I have a revelation for some of you newer guys and maybe some of you older guys here on the forum. The Opener you use almost doesn't even matter. I know a lot of us have spent hours and days writing and creating good openers. Then we take the time to map out the possible responses so we can be quick witted and have a come back for them.

The actual opener we use rarely matters to the girl, the set, or in general. 90% of the time they've forgotten what you said to them by the next day.

I know a lot of guys will claim things like this without providing so much as a shred of proof. So here we go. First of all come to the realization that 90% of what she's getting from you isn't coming out of your mouth... A large part of it's your body language, your tonality, your verbal pace, inflection, and physical demeanor. How many times have you heard a woman say it's not what he said....it's HOW he said it.

Going further with that keep in mind direct approaches work, indirect approaches work too. Situational Openers, Canned Openers, Sexual Openers, Shock Openers, Non-Verbal Openers, etc. they all work! Some of the craziest things can be said to women and the set still opens.

"Come here so I can piss in your ass!"
"I came over here to tell you I'm going to give you great sex tonight."
"What's better sex or chocolate?"
"Frozen Turkey..."
Boxers or Briefs Openers
Openers about Blindfolds
Openers about Jealous Girlfriends
Who Lies More...
Text Message Break ups
Flipping a girl the middle finger
Did you see the fight outside
We just pulled off a caper....and we're celebrating like it's oceans 11
Motioning to a girl that you like her ear rings
"Hi"
"I thought you looked adorable and I figured if I didn't come over here I'd be kicking myself later."
"My friends were having a boring conversation...so consider this like a real life Facebook Poke, my name is Jon."
"Hey, I saw you over here and I wanted to see what you are all about, I'm Jon"

I have opened sets with the most ridiculous of phrases like "Frozen Turkey" and sometimes with no opener at all and just going by verbal communication to open the set. Hell, I've even seen and gotten make outs with women by not even saying a word.

As cool as it is to write some awesome openers and come up with all the possible responses the opener just really doesn't matter so much. The point is guys stop obsessing over the openers you use in person and start thinking more about what you are saying with your non-verbal communication!

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I'm completely into your theory....I always thought like that, and mentioned many times to my friends here...but just like you've said they're obsessed with finding the "perfect" opener

There are those that just obsess over the details and try to analyze way too much. These are typically the guys that are in their head all night trying to figure out what to do instead of actually trying to do something! It's a pretty normal thing for people in the community to do.

I hope this posts helps those individuals focus their efforts on the things that matter more like their inner game, frame, body language, and actually trying new things.

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