damn...
I just wanna say...im the kinda guy who knows what it feels like to be "afraid" to hit on women...been there..i know how much it kills a guy inside...
and because i am emphatic and human...i have tried to help a fool here and there over the years...i tried again last night.... stupid me
2 guys asks me for help picking up women in same club as they seen me hitting on several women that night...so seperatley they both stopped me to ask me for tips etc...
first guy...is really socially inept...but i say ok...you can be my wing man...straight away i hit on this fine girl and she invites me and the wing back to her table...i tell her we will come over in a while..and i wait 5 minutes...before i go over...
first thing this wing does that fucking pissed me off was he tells me...he wants to make a play on the girl i just opened...how fucking disrespectful is that...i say no man...u know what a wing man is? I hit on the girl i want...you help me with the set and take ur pick from there...but his attitude is fucking typical of the ungreatful pricks i meet...they all wanna get a player to help get them layed but they got no fucking class or respect...
when we get to the table...there are a bunch of girls and guys sat with the target...
one guy sat right next to target is really looking pissed off at me...but i tap target on shoulder and ask "where can i sit " she makes room but the room she makes is across the table from her...so not ideal at all... its not beside here...pissed off "guy friend " is still sat there next to her...he is obviously the afc friend who doesnt have the balls to hit on her..but cant stand the idea of me doing it so easy.
im about to sit down anyhow and wingman pulls me back...telling me im gonna get my ass kicked by this girls guy friends if i sit with them...
i say nooo i fucking wont as none of them are her boyfrind..she even told me she was single anyhow...
but no...this chump insisted i dont sit and convinced me it was a bad idea...
if i had of had a semi decent wing we could have worked the table...working a table of 10 people on my own is not fucking easy...ive worked tables of 5 people numerous times but ten...no..so i needed a wing to run distraction.
i caught the target next time she was on the floor and this time she totally dissed me...see..because i never fucking sat at her table when she asked me to...
this wing made me look weak...like him...
ive met so many fuckers like this guy over the years...sooooo many,
they want u to open for them and do all the fucking work then they disrespect you...and i suspect this forum is full of those same chumps...
so a messege to all fools...if you go and ask some fucker to help you...show some fucking respect. if you see me in a club and im hitting on women..i obviosuly know what im fucking doing and thats why you asked me for help in the first place...so your supposed to fucking take my advice and follow my lead from that point on..not fucking try to cock block me or pull me back...
men show respect...if you dont have that quality your not a fucking man...and no wonder your not getting pussy.
the next guy who stopps me in the club looks like a damn male model...i tell him damn man...if u cant get pussy then i am truly fucked haha.. but this guy is fucking shy as fuck...so i open a few sets for him...and each time he has to be dragged over to the girls by me...this is aftewr he stopped me ...a fucking guy...and asked me for help...if he could stop me he should be able to stop women...
anyhow...he was painfully shy....and pretty much helped ruin any game i ran when he could have been a fucking assett with his looks...
then at the end of the night he says...lets go out again and "i will be his wing man"...i said huh..what...no man im always the sarge..i mean the balls again and again fucking disrespect to ask me to wing when i opened every fucking set...
again this mentality is so rampant...no fucking respect.
i am about to quit helping mother fuckers.
all i wanted was one guy..who has respect...
so i wanna know do any of you guys have this same bullshit that i get from motherfuckers out there.
this message is for the real PUA's not the wanna bees.

I understand what you are saying with your rage post. But these guys who asked you for help are not professionals, so why the fuck are you surprised the one guy couldn't entertain a 10 set for you while you gamed your target? And the model guy wouldn't need you if he had the confidence to approach a girl himself. Also throwing a scared guy into a set is most likely gonna fuck up the set. So Seems like you are actually looking to get laid and not trying to help guys. Try going to the bar with a friend and not raging about random AFC guys on the internet.

Cheers,

Dude you've got to take into consent that you agreed to
help the guy out and because you were trying to be
nice, but unfortunately if you're too nice in this
world people will stomp all over you and
that's where I think you fucked up.
Frankly I thought you should
have been more Alpha
and dominated your
own set more
regardless if your wing was
taking over it. Also there with the
part of your wing saying to you that that
one dude would kick your ass if you sat down with
them...when you first approached THAT particular set
did you talk to and engage to the guy first or the female first?

In most situations, if you approach the guy first you disarm
any notions that you are trying to chat up the chick, you come
off as non threatening first to all males in a group THEN go for the
girl, EVERY PUA knows this. Hell, i'm not at PUA level and I know that! My point
is, maybe its because you weren't as dominant as you though you could be
or prove to be and you used your "wing" as the scapegoat?

_________________
'Bitches aint shit' - Chai

No man....i wouldnt expect the guy to entertain a 10 set...as u say...what i expect is when some guy asks me for help and i offer help...i expect the fool to step up atleast 5%.
Duh your stating what ive already stated...the model guy obviously has no confidence...didnt i already say that???
Uhhhh on your third point...actually i am looking to help those who are struggling...and ive been laid enough in life to the point it isnt a big deal to me generally....I am out looking to keep my skills in shape...infact nighclubs and bars are not where i prefer to pick up women... infact its more of a challange in that enviroment as they are expecting to be hit on and are ready to counter it.
The point i was trying to make is that guys are ungreatful as fuck.
ive seen it over the years...not just in helping guys pick up women but in all aspects of life...
The part that pisses me off most is that to get good at pick up either comes naturally and your good from a young age or like most of us, you have to struggle to get to that point and it takes some people years and others never get there.
Coinsidering its a big mountain to climb for most guys you would expect a big level of respect to be given in return for showing them shit...but no.
if you help them get laid...your surplus to requirements and not even a thank you.
this is why i am pissed off...
and so what if i vented on here...did i hurt your feeling or something,.,,its only a fucking messege board...
its like the "community" only respect guys who are actually playing them for millions of dollars...selling books n dvd's and boot camps...
if i can even get guys talking to women its a success..considering most guys...and i mean most...cant even get the nerve up to do that much.

So if you think their ungrateful as fuck don't teach them or help
anymore don't do them any favours, why waste your time?

_________________
'Bitches aint shit' - Chai

nah man u misunderstand... first point is why ask for help then fucking ignore my help and try to cock block and shit like that...not cool.
the 10 set...what happened is i hit on the girl when she was at the bar alone...i expected her to be with friends but not 10 of them and not mostly guys...so it was a situation i didnt see comming and i wouldnt have entered that set knowingly as 10 peeps are to many for me to entertain on my own...ive dont 5 sets loads of times and pulled the girl but 10 nah...too much chatter and competition in 10 especially when most of them are guys and atleast one of those guys really did not want me there...a wing could have run distraction on him though...
i aint a fool i know to get on the guys good side...
just for the recored i broke into a large set the week before of maybe 7 guys and two girls but i found an afc wing that night to run distraction for me...he did a good job and i pulled the girl where he was sat all night looking again pissed off that he wasnt getting off with the chick i introduced him to, however he distracted her all the same and i didnt have to even talk to the guys at that table thats how alpha i am...and none of those guys said or did shit when i had my tongue down their girls throath.
The probem on the 10 set was i allowed the wing to literally pull me back and i needed someone to run distraction...and if he had taken my help as he asked for it then he would have progressed, regardless if i got layed or not...the point is he wimped out..this is after he stoped me in the club after seeing me hitting on women..thats why im saying ungreatful...u dont stop me and ask fro help to only fuck my game up and not listen to me.
I am actually looking to help the right student..just unfortunate most afc guys are ungreatful pricks with not respect...and thats why they cant get pussy.

your right it is a waste of time...
you know why i am trying to help...cos i know what it feels like to be stuck as a chump with no balls...thats why i try to help these guys...
i also am trying to have fun...you know...its fun to see a guy make progress it gives me a huge kick to see a typical afc even get into a conversation with a pretty girl..you know you helped some fool have the best night of his life..
the problem is how quick they forget you helped them and cause disrespect.
I also could use a wing as im new in the plce i live...ive only been here a month and dont know anyone yet...its a complex situation..
so part of this is to see if i can find a guy with some bit of potential...then i could turn him into a useful wing and a pua after time.
I guess being an afc sums up these guys really...as afc really means you got no fucking self respect, and if you got no self respect your not gonna respect others, so your ultimatley right, they dont deserve help.

Dude what I said earlier actually meant : They are not ungreatful, they are scared and don't know what to do. That's why they ask for your help. It's not a surprise when you through them into a set, they are too unfimialiar and run away. No need to be angry at them for this. And yes the guy wanting to hit on your target is not cool but he most likely doesn't know the rules to a wing and had no idea you were hitting on her. These guys sounded really unexperienced.

Adam Lyons has one brilliant rule in order to pick
how well his wings will fair with him in the field,
it is this: The wing accompanying must bring
10 girls to the club. It's that simple.

This shows Adam he is serious and knows what he
is doing, he wont waste his time, plus he isn't going to hit on his own girls
because he also brought 10 chicks if not more than
his wing! Plus this gets them loads of social proof
which makes it easier to pickup in the club.

I digress, one of the cardinal rules of this community
is that you must not forget where you came from. If
you were once and AFC and evolved over time into a PUA, it
is a duty and an honour to help out the
next AFC, not typically even an AFC but your
fellow man who wants some good advice
and perspective and how your own
experiences can somehow contribute
to his own successes with women.

What i'm saying is, by all means help
out an AFC and show him the way,
but, have the guy agree to a set
of rules or guidelines so he
knows the right from wrong
so he won't tread on your
toes and you can both
benefit from the
teamwork in the
end.

Don't mull something over for too long man it will make
you go nuts, no matter how frustrating it must feel
just forget about those loser fucks and move on and
enjoy whatever comes your way for the rest
of the experience...

_________________
'Bitches aint shit' - Chai

yeah they may be inexpirienced but they know what a wing man is so i guess they aint that inexperienced or unknowelegable.
Like i said its not the first time...ive opened sets plents of times over recent years for afc's ive met and even the ones who manage to open their mouths and talk to the women wind up dissing me by either making out they did it all themselves or else they get pissy with me because i close and they dont...either way its all disrespect...infact i can think of one 2 guys who actually really showed me some gratitude for helping them break out of themselves...2 guys out of maybe 30. that means most afc guys are fucking assholes and deserve not to get any pussy...no wonder women stay away from them and thats the main thing that should be put out on this site.
To get women first get some self respect and show others rrespect...all these afc guys want is to fuck a chick..they dont want to work game, make it a challange or earn it...they think canned material will get tem a quick fuck for free.
Pathetic...and misses the whole point.
In life to get good with women, you need style, flair, and class. Even if your dressed like a bum the style and charm will still seep through and still get you layed.
thats why most of these afc guys will never master and never understand or comprehend.
Women can see whats on the inside of a man, by how he walks talks and conducts himself..all your peacocking and canned bullshit will only go so far.

Oh come on man...
any guy who can bring 10 women to a club is a pimp already...
who the fuck is adam lyons for fuck sake....???Sorry but i dont know the guy i see his picture at the top of my screen but thats all...
if a wing can get 10 women to a club then he isnt a wing he is a super pimp for fuck sake man...is this the advice these master PUA's come out with...if so then 99.999.9999 % of guys are fucked and never gonna get laid.
the idea is you hit the bar or club alone or with your wing and hit on women and pick em up...you telling me you need fucking 20 women already fucking with you in order to achieve that....
Oh for fuck sake....
If I had 10 women with me in a club id just fucking stay home and fuck em all instead.....
man...i go into a club and work the fucking room...I go alone,,I talk to gropus of guys and girls and use the guys as temporary wings...people think i know every fucker in the club after being there 2 hours...really...people even say to me how do i know all these people and i say...i dont i just met them tonight...i get guys and girls buying me drinks...i get invited to weddings and birthday parties...
this is how i roll...and i do it alone.
bring 10 girls to a club hahahahahaha....
thats is the worst bullshit cop out weak advice i ever heard in my fucking life.
and id not trust any cunt who ever gave advice like that.
Obviously bringing 10 girls would be social proof...but you wouldnt need to a/go to the club looking for women if you had em already or b/ it actually would show no skills bringing 10 girls as social proof...its obviously gonna attract female attwention rolling like a fucking pimp....
what actually shows skills is what i fucking do..not some made up bullshit about already having a fucking stable full of available women.

thats why you need to go to clubs with your own wingmen and pivots. its so much easier.

Dude, i understand your rage, but you did the right thing. you were unlucky and found a retarded AFC who was ungrateful. its brocode to help a fellow guy out. but if he is a back stabbing cockblock then you have the right to punch him in the face. Everything is fair in love and war.

now smoke some weed, chillax and go get laid brotha!

_________________
Slayin ladies all around the world

You miss 100% of the shots you never take.
- Wayne Gretzky

i good a good stroy about weed man haha
happened same night
i am leaving the club and i decide to hit on two girls dancing...the one i hit on is all giggles and smiles and after a minute talking she goes "let me get my husband"...
no shit
she comes right back with her husband and introduces me...
now if you dont think i have skills..heres what happened next...
i shake his hand and say hey man no offence i didnt know your beautiful wife was married obviously id never hit on her knowing that,.,, and everything was cool...and i make a joke out of the model guy who actually fucking followed me downstairs and was attempting to hit on the other girl ...making a fool of himself...so me and the husband were laughting about that..
then husband asks me outside to smoke a joint with him..
gives me his number to hang out this saturday,
true stroy.

Haha that husand sounded like a really cool guy, i mean, he didn't take any
offence from you hitting on his wife and he invited you to smoke a blunt
with him anyway! That's boss right there.

_________________
'Bitches aint shit' - Chai

same bullshit last night....afc guys i met last week hanging around in the bar again..i do not know them and did not come to the bar with them...i open a couple of sets and as soon as i do these guys...who now think they know me inject themselves into the open sets....
to be fair atleast they helpt run distraction...but again the level of disrespect is fuckin unreal....
one guy gets introudeced to me as supposedly "cassanova" supposedly this guy is the resident pua...fucking supposedly...so he demonstrates his skills by immidiatley getting blown out by a set of two women..like in 2 seconds flat......then he goes and sits down on his own with a embarressed look all over his face...
now i get blown out by women like everyone does but to sulk and go all fucking embarressed is not how a pua handles a knock back..thats how an afc handles rejection like booo hooo...
anyhow i go over and say to him..."those women just blew u out but whatch this"...
I hit on the same two chicks and was with them all night from then on...
just to prove a point...thinking this move will get me some recogintion and respect....stupid me...
later on i hear this cassanova haha shit talking about me...with the other afc motherfuckers who were breaking into my sets earlier on...
see what i mean
unreal disrespect..i even hooked up this other punk just to have someone to run distraction and again...
the attitude of being up his own ass...
I can see why so many afc guys have trouble with woman
i really see it now more than ever
no fucking respect...no style...
as soon as they think they might get some pussy they turn into complete assholes and its hoes before bros mentality big time
I really need to find some cool guys but its not looking good int his town
not so far anyhow
this is what puts me off metting up with wings off this site...im sure some of them will be cool guys but there are soooooo many fucking dick heads out there...id have to meet hundreds of peeps just to find one guy worth knowing....its worse than looking for women...as it dont matter if i fuck a chick i dont like taking to or hanging out with...so its easy to do....but to find cool guys to wing....is even harder than finding and fucking women