I think that this is my sticking point. I would like some feedback.

I tend to enter the friend bubble so fast! I am in college, so there are plenty of girls here to choose from. I can talk to any girl here because I am older 28. Young men seem to be loud and vocal when trying to pick up and I do not get into that competition because I feel that girls dont care about that stuff.

So what I do is I end up talking to a girl and building comfort that I am not a creeper. It is something I worry about "being a creeper" so I think that is why I focus on the comfort building more then attraction. I do tease a little. I keno a little on the shoulder or grabbing a girl by the waist. I did not want to go into a specific situation detail because this happens often. I have lots of girls who just view me as a friend. Sometimes when I flirt I catch them off guard and they say something like OMG and then just laugh. I feel like I am attractive for my age. But what can I change about me so I am not the funny silly friend. I would appreciate any advice on attraction or keno. I feel like I am not a good at neging as well it always comes off kind of strange when I go to disqualify? I feel frustrated.. So I welcome some PUA help?

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your problem is not that you need to change your apparance to be more attractive, whats happening is that your staying at comfort building and when you build to much comfort thats when you get the LJBF (Lets just be friends) or stuck in the friend zone.

Once this happens, theres no leaving it, your the little brother friend with no sexuality for life

The thing to do is, just build a small amount of comfort, after you do that, then start expressing sexuality. It sounds like your afraid of expresing sexual intrest at first (we have all been there) just think to yourself, Im a good looking guy and im the prize. And start expressing sexual intent and sexuality

Get a 2nd date set up or something, and start kino building but in a sexual way say things that show your sexual active, (even if there lies) Once you show your sexuality like this and you have built attraction isolate her and seduce her

Basic PUA outline:

1. Select a Target
2. Open target
3. Demonstrate value/Neg
4. Build Comfort
5. Build Attracting
6. Isolate to a seduction location
7. Seduce her (lots of sexy)
8. Manage expectations (post sex)

Thats the basic outline, like i said sounds like your building "To Much" comfort and arnt transiting to the sexual side soon enough or boldy enough.

Hope this helps man, dont sweat it tho, we have all gone through this before, just takes some practice

Nice, thank you.

Yes the LJBF. I have gotten that. Or from time to time I get that.

I have been on this blog every night for a week. I notice the very small cues from everyone. Things feel like such a game anymore.

I feel that I am a small step above my friends. Like, I can tell them what is going on in the unspoken world. I would much rather be the guy who can lead by example!

I like how you put (even if there lies) in your response. I thinking more often that women want you to be some master bullshitter. I have the honest face I suppose. I have just been told by a girl that they would not think that I would ever lie to them (she is just a friend). I can (sometimes) see how my words come out as nothing but the truth. Is that a good or bad thing? Or can I use this to my advantage in this game.

Damn! I have been trying to be bolder but I still feel like I can do better. So true. I do smile more often as of recent. Seeing more people flirt around. I feel more attractive then I have in a wile? I have been text gaming with my girls that are friends and overall it went over well. We both had a laugh. I think I understand girls a little more then rock bottom.

I feel like a chode typing this, lol.. Ahh, its just opening up my mouth for a laugh, and not caring what people may think, right.. Motivation is from within.. I worked on my inner game a bit or so I thought. But I have a insecure relationship with attraction! Not the worst, but I don't want to be the best of the worst ether.

Attraction requires you pay full attention at all times. It requires a disciplined mind. For the future, I will totally allow myself to feel attractive. Thank you for the advice. I love the feedback, means so much more when someone else sees it.. Have to admit I do feel awkward being sexy, they sense it, they have too.

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Working on inner game and insecurities takes alot of time and practice. I consider myself a very good looking guy. But i had alot of insecurities about my looks for a while, it takes alot of time to really get over them and be comfortable with yourself.

As long as your a decent looking guy, looks really arnt that imporant, its more about game and how to you talk to girls and hold yourself. Im sure you have seen lots of ugly guys with really hot girls all over them, and attractive guys with fat girlfriends lol.

But just keep working at getting comfertable with yourself, like i said it takes alot of time. Once you have sex with a couple of girls and have some sucess with being a PUA it really helps alot with self esteem.

Being a good PUA and having good game is a continues process, its not something that you can just acomplish and then just from then on always be great with girls its something you need to constantly practice and work on.

Bro,

I feel you and the posts so far have been excellent. I will add one little bit more of adivse to stay out of the "FRIEND ZONE". Get SEXUAL right away. Not throwing your body all over her.... but talking SEXUAL. I do this by running reutines that also build attraction... DHV... and that are fun and flirty. PLAY games with them at the bar... that is my favorite! Iv had more girls by my drinks then ever.

Also here is one of my favorite lines to use after 5-10 mins of talking to her.

Say this "you know, i think ur really cool... like wev just met but id love to take you to dinner or a movie and hang out with you again...... EVEN IF I DIDNT WANT TO FUCK YOU (say the bold with confidence and look her in the EYE). This right away lets her know you want to see her again and u2 can get to kno eachother more.... which is great... but also now she doesnt c u as just a "friend". She now knows that yes you want to bang her... and if she accepts that... then there is no friendzone anymore.

also when u say this sometimes girls will b thrown off or as their other friends "did he just say he wanted to fuck me?" and then u stay confident... and be like ya i did... thats what up.... and she will most likly be like... ok or smile. I have never had this1 backfire bro....

GL

I enjoyed reading the advice and replies. I took them to heart and used some tricks at the bar. Thank you.

Ok guys I just had a great night at the bar with two very lovely women. The whole time I was telling myself; I am the prize, over and over. I know one women picked up on it real quick. I then ran through a few of my tricks after some nice covo with them.

I said I know magic. Then did the whole number guess thing with 1-10 and 1-7. It worked both times with 7 and 4. It was great for the vibe. Also I read on this forum that it is great to shift where you look between her eyes and her mouth. This is a new trick I never used until the last couple nights and it does seem to up the sexy vibe. After that when both women were together I used your new line on them both. Yeah that is right same time.

The reaction was really priceless. I had total attraction during and after that time. The one women said she was jealous of the other. I was so happy this whole time. I thought it was never going to work but it was a total success.

A couple of things that seemed odd. First, my keno sucks. I dont know how to properly touch a women without feeling a tad strange about it and it shows. I did a lot of strange shoulder rubs and taps, also knees. The cool thing was that she was into me and did not seem to mind, she teased me back by touching a little her self.

If anyone can break down a good keno touch I would like that? Also any other tricks you guys got to go with the I know magic line? I really like that line. It just seems to generate a lot of attraction.

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Greetings! I know what you're talking about. I used to have this problem that I could just not make girls attracted to me, some were attracted and I could handle those ones from there easily, but most of them just didn't see me as a MAN.

You have to be sexual. Playfully of course, but you need to learn this. When you're talking with girls you have to make comments that are funny and sexual. Don't be afraid of this... It takes some time to calibrate this but once you're there it is GOLD.

Later on, it will be totally subconcious. I remember when on the campus me, a friend of mine, and a girl he knew(I didn't) were talking. Somehow the topic became that her ex was caring more about his video games than her.

Suddenly, without even thinking about it, I smiled and asked :"Was he fucking well at least?" Just a little moment of silence and then she said:"Well...that's the only thing he did well for 2 years" Then we all laughed. Saying something like this used to be unimaginable for me... I would have just said like "What a douche" or something like this.

Yes I was a little rude...Did I care? No. Have I seen signs of attraction from this girl later? Yes...Altough I wasn't really interested, that's another story. Be hell-bent! Of course, you'll also have to learn when it's enough. Girls don't like the all cocky arrogant douche either(but to tell the truth, they still get laid more than the "not-cocky-at all" type)

Good Luck!

EDIT: I've just read your last comment about kino. That's another thing that needs to be practised and calibrated. Touching shoulders and knees is a good start. For easy kino escalation I suggest you "The Claw". It is just fucking MONEY. You'll feel like a rockstar in that position and she will feel like The Bitch of the rockstar.

It is so easy and so natural. You just put your hands around her neck. You tell her something, and then you could even let go. Repeat it a few times throughout the night and hold on to it a little longer every time. Also, this clawing position is easy to turn into a kiss-close. You can also "Claw" her hips. All women shall bow before the power of The Claw.

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I like all the feedback from my thread.

I am new to this blog and to have so many people read my $hit and possible have some benefit from it is inspiring to myself.

Attraction is a lot of fun I have been playing with it more and more. I think calibration is the hardest. Because when you drop a line on a female or toy with attraction around her. I get a little excited. I was thinking it is best not to show my excitement. Just play it cool, right?

about the claw idea? I have no prob doing this around her waist. But to lock my hands around a girls neck after we just met?? This seems like I am merging on assault. I suppose I could do that in a seductive manor. So I can see what your saying. I can see dancing as a good way to lead in to this position.

I like to dance in general. But it does seem like a fake video game for a moment. I mean you build that attraction, it spikes. Then the song is done and your off the dance floor and then what? I can talk about anything? But keeping that strong desirable level of attraction up after a sexy dance seems like a challenge to myself?

I appreciate all the comments from your awesome dudes willing to help me out.

I promise to be more forward and bold with women.

I still need help with the BOLD part? How bold? How cocky? I'm already funny. I just want to get her as wet as I can. You know!

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How cocky, you ask? That differs from person to person and from woman to woman AND from situation to situation(whether she's alone or surrounded by her "guardian angels") This is why calibration is super-important.

Clawing her neck is like an assault you say? Definitely not, my friend. It's about how you do it. You have to do it like it's natural and never hang on to it for too long. Just let go after a few seconds. I'll give you a concrete example to make it clear how I do it.

So there was this chick with her friend I opened in a bar. I can't remember the opening it was several montsh ago... But what I remember that I suddenly got a risky idea:

I told her something like "Come closer, I want to tell you something important" her, overpowered by curiousity leaned in, I clawed her neck, and told her(noticably over-dramatically) "Did you know, that at this moment about a hundred-million people are kissing?" And then I just let her go smiling. It just took a few seconds and it was a nice push-pull. Well, at least it turned out to be good with that chick

The trick was, I created a fake reason, I like to call these "mini-frames", for clawing her in, and you really should have seen the curious look on her face, and then I tell her something so unimportant, irrelevant BUT sexual, and just let her go. She got super-confused, it took her a while to figure out what the hell was going on, and this way, I already started to become interesting in her eyes.

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Thanks Fisher, I used the hundred million people kissing one and I did get a look of awe. It was very cool.

On the point of attraction I perhaps attract the wrong women with my game/routine. I was wondering about this when I had a couple awesome nights with women who seem to not appreciate the effort. Thus I did not get laid.

I love this advice though I have used everything you guys have said and I find myself looking for more opportunity for some type of keno. Its a creative way of thinking. That is the way to think.

I have to walk up to more of the ones I like. Whatever anyone may think of me. Even myself.

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