This is pretty much a simple question, what do you do if your good friend that you go sarging with or just hang out with is an unbelievably natural AMOG? Should I avoid this guy or is there a way to take advantage or 'use' his innate AMOG for my own benefit to win the girls that are attracted to him?

Reference: This AMOG is really like a chick magnet without doing anything. Girls are "courting" him and looking at him everywhere anytime! He is tall and is almost like Zangief (in a positive way) without the excess mass. etc etc.

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Watch what he does and emulate it.

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Emulate. I was in the same situation but looked at what he did and now i'm in a position to compete pretty well

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I sarge with friends that are not into pick up. You just have to break it down to him which girl your going for, and have him not cockblock and disrespect you.

If he is a good friend, he should respect that. Is always better to go sarge with friends you know then "pick up" guys from community. You have that natural vibe which can cause you to drop a lot of rules of the game and just talk and pull girls. Especially if you do a lot more then sarging.

high value wings = high value asset,

low value wings = cock blocks + useless

just try to match how awesome he is and have fun with him, don't focus on stealing his girls, focus on getting with girls, with his help, and helping him get girls

If I'm reading your question right Im going interpret it differently then the answers here. As far as most wing man go they are worthless. If you don't have a good wing man your better off sargeing alone.

Here are the 4 types wings

- Low value, passive wing - worthless

- low value, aggressive wing - worthless unless your the Amogging dick friend who comes over and plays off him and steals (vultures or hyenas) the sets he opens.

High value, passive wing - can be ok to raise your social value as a nexus of social proof but not mush use other then a reference fixture

High value, aggressive wing - This is the one you want as long as you have an agreement of rules of engagement, proofing each other, and working as a team.

I'm guessing your buddy is #4? and it seems hes not working with you but against you. Being the 2nd fiddle to a #4 wing, despite your normal alphaness in other situations, does not help you at all. If you with someone and hes dominating you in the group you have no chance. I believe your better off being king of the nerds then a demonstrative second fiddle to an AMOG.

So my advice is get him on the correct game-plan or don't use him as a wing. Nothing is worse then a Hyena or vulture moving into a set you opened, and are in the process of attracting, swoop in on you, cannibalize your proof and good work, and steal your target. This is bullshit and many guys don't even realize they are doing this or don't care.

Have you actually talked to him?

This question comes up a lot in some form or another on the forum, and it seems like most of the time the person asking never addresses this problem to his buddy. If you two are friends, it isn't an issue for you to say "hey man, lately I've been having an issue because....." and you go into details. You don't claim he's stealing girls, cockblocking you, or being a pain in the ass. The only "problem" you seem to have is that he garners a lot of attention from women just by his presence.

Let's clarify something:

YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE "ALPHA"

If you talk to your buddy, let him know that sometimes he dominates conversation with an entire group when you would like to start chatting up a girl, this problem may go away.

Really, that's not possible.



Anywayz as goes for this topic. My wing and I are quite in the same position. I'm the extrovert - hey ho let's go - type of guy whilst he's still learning the basics. I really think it damages both his and my game. My game because he's often dead weight and he's making it far more difficult escalating, far more difficult isolating. And it damages his game because he feels like a failure as he's not that smooth and he thinks I'm stealing his girl as I talk to her. All we can do is talk a lot about it.

I think you can have 2 alphas, Mystery and Style, and Zack and Rob etc.

But, as was said here you must have a gameplan and an agreement. Most of your friends who are not into this PUA business will not understand that or abide by those rules. However some of your friends, especially if they are married or have a gf, will play the willing 2nd fiddle to you.

Yes, it is. Alpha is not about being dominant over others. If you have a friend, and the two of you are equals, and treat eachother with respect as opposed to being in active competition with eachother, then you are fine.

Say you put Style and Mystery on one table with four girls and two other dudes. What will happen is that either one of those two will lead the conversation which will make him the alpha of that moment. But it does not matter so much actually. This topic talks about an other subject.

Hi All!

Thank you for the informative replies. We are truly friends and in fact the scenario we're in is that we are not sarging, but its just that we hang out in beaches and bars to pass boredom. We are both foreigners working as colleagues. He's the older 36yo soon-to-be-father with a HB9 wife and faithful. While I'm the 27yo totally inexperienced guy. He's already knows about me (and my inexperience) and he even offered the ladies attracted to him to me. Sounds good but I thought its like I didn't pick up and it wasn't my game. And the possibility that girl will decline as I am invisible to them when he is there.

I am not an ugly person, nor shy. But just maybe his God-given genetics are superior.

I will go for the emulate route. I can't emulate what is genetically his but I see a lot of manly and chick-magnet qualities from him that I can emulate. He's a really good fellow to be with than the boring AFC-like friends I had.

Though, one would be surprised that he isn't doing the usual PUA-stuff like peacocking, lines, routines, etc. But let's just say I'm going to ignore that observation.

Thanks again for the replies for helping clear this out.

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You can score girls without lines and routines. Good body posture, attitude and verbal skills are far better than the who lies more routine which is just a conversationstarter. You can try to copy the way he behaves when in the presence of girls. His posture, the way he moves, the way he talks, but most of all the way he (probably) considers the presence of ladies in his surroundings as totally normal. People who are used to female attention behave differently because they think differently.

I have some friends just like the one you described. I was out with them on Saturday night and found that whenever i opened a girl or group of girls, they were there (like flys around s**t).
They managed to interrupt most of the conversations I'd started and alienate me from (unintentionally) the group, so I left the bar unannounced and went sarging on my own. Told the girls I'd met that I'd lost my friends...

I didn't let it get to me otherwise I would have ended up going home.

Like p-style said "PUA-stuff like peacocking, lines, routines" are not essentially necessary to be attractive

these game techniques are valuable, and time-tested amplifiers of attractions and to some degree building blocks for attraction. They are a crutch that most of us use to some extent to supplement our personal games but don't confuse the map with the terrain.