emotional, spiritual, and physical wants and desires - its superfluous. I especially don't need to play silly freeze out tricks as seen explicitly in "The Game"

I forget most of you live in the US, where their feminist laws make everything ass backwards. Fuck man, this isn't a problem in Europe, girls here are more normal, they understand, that when you are in bed together, and start taking off each other's clothes, SEX IS GONNA HAPPEN. And that that's normal.

Hell Mexico is even better. Over there you can grope a girl or tell her to strip in public, and that's normal. Hell, she could say "no, not here, I don't wanna be seen, lets do it in the bedroom." And you can tell her... "Hahahaha, fuck no, we're doing what I wanna do," and start pulling off her clothes to fuck her in public (obviously not in the middle of the street, there are also certain social norms), and that's fine. In the US that could be made into a case of rape (even though, she DID wanna have sex, just not there). But Mexico, in particular is considered to be a machist (read a sexist) country. Where men are known to be more dominant, so women will just go along with such things.

So my advice to the OP is... Move to Mexico XD

Life is much better there, and I guarantee you will get laid, (by a hot bitch too, girls in Mexico are gorgeous). Not only that, but you will learn what it means to be alpha (its more than just a superficial attitude, I'll tell you that).

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try pushing her limits.. if she gives of a faint "no, no"..just keep going..
hell.. i´ve already said "no" to a HB9 and she´d just go furiously caveman, skipping a k-close, and "do" me anyway (f-close). (so a "no" means nothing until you see that there´s physical resistance)

whatever you do, be playful.. you could suggest to play the "stop" game.
in this game you start "exploring her" body playfully as far as you can and she´ll have to say "stop" when it gets too much. now, as soon as she says "stop"...you got 2 choices:
1. you stop...because you are cautious and you respect her
2. you go "King Kong" (caveman)..and usually meet little to no resistance

a buddy liked to do the "stop" game when a girl wore a buttoned shirt.. he´d start unbottoning her shirt slowly from the top downwards..as soon as she´d say "stop", hed just go "King Kong" and ripp her shirt open with brute force and go for it like a raging bull.