And exactly what PUA Student said.. Don`t go to some private places, romantic shit and all that.. You do that when you are IN a relationship and it`s the worst thing you can do when you are in a friendzone. When you will "decide" to make a move, do it when you are at some party or just when you are out on a drink with your common friends. But don`t arrange it. Just let it come out as "spontaneous". All girls LOVE that, bcs then they have a feeling that it was "meant to be" and defence shields are lowered tromendesly! And after that when you do the usual- wait for 3 IOI`s, then isolate, a little comfort, reframe during all of this phases of course and then KC. If you suceed, then you start to arrange things, but not too needy.

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deliver please

hey again.! okay, im not gonna ask her for a movie night. But my problem is, i live in a small town, where there is like nothing to do. We cant go bowling because, thats to fare away. no place to play pool or anything. hmm any suggestion? all the suggestion you listed, is not available in my city:( Or of course a cup of cofee is always go at one of our cafees:)! maybe ask her out for a cup of coffee then.
But a update. We started talking abit of fb and then on phone, think we talked for almost 2½hour everything was like "before" talking laughing teasing etc. Was nice. She then asked into my date, how it went etc and so on. And i told her it went alright. and then changed topic(why did she ask?). After awhile think it was around 11 in the evening we chattede on fb again. I then idk if it was smart played the jealousy card, because i had an appointment with a friend. So i told her, that i was going to see one of my friends. And said that, it was a female. think i wrote" Anyway i have to run, one of my friends she, just asked if i come over and fix her computer and she is bribing me with beer and chips, so have to go. Have have fun evening." Normally when we end coversation its like, yeah u too have fun etc. But her reply was just, "oh ok. bb."
I know im over analyzing haha:P.
And a update on the other girl i went on a date with, the whole "not Bf material" is bullshit. talked to a mutual friend of ours. And he told me, that some weeks ago, i kc a girl, but she was unfortunately the girl i was on a date withs friend. Woops.
+ she kinda thinks im talking to, to many girls(im just trying to be a pua). hm Should i try and "regame" her. and if so, how do i "save" this one?. And she also asked my friend, if i really was interested in her. Or just looking for a one night. Because i apparently send her so mixed signals.(didnt knew i did that). But my friend told me, that he will "look into" if i was interested into more then just a quick hit and run. Because apparently she wanted to know hm.(?)
Thanks so fare, for all the answers !

1. No dates. It`s much too needy and BF-GF style if you ask me. Date is ok with someone you met one night at the party, and you ask for a day 2.. But it`s recomended to make a day 2 during the day and then make a date as a day 3. But if you talk about that girl you`ve been after so long- NO FUCKING DATES!!
2. Why the fuck do you talk to her so much? This is NOT a freeze-out. You have to leave this shit to rest for some time. Talk, that`s ok, but not that much.. Also i don`t know why you asked her "why did you ask"? Or is that a question for us? Though nice message you wrote her when you left the chat ) yes.. Over analyzing. STOP THAT. Seriously, it leeds you NOWHERE! Just relax and leave this for some time, and for a while YOU wait for smth spontaneous to happen.
3. And the last section.. Talking to a mutual friend. NO NO NO NO NO. Don`t do that. I mean it. The less people, including your friends, know about it, the better she will feel-more comfortable. Ok, you hear smth your mutual friend tells you-what she told him. Fuck that, you hear it, but if you save it into your data, it mixes everything she told you and what you heard and what she`s doing, and you are back to over analyzing, which leads to the point where things are in truth very simple, but you have your head full of those informatiosn and analyses, so you complicate everything and it DOES NOT come out good. Believe me, been there, done that-NOT GOOD. So yes, you hear it, forget it as much as you can and by no means inquire about her or what she said, thinks.. !!
That other part is great. You talk to a lot of girls, you game them and you come off to girls as a HV guy. You have to be careful with this when you see that you could have smth with one girl, and then you blew it bcs you made out with her friend Well, regame her, IF she gives you IOIs, don`t do it bcs someone told you she likes you and what are the reasons blablabla.. But of course if you have that knowledge, you at least know a bit (these informations are ALWAYS blown a bit out of proportions) why she is acting like this and you know you have to dig A LITTLE deeper. But not too much. Remember, look for IOIs and based on them, you then decide what you should do. In this case, look for hidden IOIs. That are IOIs that don`t come out of her in her words, how she acts, but in those little moments.. Well, I can`t explain it to you, but you just see those moments and you know if there are IOIs..

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He who loves 50 people has 50 woes; he who loves no one has no woes.

A more elegant way to say "I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one" ?

Give her a huge dose of sexual tension. If I were you, I would say this, "I'm sorry but we can't talk anymore, you make me so horny and I constantly think of fucking you hard up to the point where I have recurring dreams of having you do dirty stuff."

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Chris, I`ve read your 3rd reply now and in all three, although they are different subjects, you suggest how he should say he wishes to fuck her etc.. What the fuck is the matter with you? If you don`t have any good advices, don`t post, or post these under the section where they`re asking how to not get laid or smth.

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try to freeze her out for a week, in the meantime, try to get some pics with other girls to post on your facebook.. if you talk to her about your dates, instead of saying they where alright, tell her they where cool and the girl really digs you.. Show her that other girls want you.

Gotta make her fight for you! not the other way around.. like chris said, try to build some sexual tension..

Hey guys, sorry for not writing for awhile. Been really busy with school. Anyway i froze her out for 1 week or so. And then we meet at a party where i came early and she later. I didnt wanted to go over and say hello as the first person, because thats what i been doing before i started posting here. I was just sitting with friends talking, then her friend came her to me and i asked why i didnt wanted to talk to her friend anymore and i should stop ignoring her. Anyway we talked abit back and forward about, me telling her that i was not ignoring her friend but i been super busy so i haven had time. Then she came over and asked more or less the same quesiton, why i was ignoring her. I gave her the same speech. And we talked abit more back and fort. She saying i been ignoring her, me say no i haven( at that point she haven writen or contacted me) Anyway after awhile things "cooled" down and we talked normal for some mins then i told her i had to go and went over to my friends again. Later at the party i started talking to a girl we ended up dancing, abit close. I then saw her, after i was dancing with a girl. Dancing with some random guy. Anyway later again her friend the one who i had been discussing with tried to kiss me. I moved away so she didnt. She was really drunk and i have no idea why she did it. And after that i left. Things was to weird:P. Anyway going to a big party tonight where both of them are gonna be. Im just gonna keep it cool as always and be a pua.

A little update. Went to the party awesome party. Talked to alot of people and got some attentions from alot of girls who where there(DHV). I only talked briefly with the girl that is my "target". And quickly ended with conversation and moved onto talking to group of girls. Today some pictures was put up on fb with me and some of the girls that was at the party and i wrote on my status that i was a awesome night. She wrote me on fb and i asked her when she is going home for christmas and shes going home in 1month. She said: Before i go home we should watch toy story someday. We talked about this movie some time ago. Its the first time she shown interested in "meeting" the other times i have put up suggestion if we should do something. I just replied with, yeah i really wanna see that movie again. And i was kinda busy the next couple of weeks, but she could write a day and i see if i could fit it my calender.
My question is, why did she all the sudden ask if we should watch it. And should i mention a day where we should watch it (since my schedule is abit busy the next couple of weeks)/bring up the movie next time we talk or is it up to her?
Thanks so fare guys!

It's called horny nexting her. I'd say that 99% of all "getting out of friend-zone" situations out there are resolved by letting the girl know that your intention is to fuck her followed up by complete silence. ALL friend-zone situations are due to poor escalation, and therefore there's only one cure for all. Either that or the OPs were indirectly implying that they were friend-zoned therefore coming off as different subjects.

If I'm wrong, then tell me oh great master pick-up guru, how do you trick a girl into having sex with you? If you already thought of a legit answer for that question before finishing up on reading this thread, then you are wasting your time and breath on picking up women.

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Chris2k10's approach is actually really good in my opinion, although you might not want to come off as strong as he's suggesting as it could come across as sexual harassment or make you seem like a person with unstable mental health.

the approach of saying something similar along those lines would do everything in your favor, i haven't read any of this thread apart from a few posts. But if you're stuck in the friend zone the only thing you can do is stop talking to her for long enough until she realizes that you could have changed in that time. When you come back to talking to her, you're going to have to show her that you're not the same person and that you're SEXUAL towards her, she will then not be able to say "he's a great friend" she'll have to make a decision. Either be sexual with you, or not have you in her life as much. Her choice.
Just be careful as i said before about how strong you come off. I completely agree with Chris2k10, This is great way to the friend zone temporarily, don't talk to her after you say that until she puts you out of the friend zone. then come back in a different man in her eyes.

Bottom line is, this approach isn't risky, because you have nothing to lose if you're in the friend zone and you want more. So go all out.

To the unstable mental health part you mentioned. My mindset is this: "It's your fault for making my mind unstable, stop being so sexy. Really, if you keep going on with it, you're gonna give me a new disorder."

To be honest though, I've never had any issues regarding sexual harassment or being mentally unstable as sexually aggressive as I am. The reason being is I go at it as if I'm on her team. I'm not confronting her during the seduction.

"Oh you come out too strong, how can you say that."
-Well what do you expect for being a pretty girl? Instead of trying to trick you into having sex with me like most of these guys I'm just being honest about it.

The benefit of being friends though is that you have a lot of compliance and rapport built up. The girl has found you to be such a great little friend and now she sees you being such a bad boy. She remembers you always being such a nice guy. She starts shaking her head. It just doesn't add up. Maybe instead of her affecting your studying by making you so damn horny, you're now affecting her studying.

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To be honest, i don't think there's any benefit of being friends, you're better off not to have any history at all. But i still stand by what i said earlier, break off the contact with her, until it comes to her attention that you could have changed during the absence in your contact with her.

I don't think there is really an issue with being mentally unstable if you're telling her the truth, but make sure it's the truth, and yeah, blame it on her. It's her problem if she has a problem with it.