"Looks" result in large part from inner game. Surprising nobody has brought this up yet in an understandable way.

I'm quite happy with TS that he acknowledged that the reason he was fat because he was undisciplined. A lot of people fall short of this acknowledgement and so it's an inner game achievement for the TS. Kudos, if everyone was like you and would take responsibility for their actions it'd be a better world.

However, sometimes people are chubby without having inner game issues. You (well, I can and I bet most women can too) can always tell which are the fatties (or skinnies or whatever) who are like that because they have inner game issues and which are simply like that because they wanna be. Being who you want to be is attractive no matter (within reason, obesity is unattractive no matter what) who that is.

Example (my hero): James Spader. Not really physically attractive by any standard beauty ideal, yet he still seems pretty doable to a lot of women because he is comfortable in his own skin and he's not about to be apologetic or insecure about his looks.

So the conclusion, imo, is that when bad looks are a result of bad inner game then they have a hugely negative impact on results. When they are a result of good inner game they have no impact, no matter if it means you are chubby, skinny or model-looking.

Maybe a very small percentage.. so small that it doesnt matter.

However sure it may help if they have equal game.

If you are asking yourself if "I should" then yeah, you probably should.

I have been dieting, exercising since April 4th and went from 295 down to 209 as of today.

Do it for yourself, and your health. You will feel so much better. Don't do it to increase your game and to 'pick up chicks', because from my experiences, just because you dropped a bunch of weight, women still look at you the same until you open your mouth.

My confidence is still down in the trenches from when I was at 295-300lbs. I recently joined up on this site to get my game going.

ill rather be a little overweight then skinny.. its a proven fact, women dont like scrawny guys the most..

im 5"8 175 pds i take care of myself in the gym..

it dosent take much to get in shape 3 days a week working out for one hour..

gives you a tremoundous confidence boost.

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Matters more than you think, if you don't think so then you must think first impressions don't matter either.

And Cosmo is filled with pics of fat ugly guys with their shirts off.

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certain weight doesnt matter, as long as your not a extreme of either side (super fat or skinny) it usually isn't the biggest problem a girl thinks about.
Looks and weight matter, and yes they only matter a small percent (unless your like i described above). Would you rather have a slightly larger woman that cooks, does the dishes, and loves you; or a normal weight bitch who keeps you on a chain? see how little weight matters whether or not you liked the first one or second one? For once women actually think the same way (weird ikr)

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To game at your best you have to be willing to do your worst.

Then go lose some weight.
Then go get yourself a fat dick and get into porn for 30 years.
When's the last time you saw a fat guy who really, really cares about himself?
So your looks don't have anything to do with YOU? What's your pick up line, "Don't look at me baby. Look INSIDE me . . ." - LOL . .
Yes . . . people who have yo-yo'ed some weight can shed some light on this matter. Lose weight and your face changes. Lose weight and your attitude changes. Lose weight and people will look at you differently. Go ahead and keep your 'same attitude' and gain weight. The World around you will be different. People WILL treat you differently. All bad or all good? No . . . but but it's fascinating to me why so many people here push back on something so fucking obvious. What do you guys have against looking your best?

You guys out on something nice when you go out don't you? Don't you comb your hair? Don't you wash your face? Do you think you look better with a pot belly and a pudgy face? The only difference between improving your looks by combing your hair vs. losing weight is that one takes planing, discipline, and patience. (All attractive qualities)
Many guys here talk about 'inner game' as if it's a stand alone quality. Lose some weight and you're inner game will improve. Improve your inner game and you'll want to lose some weight.
Yes, if you're not physically attractive, find some ways to get more physically attractive or make 50 Hollywood movies.

Many of you guys are missing the point of PU. The idea isn't to find out 'what you can get away with . . .' Ugly slobs with no game STILL GET LAID. Do yourselves a favor and take a field trip to Walmart and watch those fat slobs with terrible people skills holding hands with their fat slob mates. And of course there you'll find an anomaly fat slob with a gorgeous girl once in a while. Is that you're goal? You want to be an anomaly PUA who lucks out with one cute girl with a fetish for fat guys?

The idea is to improve your game, improve your appearance, and improve your life so that you turn yourself into a big fucking net capable of attracting all sorts of girls from all walks of life. Then, it's up to you to choose who's a by-catch, try-once, or a keeper. There are no short cuts.

kasabi is right on point, great post.


Its the same for women, I don't find a woman that is 300lbs, dressed like a slob to be attractive. She obviously doesn't give a shit about herself. Yeah she might be nice/interesting but seriously, there is a point where there is no way I could justify getting to know her for her personality, when she looks like an Elephant.

I prefer thicker women, not fat, not skinny but just enough. When I see a huge one, I avoid. I also notice that BIG people are treated much differently than a healthy or average looking person.

There is only so much someone can take, I couldn't even look at myself in the mirror. I am starting to be able to now, but I still have another 30-40lbs to hit my goal. If you are comfortable at your weight, more power to you, but at some point you have to look ahead and put your health first. I was tired of being made fun of about my weight, sure I could joke it off but man, it really knocks you down.

Size / weight / body type and many other physical characteristics are subject to relativity.
For instance: I am a lean guy with a muscular frame, however i still don't like my body when i have a little layer of fat surrounding my abs. When i am uncomfortable, it affects my game and i fail a lot.
So, if you are happy with how you look, you have a huge bonus already.

I think you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with "50 hollywood movies" rather than "being an interesting person". Being an interesting person is a result of inner game and has nothing to do with looks.

Weight is essential, without it we'd all float away! The more weight you can mantain the better so in the event of heavy wind of a storm you will be the least likely to be blown away. That is all