Hi everybody,

I am 16yrs old and I am quite interested in pickup and stuff... I learned all my stuff from the ebook "The Venusian Art" from Mystery and his new book called: The new and improved art of seducing women... Very interesting books!!! I recommend them to all of you =)

There was this party (10/22) where I really tried out things and stuff... I came in, spoke with some girls whom I knew from way before. I created preselection (DHV) and I opened directly to the next girl I saw. Larissa (HB8; name changed) was a blue eyed Italian girl, and fairly small. I DHV'd especially non-verbally by not-looking at her, negging her and not taking her too serious rather to add value to the conversation by myself. Then I went on and qualified her after 5mins and created comfort by dancing with her. I took her number and danced afterwards with her. The party was lame, but her dancing just was the greatest thing that night. =D She's a belly dancer. That night I got 3numbers. 2 are from HB6 and HB5 :S

The next day I texted Larissa (which I won't ever do again... I should've have waited 4days before texting her). She showed IOIs. Sent me a MMS with her picture and a picture of us together. Then she added me on FB, which fucked everything up. She had like 900friends and a lot of boys always stalk her and write on her wall that they love her and so. And my wall was like DEAD. If I write a status, I get like 10likes and she gets like 20-30 >.<

Tuesday I sent her a message if she wants to go out on saturday. and she said yes. Then I called her for phoning together. But she didn't take the call. 2 days later I tried to call her again, but nothing happened. The evening I wrote her that we'll meet at 8o'clock. I got NO RESPONSE. Saturday, she didn't appear, neither she wrote back. I texted her if she could come at 7.30, but I didn't got anything back.

There I was, and I couldn't find her. At midnight I wrote her and apologized for not showing up there, and she was like "I waited there, but you didn't appear. Then I went to do something else with friends". Sunday she got a boyfriend -.-

Today (thursday) I wrote her and asked her if she wanted to come join my friends with her boyfriend. But that thing didn't answer.

MORAL: Never write to early! Never want to go out to early! BUILD A TIMEBRIDGE =D

About myself:

I am 16yrs old and here where I live, there are clubs for people over 16 and beer too but no vodka and stuff =(

All my life I was very social and stuff.. But somewhere 6yrs ago I felt like being rejected by my friends and I became something like a more social version of a nerd. I just hung around computers and stuff... But last year I met a girl which I loved instantly, and she loved me too, but she was like "I don't want a boyfriend. I don't need that"... That's why we never could get together. =(

I got more social at that point and got new "cool" friends and stuff... But she fucked everything up by telling me I had no character and no life and stuff and rejecting me finally... I was depressive and so on... But since a few months I'm very social, I have a good life, and I'm happy. =) But all of my friends are just guys, very very few girls. That's why I started with PUA. =)

I had a good natural game, but that girl fucked everything up. Now I only see her hanging around alone and I didn't speak with her for about 11months. Sometimes I don't know how to handle that past disaster in my life... But I'm trying.

I feel you bro.I was natural before i started getting into programming and computers 4 years ago,and it fucked up everything about me.Now i started doing some routines and started getting success (I still have my ability to improvise and add energy and passion into stories,also i`m really cocky by nature,which helped me alot)

Get yourself an opener and it will spark enough interest to make them talk,cut their thread and add any routine by choice,add a neg here and here and you are good to go.

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When you realize that rejection doesn`t mean shit you`ll try to find a way how to kick your own ass for being an idiot.

Thank you debugger. =)

Whenever I reached a success, some stupid persons whom I trusted too much get in my life and fuck everything up. I won't ever let that happen again!

I have some openers and less approach anxiety now. I just gave all my money to a friend and told him to give me a dollar back after an approach... Now I have much much less anxiety.

I think my problem is I get that much excited after getting a number that I wanna call her and fall in love with her and so. (like Ted from How I met your mother... He wants to get married with every woman he meets.) How do you handle that feeling??

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I believe that I am a man that died 20yrs ago. I live like a man that's dead already. I HAVE NO FEAR whatsoever of anyone or anything - Malcolm X

Don`t worry about it bro.Once you get used to success with women you`ll forget them all.

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When you realize that rejection doesn`t mean shit you`ll try to find a way how to kick your own ass for being an idiot.

I ain't got time for practising pickup neither for school. I am very stressed for the time being and nearly can't think clearly. But I try to happy and solve my problems in a calm manner. =)

Today I talked with a girl I never talked to from the philosophy course. My opener was like coming from the side and saying: Booh! =D She send me clear IOI's like laughing, scratching at the eye and playing around with the hair. She's a bit older than me (17/18). Still I try to surround myself with women because I want to exercise pickup and I want more female friends. I've lost them all approx. a year ago :S.

However I'm still fighting in life and trying to make a living .

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I believe that I am a man that died 20yrs ago. I live like a man that's dead already. I HAVE NO FEAR whatsoever of anyone or anything - Malcolm X

Hey guys:)

I'm 15 years old and i startet with all that stuff a few months ago but i dont really know where to use my "game". 'cause i'm not feeling like using to much that stuff at school but where can I use expeted there: the only possibilty I see would be in the centre of town and it would always be daygame...

Do you understand me?:s

Just try to be social open, but still alpha. Get your game and first try to approach girls somewhere your youth hangs, e.g. lake side or mall, park, .... Do like 20 approaches before you feel comfortable enough for approaching girls in special situation (at school, in a cafe, in a shop, ...) And of course at parties

Good luck man!

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I believe that I am a man that died 20yrs ago. I live like a man that's dead already. I HAVE NO FEAR whatsoever of anyone or anything - Malcolm X

Thanks;)

You said i should do about 20 approaches before opening girls in specific locations... Did you mean something like the neewbie mission? And did someone of guys tried it out, cause i m not convined that it would help me ( i'm not really shy)

Yeah do that 20 approaches just somewhere where nobody will recognize you again in future (crowded places). You'll get used to it and you learn to read IOI signs and stuff.. It's very interesting.

I did like 30-40 approaches since I began a few months ago. I had some difficult exams and stuff. But do atleast 1 approach a week!

What books have you read? Which game methods do you know? I learned everything I know from this forum and the ebook "The Venusian Art" by Mystery. Read it!

If pickup really exists, I don't know. You have here a german wiki article of PU:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_ ... he_Studien

In this article the studies of several universities about pickup are explained and they actually PROVE IT RIGHT! Pickup exists. It's just a model of how the "game" works and of the way it's done. I have some friends who didn't knew about PU, but they were very successful with women. When they heard about PU, they totally agreed with it.

I'd suggest you to read that ebook and to start with some routines and stuff. Do many approaches to get over your approach anxiety and concetrate on IOI's and IOD's. Don't focus on what you say, rather on HOW you say it. If you got further questions, pm me

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I believe that I am a man that died 20yrs ago. I live like a man that's dead already. I HAVE NO FEAR whatsoever of anyone or anything - Malcolm X

Yesterday, I spoke with some girls before the course began and had fun and I high-fived them and so. Target HB8 (looking pretty much the same as Larissa) looked for me and smiled. =) I opened her friend HB7.5 next to her and did some nonverbal DHV (locking in and so). I asked her friend about the music she listens to and she showed mer her iPod and so. When I tried to open the target, the school bell rang -.-. During course I was doing the Bite-Hook-Rail-Release thing. But target didn't bite, so did her friend.

Today I couldn't speak with some of them. Rather DHV'd at other girls HB7-8 and had fun with them. I'm quite happy because I hadn't fun with our classmates for a long time. But some (stupid and infamous) girl HB7 blamed me and argued o.O I was taking it like a joke. She's one of the best friends of the target.

I won't be able to go out for a few weeks. So I will try to do Daygame (and "Schoolgame")

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I believe that I am a man that died 20yrs ago. I live like a man that's dead already. I HAVE NO FEAR whatsoever of anyone or anything - Malcolm X

Hello,

I'm sorry that I couldn't update this thread for a few weeks. I was away (class camp).

Brief resumé: During that class camp, I quickly evolved to the alpha male of the class. Getting IOI's from the hottest girls of our class, but I don't want to try something serious with them. It was more like a training to get more self-esteem and improve my social skills.

Last night (silvester): I went to the biggest party (clubgame) in town (paid 90$ entry :S ). The first show was some rock-rap mixture thing I didn't like at all. After the first show, my energy was quite low. I couldn't dance, therefore I knew I must get a higher energy level to begin with PU (get into "social god mode" from 60yrs of challenge). It was nearly impossible.. At midnight some guy told me happy new year and stuff, good music began to play and my energy level rose rapidly. However my wingman's energy was low. I opened a 2 set. My opener: "Hi, I'm Barney Stinson". But then the one girl replied: "And I'm Robin." I looked to the other girl and told her: "Then you must be Lily. God, you look already married". Then they told me they "were lesbians". I was shocked and ejected quickly. My energy was low again and I couldn't open other sets, and if I did, I got rejected quickly =(.

However, I must improve my skills and I'm looking forward to next games...

HAPPY NEW YEAR MY FRIENDS

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I believe that I am a man that died 20yrs ago. I live like a man that's dead already. I HAVE NO FEAR whatsoever of anyone or anything - Malcolm X

Hey,

I am 15 myself, and I'm in like the same situation as you are.
I was always pretty social (but last years growed quickly and became better and better), but ofcourse it wasn't enough haha.

My sticking point is keeping the convo' going, because I mostly go to clubs and other party's where the music is way to loud to have a normal conversation, and ofcourse I do have some back-up questions to ask, but some girls really don't contribute -,-

What exactly do you do when you're non-verbal DHV-ing, besides lean back, kino, and really-not-interested-looking around?

I have read the following books: The game- Neil Strauss & 'The rules of the game' - Neil Strauss & 'The dating black book' - Carlos Xuma & Mystery Method- How to get beautifull women in bed''.

I've also watched 'The pickup artist' & watch Simplepickup @ Youtube (Highley recommended, cuz its fun&educative at the same time haha:)).

Kiddo, I don't think it's that you went too quickly. I think it was that you conveyed neediness. I don't know the whole situation, so I could be wrong, but if she doesn't respond, don't try too hard. If she has a lot of social proof on facebook, don't stress it. She has a lot of time to be on facebook, and you have other things you can do with your time.

But for the most part, just be congruent with your shit. Like you were saying how you used stuff in The Venusian Arts e-book, which is great. But it sounds like you kinda went back on what she initially thought of you so you seemed fake, and that's a real turn-off. You'll get better with more calibration.

Ladies_man969: I think you have misunderstood me. Sorry for not explaining myself in this thread that detailed. I combine my natural stuff (learned a lot of inner game ) with that M3 model. Using that M3 model I know: Now, I gotta create Attraction, now it's comfort, ... That's actually pretty much everything I use from the Venusian Arts. For the last months I got a cooler (more alpha) attitude and I don't think I'm coming off needy. It's more like I couldn't handle rejection last night. I also dropped that girl with a lot of fb proof a week after the approach. I didn't like her that much, she wasn't very interesting. I am trying to be congruent. It's like I'm a bit confused for the time being. I don't know who I am, my role in this society (I come from an immigrants family), ... I gotta work hard on that shit. Thank you a lot. =)

Bouncerr: I just DHV by turning my shoulder to the girl (so that she faces my shoulder) as a IOD. By bodyrocking at the approach, shoulder-turning, leaning back, locking in (!!!), you get a hell lotta DHV. I don't use more than that. I also use my "observing ego" (David DeAngelo): I'm trying to figure out how is it looking from the outside how I'm conversating with that girl. Do I come off needy/locked in/..? I try to get in a talkative mood by listening to music that makes me happy and energetic. And I just tell stories, then ask her, then tell stories.. keeping the convo 60/50 - 50/50 (50 percent about myself, 50 about her). You must know your own stories that are funny and stuff. Write them down, so you won't forget them and can use them in field Try to be more yourself, but keeping the M3 structure and stuff...

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I believe that I am a man that died 20yrs ago. I live like a man that's dead already. I HAVE NO FEAR whatsoever of anyone or anything - Malcolm X