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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:42 am 
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i went out with my friends today, i opened a 2set by using the opener ''who lies more, men or women?" the respond to it pretty well, but after that the conversation just went dead, they seem like they are not interested (do u guys think its because of my race, i am chinese), so my quetion is how do u guys keep the girls interested in u???if thats a mixed set, would u still use the same opener, or u would use some normal conversation topic to open the guy then introduce urself to the girls??? also after the opener, how do u guys run the conversation???? is there any things that u should focus on when u r opening a set or do u guys have any tips about opening??????
i know thats a lot of questions guys, thx a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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1. Stop using so many question marks
2. Race has nothing to do with it (99.9% of the time)
3. Work on your natural game
4. Practice
5. Practice
6. Practice

Good luck! :)

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On a more helpful note, you stack openers, meaning you carry the conversation a little while until they girls get comfortable and interested enough to first help carry, and then they carry the conversation entirely. This is called the hookpoint.

There is more to it than this, if you use the Mystery Method, you must also lock yourself in, and use body language to show, that you are not too into them, but just an interesting person in general.

Good luck.


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after the opener, u want her to be more comfortable and i think the best way to do so is to make her talk about herself if she alone or ask them how they know each other(if it's a group). when u done with that, use few trick u know. In my case i dt know any so i go straight to the negs. And like one the guys said, use your body language when u talk it's help a lot.


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Just be yourself and keep it interesting. Make her day, not yours. If you`re comfortable with just talking to the girl and getting to know her, she will feel the same. Have fun.


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So its a pretty boring night and decided to help a few guys out in need of it. Here's just about almost everything you need to know.

Well dude, once you understand how women think, its pretty easy to sense how they'll feel and how they'll respond and what you should and shouldn't say. just about every man makes it seem like they are impossible to figure out but they're at all very not.

First you need to understand your roll in this world as a man. Men are hunters and women are gatherers. Men are suppose to be tough and manly, im not saying go around kicking every guys ass that checks her out but i mean is to show you're a dominant and confidant male. Women want MEN!!! not little immature over emotional insecure boys who cant take care of them.

Second, "BALANCE" is the key to a successful relationship. Have a sense of humor and don't be so uptight, be clever and witty and make her laugh during conversations. When girls say they like jerks(many men take this completely the wrong way), they don't mean they want assholes! tease them but don't insult them, grow a set of balls and learn to say NO if you don't feel like saying YES. Don't be a yes man and give in to her every command.. So you wanna make her fall head over heals for you? Show her you'll be fine with out her, have attractive female friends and don't be shy when you're in a situation where you have to talk to a girl in-front of her. You do this by being yourself... easy right? and by the way, you don't have to be Mr. alpha male allllll the tiiiiiime geeze, its okay to be sensitive and show you have flaws and you do have feelings ya know? shows you're human. Oh yea, and don't cheat if you actually want a meaningful relationship.

Okay, and now to answer your question, "how do i keep a conversation going after an opener". Well after you get a response, all you gotta do bro.. is follow up with another question based on what she just said to you and keep doing it.... And that's it dude, that's the magic trick to a conversation. You then begin finding things you have in common and think of stories that you can relate on. All of a sudden shit happens and you're both laughing your asses off and the convo is far from dull.
Another incredibly important thing, learn to put yourself in her shoes. Think buddy, that's how you avoid saying idiotic shit..

The most important fact of all however.. You've heard it before and you'll hear it again. Practice makes perfect!

A few other things.. Do Not never ever ever let anyone or anything bring you down, people will judge you but to you it should mean nothing because life goes on(Thank God) and it happens to everyone, the only peoples opinion that should mean something are from those you actually care about. No one could ever define the person you are because you know who you really are and only you can define the person you are. If a girl shuts you down, don't feel bad about it man, its not like you were meant to be anyways. Life is a journey and when you fail at something you still gain something far greater and that is wisdom my friend. Live a happy full life, bang bitches, find purpose, practice self discipline, chase your dreams and most of all follow your heart. you'll become a better man inside and out.

any more questions, feel free to ask. one more thing actually, don't try so hard to prove you're all of these things, after you hard wire it into your brain, it all happens naturally.


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^good post


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So its a pretty boring night and decided to help a few guys out in need of it. Here's just about almost everything you need to know.

Well dude, once you understand how women think, its pretty easy to sense how they'll feel and how they'll respond and what you should and shouldn't say. just about every man makes it seem like they are impossible to figure out but they're at all very not.

First you need to understand your roll in this world as a man. Men are hunters and women are gatherers. Men are suppose to be tough and manly, im not saying go around kicking every guys ass that checks her out but i mean is to show you're a dominant and confidant male. Women want MEN!!! not little immature over emotional insecure boys who cant take care of them.

Second, "BALANCE" is the key to a successful relationship. Have a sense of humor and don't be so uptight, be clever and witty and make her laugh during conversations. When girls say they like jerks(many men take this completely the wrong way), they don't mean they want assholes! tease them but don't insult them, grow a set of balls and learn to say NO if you don't feel like saying YES. Don't be a yes man and give in to her every command.. So you wanna make her fall head over heals for you? Show her you'll be fine with out her, have attractive female friends and don't be shy when you're in a situation where you have to talk to a girl in-front of her. You do this by being yourself... easy right? and by the way, you don't have to be Mr. alpha male allllll the tiiiiiime geeze, its okay to be sensitive and show you have flaws and you do have feelings ya know? shows you're human. Oh yea, and don't cheat if you actually want a meaningful relationship.

Okay, and now to answer your question, "how do i keep a conversation going after an opener". Well after you get a response, all you gotta do bro.. is follow up with another question based on what she just said to you and keep doing it.... And that's it dude, that's the magic trick to a conversation. You then begin finding things you have in common and think of stories that you can relate on. All of a sudden shit happens and you're both laughing your asses off and the convo is far from dull.
Another incredibly important thing, learn to put yourself in her shoes. Think buddy, that's how you avoid saying idiotic shit..

The most important fact of all however.. You've heard it before and you'll hear it again. Practice makes perfect!

A few other things.. Do Not never ever ever let anyone or anything bring you down, people will judge you but to you it should mean nothing because life goes on(Thank God) and it happens to everyone, the only peoples opinion that should mean something are from those you actually care about. No one could ever define the person you are because you know who you really are and only you can define the person you are. If a girl shuts you down, don't feel bad about it man, its not like you were meant to be anyways. Life is a journey and when you fail at something you still gain something far greater and that is wisdom my friend. Live a happy full life, bang bitches, find purpose, practice self discipline, chase your dreams and most of all follow your heart. you'll become a better man inside and out.

any more questions, feel free to ask. one more thing actually, don't try so hard to prove you're all of these things, after you hard wire it into your brain, it all happens naturally.

Full of wisedom mate! I appreciate what you said when you ended up and I find it practical to pursue a conversation basing on her standpoint on your opener ! generally I use this in the transition phase before playfully neg'ing' and starting the DHV story ( I've got 3 that I use frequently so that I can place at least one and it seems to be contextual ! ) ; the best thing to do next is to start a game ( Lie game/ESP routine/Cube routine ) it builds comfort and intimacy grows steadily ...then you land it to the comfort zone by qualifying her .. you assume next to be gifty about sthg ; they'll be intricated ... you Know palmreading then start Kino! It's a piece of charm as a technique ; hope you appreciate ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:22 am 
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Very good advice back there. You really have to practice a lot especially since you seem new to the game. Stick to a topic you know well so you can keep the conversation going when there's a lag. Being in a mixed group makes it interesting because there will be varied point of views.


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