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Hey.. I could sure use your help on my text-problem, but don`t want to double post, maybe you could take a look?
On the same mid-game subforum as this, subject: "Retrieving a girl10er with a boyfriend from 1. /2. base"

Nice work on the other texts..
All right, I went and read your post.

Now to your message..

"Hey, didn`t actually plan on texting you because of the whole "boyfriend thing" after I walked you home from B81 . But what can I say, I`m to curious to help it. So, how`s it going? "

The biggest mistake is to bring up her "boyfriend situation". I mean I cannot even begin to understand that after all the hand holding and the kissing what would prompt a guy to bring up the one single thing that would nuke your chances with her.

You do not need to remind her of her relationship status. She knows of it, and yet she kisses you. That should mean that she was interested in you enough. And you should have built on that.

And then you offering her "help" to deal with it? That just makes no sense whatsoever. Look, you need to keep your priorities limited to yourself. Stop making decisions for her and stop thinking about her life.

I think you had a great chance here and all you needed to say was "I had a wonderful time with you tonight." that night and move on to normal attraction and comfort building processes. But, I think you ruined this opportunity.

Well, we always can learn from our mistakes.

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thanks don draper for the previous answer, i have another question now.
i dated a girls and we met three times....we just kissed and touched nothing more....everything was going allright and last time i met her we agreed to meet againg in a week.....after that i texted her and called her but she didn't anwer.She didn't answer two of my textes and two of my calls in a whole week so after that i decided not to contact her again......it's been three weeks since i don't see her and now i'd like to contact her again.
We were never been friends on facebook before so i'd like to add her (i don't know her last name and probably she doesn't know mine).
I'd like to send her a text and tell her to add me or give me her surname so i can add her.
what do you think is the best line to write to create interest (think about that previously she wanted to add me) and make her accept that.
I would write like this:
Hi, it's been a while, how are you ? i was thinking that we spoke about adding each others but we never did......add me my name is "xxxxxxx xxxxxxx" or give me your full name so i can add you.see you soon.
My line might be ok but doesn't create a lot of interest.....if you have a better one let me know....thanks don.
Hello arnolfo.


I think you dropped it somewhere along the way, and while you had to continuously escalate to reach a close... you took your pedal off the gas as to say and the attraction died down between you two.

I am going to tell you to move on from this attempt as to not give her the wrong idea of you stalking her, as that will put her off even more.

Look, next time, don't hesitate to pull the trigger. The whole one week gap might have been enough to completely kill off the attraction between you two. Once you are firmly into the pick up process, don't get complacent until you've reached the end point : Sex. And then, you can figure out where to take things from there.

So, take my words with the hope that you can improve from here and there's a LOT of women in the world with whom you won't repeat the same mistakes with.

Good luck to you.

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Hey Don,

This situation might look very familiar to you, but couldn't find anything similar on the forum. Feeling a bit silly writing this, but any help would really be appreciated!

I met this girl who I picked up as a hitchhiker. That same night we went to a street festival. To keep things short we started texting and went for a date, which was fun. From that moment onwards things started to get long-winded. Initially after the date she didn't return my phonecall, but kept on sending text messages. Two weeks ago she went on a holiday and said she would get back to me after she comes back. This Friday I responded to one of her texts: " Fairly good thanks, lets figure out a time to meet, how is early next week looking for you?" Whereafter she took two days to reply and said "Am so glad you are doing good, so I am, currently freaking out about my time management. my life consists out of school, work and finding a new place to stat.but we should def. meet up soon!x"

Normally I would take a busy as a not interested. But this certain situation leaves me confused. Any tips if and what to send back?

Thanks a lot for your help!
I think the flaking has got more to do with the lack of comfort between you two than the overall status quo of "not interested".

She's already been on a date with you, so I am thinking that the subsequent things getting "long winded" might've made it awkward and uncomfortable between you both and tell me, honestly, which girl would like to spend some time privately with a guy who makes her feel like that.

So, now you focus on building comfort with her. Start by establishing a basic easy-flowing rapport. Keep talking to her, as much as you can, but keep the ratio of send:reply strictly 1:1. Remember that you need to approach it as a re-set of the whole pick-up scenario except that you have the advantage of already a date with her and that's good. Now, listen to me carefully, you don't bring up the idea of hanging out with her together until you are sure that she is as comfortable to that as she can be and then you play that card again.

This time she will agree to you.

Good luck.

And thanks for thinking of me.

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Hey Don Draper, I gotta say, this thread has been pretty useful. I hate having to ask for help but I think I need one right now.

basically, went on a couple of dates with this girl and we've been texting all the time - expect after the second date which wasn't very good, we slowed down with the whole texting. Yesterday she txted me a random message and I text her this:

me - Something pretty crazy happened to me yesterday
HB- ahhh, and what would that be ??
me- call me. I'll tell you

2 hours later, without a response, I txt her again

me- anyways, what are you up to ?
HB-sorry I couldnt call you, I'm just out with some friend at the mall. you ?
me- had lunch with a friend and I'm running some errands now. Let's meet for a quick coffee later on?
HB-My friends bday tonight so told her I'd be her date


What's the best way to follow up now ?
should I txt her tomorrow and be like "You sure are a busy girl. Well I'm a busy guy too so tell me a day where you can meet me up, and we'll figure something out" ? or should I just txt her something right now.

thanks in advance


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Hi Don
Thank you so much for the advise. I actually went out with her again just last night... we're out shopping for her annual dinner dress..
have some light kino with her ... i punch her arm when she tried to mess up my CDs in my car...i touch her hair etc etc...
yea i;m stuck in the friendzone n for sure i dont want to be just her buddy...

i will check out the Dicarlo escalation ladder.
thanks a ton !
Glad to hear you are taking my words positively.

Good luck ahead.
Hello Don

got a few more question for ya 8)
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You need to freeze her out for some time, preferably a month or so. Regain your perspective. You don't want to be her "buddy", do ya? You need to understand that pick up is a failure with kino-escalation.
You mentioned that i should freeze her for a month to regain my perspective.
Given now that i've begins light kino on her should i still freeze ?
As she will text me from time to time.. should i like ignore her and slow in response (as u advise in the previous post we shouldn't let the conversation down)

here's the text she sent to me
She: am i a good company ?
me : to who ?
she : to you !
she: coz i thought im a boring girl :(


what should i reply ? i thought of replying this
me : yea u r a boring girl but when u r with me u r a happy girl :p


thanks again Don !


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Is this a good text to send a girl for the first time? I was kissing and dancing with her 3 nights ago, rather sexual touching. She's a friend of a friend.

"Some girl with birthday badges danced like a mess on Fri! She was all over me. Who was she? NAME x"

She had the birthday badges on btw, and wasn't half as drunk as saying 'mess' implies.


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Hey Don Draper, I gotta say, this thread has been pretty useful. I hate having to ask for help but I think I need one right now.

basically, went on a couple of dates with this girl and we've been texting all the time - expect after the second date which wasn't very good, we slowed down with the whole texting. Yesterday she txted me a random message and I text her this:

me - Something pretty crazy happened to me yesterday
HB- ahhh, and what would that be ??
me- call me. I'll tell you

2 hours later, without a response, I txt her again

me- anyways, what are you up to ?
HB-sorry I couldnt call you, I'm just out with some friend at the mall. you ?
me- had lunch with a friend and I'm running some errands now. Let's meet for a quick coffee later on?
HB-My friends bday tonight so told her I'd be her date


What's the best way to follow up now ?
should I txt her tomorrow and be like "You sure are a busy girl. Well I'm a busy guy too so tell me a day where you can meet me up, and we'll figure something out" ? or should I just txt her something right now.

thanks in advance
Firstly, you need to understand something. If you've had a "bad second date" and a "slowed down texting" scenario, you do not expect her to just agree to go out with you or take your calls.

Basically, those things mean that you were pushed a couple of steps back, so don't jump to the second or third last step directly.

See, you need get re-build the whole comfort which has been lost between you two, get her to the same point when she is willing to go out with you again. Right now, she's not even in the mood to take your calls, never mind, go out for coffee with you. Place more importance on the signals she is giving out, rather than her words.

So, here your first priority should be to re-establish the easy rapport and the basic comfort level that has been lost, between you two. And then, you can proceed to calling her, and when the time's right ask her out again.

Good luck. And thanks for thinking of me.

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You mentioned that i should freeze her for a month to regain my perspective.
Given now that i've begins light kino on her should i still freeze ?
As she will text me from time to time.. should i like ignore her and slow in response (as u advise in the previous post we shouldn't let the conversation down)

here's the text she sent to me
She: am i a good company ?
me : to who ?
she : to you !
she: coz i thought im a boring girl :(


what should i reply ? i thought of replying this
me : yea u r a boring girl but when u r with me u r a happy girl :p


thanks again Don !
You don't understand what I said. You have already been entrenched deeply into her "friends zone". Now, it is up to you to decide if you want to be her "friend" or her "special friend", the one who's basically a woman, but with a penis downstairs.

Basically, you need to cut off all sorts of "goody goody five hour convos" that you have with her. You need to be short, you need to be formal if you have to reply to her messages.

Another thing here is this, you DO NOT initiate any conversation with her, in text or in person. Sure, she will initially be confused, maybe even beg you to "tell me what's wrong with you", but don't buy into that shit. She's basically missing one person who validates her on a daily scale.

Read "am i a good company ?", "coz i thought im a boring girl :( ", she is basically screaming for validation. For you to say "Nooo honey, you're a riot! We all love ya! You're the life of every party" blah blah blah. If you really want to reply right say "If you think that way, I cannot help that." and leave it at it. No :P, No :(, No shit.

You need to make a decision here, you wanna be her "buddy" or her "lover". Cause you can be both, but NOT in your present state of mind or position.

Good luck.

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Is this a good text to send a girl for the first time? I was kissing and dancing with her 3 nights ago, rather sexual touching. She's a friend of a friend.

"Some girl with birthday badges danced like a mess on Fri! She was all over me. Who was she? NAME x"

She had the birthday badges on btw, and wasn't half as drunk as saying 'mess' implies.
Wait wait wait.

So, you are telling me that you were "kissing and dancing with her 3 nights ago,rather sexual touching" and you didn't initiate contact till three days after the encounter.

Wow, that is funny is a very stupid way.

You get a woman to that high a temperature and then you let her completely freeze off for three days. I don't even know what to say here. You had to contact her within 36 hours at maximum. And don't give me the "I was busy" excuse 'cause it no longer holds valid in a social scene dominated by micro-blogging and social networking sites.

You already did the hard work, which got you the kiss. You had to just make quick contact, create comfort, ask her out and close the deal.

It was just a case of "Fast Escalation, Faster Close".

Now, you've basically reset-ted the whole pick-up. Open her with a neutral message, something like "Hey, something made me think of you today.." to gauge her interest levels and depending on that you can lead the conversation.

Good luck.

P.S. Next time, you make the contact anywhere from the next morning to the day after night. Comprende?

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Is this a good text to send a girl for the first time? I was kissing and dancing with her 3 nights ago, rather sexual touching. She's a friend of a friend.

"Some girl with birthday badges danced like a mess on Fri! She was all over me. Who was she? NAME x"

She had the birthday badges on btw, and wasn't half as drunk as saying 'mess' implies.
Wait wait wait.

So, you are telling me that you were "kissing and dancing with her 3 nights ago,rather sexual touching" and you didn't initiate contact till three days after the encounter.

Wow, that is funny is a very stupid way.

You get a woman to that high a temperature and then you let her completely freeze off for three days. I don't even know what to say here. You had to contact her within 36 hours at maximum. And don't give me the "I was busy" excuse 'cause it no longer holds valid in a social scene dominated by micro-blogging and social networking sites.

You already did the hard work, which got you the kiss. You had to just make quick contact, create comfort, ask her out and close the deal.

It was just a case of "Fast Escalation, Faster Close".

Now, you've basically reset-ted the whole pick-up. Open her with a neutral message, something like "Hey, something made me think of you today.." to gauge her interest levels and depending on that you can lead the conversation.

Good luck.

P.S. Next time, you make the contact anywhere from the next morning to the day after night. Comprende?
Man, I was pretty stunned that I managed to get kissing in the club. That's the first time I have ever managed that. I'm new to this stuff.

Damn I thought for once maybe I was properly getting somewhere.

I'll try going in with something more neutral then.


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Is this a good text to send a girl for the first time? I was kissing and dancing with her 3 nights ago, rather sexual touching. She's a friend of a friend.

"Some girl with birthday badges danced like a mess on Fri! She was all over me. Who was she? NAME x"

She had the birthday badges on btw, and wasn't half as drunk as saying 'mess' implies.
Wait wait wait.

So, you are telling me that you were "kissing and dancing with her 3 nights ago,rather sexual touching" and you didn't initiate contact till three days after the encounter.

Wow, that is funny is a very stupid way.

You get a woman to that high a temperature and then you let her completely freeze off for three days. I don't even know what to say here. You had to contact her within 36 hours at maximum. And don't give me the "I was busy" excuse 'cause it no longer holds valid in a social scene dominated by micro-blogging and social networking sites.

You already did the hard work, which got you the kiss. You had to just make quick contact, create comfort, ask her out and close the deal.

It was just a case of "Fast Escalation, Faster Close".

Now, you've basically reset-ted the whole pick-up. Open her with a neutral message, something like "Hey, something made me think of you today.." to gauge her interest levels and depending on that you can lead the conversation.

Good luck.

P.S. Next time, you make the contact anywhere from the next morning to the day after night. Comprende?
Man, I was pretty stunned that I managed to get kissing in the club. That's the first time I have ever managed that. I'm new to this stuff.

Damn I thought for once I was properly getting somewhere.

I'll try going in with something more neutral then.


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Hey.. I could sure use your help on my text-problem, but don`t want to double post, maybe you could take a look?
On the same mid-game subforum as this, subject: "Retrieving a girl10er with a boyfriend from 1. /2. base"

Nice work on the other texts..
All right, I went and read your post.

Now to your message..

"Hey, didn`t actually plan on texting you because of the whole "boyfriend thing" after I walked you home from B81 . But what can I say, I`m to curious to help it. So, how`s it going? "

The biggest mistake is to bring up her "boyfriend situation". I mean I cannot even begin to understand that after all the hand holding and the kissing what would prompt a guy to bring up the one single thing that would nuke your chances with her.

You do not need to remind her of her relationship status. She knows of it, and yet she kisses you. That should mean that she was interested in you enough. And you should have built on that.

And then you offering her "help" to deal with it? That just makes no sense whatsoever. Look, you need to keep your priorities limited to yourself. Stop making decisions for her and stop thinking about her life.

I think you had a great chance here and all you needed to say was "I had a wonderful time with you tonight." that night and move on to normal attraction and comfort building processes. But, I think you ruined this opportunity.

Well, we always can learn from our mistakes.

Good luck.
You are of course right! Not well thought through text. The reason I posted it is that I realized the mistake when it was to late, and looking for the best possible 2.nd text to send that can maybe salvage the pieces. Got a good idea?


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Hey don,

So if you remember from before that girl got back together with her bf. I haven't talk to her in like 2 weeks. She texted me this morning with "hey we should do ex credit soon?" she doesn't know this but I'm not really in the class anymore. Where should I take this conversation? Should I just keep tryi
G to build rapport and comfort like you said in last reply?

Thanks man!


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Man, I was pretty stunned that I managed to get kissing in the club. That's the first time I have ever managed that. I'm new to this stuff.

Damn I thought for once maybe I was properly getting somewhere.

I'll try going in with something more neutral then.
Well, I understand.

I would suggest you read the forum for a basic layout of gaming women. That should help you understand a bit more about how to go about the whole process of dealing with women.

And try going neutral.

Good luck.

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You are of course right! Not well thought through text. The reason I posted it is that I realized the mistake when it was to late, and looking for the best possible 2.nd text to send that can maybe salvage the pieces. Got a good idea?
Well, I hate to say it but this looks like a tough recovery.

Send her a "Hello, how are you doing today?" text to gauge out her interest level. If she replies carry on the conversation while completely ignoring the first text. Do not even bring it up, even by mistake. And DO NOT talk about her boyfriend again.

And if she doesn't reply, take it positively and learn from your mistakes.

Good luck to you.

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