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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:50 pm 
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hi guys
I have no problem starting a conversation
I can say things like "are you 2 sisters? you look alike"
"you know, you look like that actress, whats her name?"
"you have candy? well, it's halloween, where is your halloween spirit?"

but after they answer, i freeze.
the reason is mostly because i think "she is here to eat, not be harassed" i just feel bad harassing someone...maybe she doesnt want to talk to me, why should i force myself onto her?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:16 pm 
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hi guys
I have no problem starting a conversation
I can say things like "are you 2 sisters? you look alike"
"you know, you look like that actress, whats her name?"
"you have candy? well, it's halloween, where is your halloween spirit?"

but after they answer, i freeze.
the reason is mostly because i think "she is here to eat, not be harassed" i just feel bad harassing someone...maybe she doesnt want to talk to me, why should i force myself onto her?
Your not, she wants to talk to you, she wants to get to know you.
But also no, you shouldn't force yourself on her, she should be forcing herself on you because you went up to her, and you talked to her.
The only time you'll be wasting her time and yours, is by approaching and not doing anything afterwords.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:17 pm 
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hi guys
I have no problem starting a conversation
I can say things like "are you 2 sisters? you look alike"
"you know, you look like that actress, whats her name?"
"you have candy? well, it's halloween, where is your halloween spirit?"

but after they answer, i freeze.
the reason is mostly because i think "she is here to eat, not be harassed" i just feel bad harassing someone...maybe she doesnt want to talk to me, why should i force myself onto her?
The more you think about it the worse it'd be. She may not want you or anyone else to harass her, she may be there just to talk about the same boring things with her friend, she may be a lesbian, she may have just broken up with her bf...so what?

Who cares if she doesn't want you? You have to try and push the interaction. Not to the point that she has to ask you to leave, but to the point that you can feel satisfy afterwards knowing that you tried.

When men freeze out after approaching a woman, I think it's a sign of AA. They push themselves to talk, but it's meaningless because they're not doing it from a comfortable state of mind. It's like being brave enough to jump in the water without knowing how to swim. It'll go nowhere.

The good thing is that over time, the AA will reduce, and you will be able to gather your thoughts, and get more involved in the interaction. In other words, you won't freeze out so much because you'll be relaxed, and more focused on how to act and what to say.

Have a little game plan. Not a whole set of routines, but just baby steps to get the interaction going:

Opener
False Time Constrain
Ask a question
Ask another question based on the answer to the first question
Number close
Chat a bit more and hug her goodbye

This is a very simple set of instructions to perform and to get you going. Nothing fancy, nothing super complicated, and it will give you enough practice to help you slow things down.

Hope it helps :)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:19 pm 
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....ok so u can open but u freeze...run out of things to say...and feel like ur being a nuisance.
ok...heres some help...
when u open look for a non verbal response...especially a smile.
if u get a smile its game on.
a smile or a giggle will let u know to continue.
its body lanuguge like this that lets u know to progress and step it up.
also it will give u the confidence to continue "harrassing" the target.
If u cant talk or dont have shit to say use the magic sentence
"tell me about yourself"
most women cant resist to rattle off a moinologue about who they are..this is one of the main keys to pick up...once you got em talking u can add to their tales about college..or work..or what music they like etc..get me man
U let the girl do all the talking and just fill in the blanks here and there...
easy


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:22 pm 
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what is going through your head when you are just about to open?
what are you thinking about just before the first words leave your mouth?
scale of 1-10 how much excitement are you feeling just before the open (nervous energy)
what do you think is going to happen as a result of you talking to them, do you think it is a rejection, do you think it is them being irritated because you are harassing them, do you think it is an open and a freeze, do you think it is a conversation, do you think it is a kiss, do you think it is them laughing, do you think it is sex? (be honest please)
how often and how long have you been cold approaching women? are you comfortable with telling a girl you like her, or complimenting her on her looks/saying what ever you want to self amuse? telling her you want to have sex with her?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:56 pm 
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what is going through your head when you are just about to open?
omg, a hot girl. dont lose this chance dammit, talk to her. say something....shit but she will know i am shy...well i can hide my shyness...remember how the people in pua forum said be detached from the outcome? say something interesting. DO YOU HAVE CANDY? COMMON, IT'S HALLOWEEN! WHERE IS YOUR HALLOWEEN SPIRIT?
SHE: I dont know, where is yours?
ME: I dont know. *go back to working on my laptop...*

what are you thinking about just before the first words leave your mouth?
omg, i cant believe i am talking to this hot girl. i am not capable of this.

scale of 1-10 how much excitement are you feeling just before the open (nervous energy) it depends on the day. sometimes I am very nervous, sometimes I dont care.
what do you think is going to happen as a result of you talking to them, do you think it is a rejection, do you think it is them being irritated because you are harassing them, do you think it is an open and a freeze, do you think it is a conversation, do you think it is a kiss, do you think it is them laughing, do you think it is sex? (be honest please) This lame guy is trying to pick me up and his tactics are so lame. AND: This guy is so annoying, I am not attracted to him and dont want him talking to me.
how often and how long have you been cold approaching women? I started like a month ago, and so far i have done it like 6 times.

are you comfortable with telling a girl you like her, or complimenting her on her looks/saying what ever you want to self amuse? telling her you want to have sex with her? no. absolutely not.


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what is going through your head when you are just about to open?
omg, a hot girl. dont lose this chance dammit, talk to her. say something....shit but she will know i am shy...well i can hide my shyness...remember how the people in pua forum said be detached from the outcome? say something interesting. DO YOU HAVE CANDY? COMMON, IT'S HALLOWEEN! WHERE IS YOUR HALLOWEEN SPIRIT?
SHE: I dont know, where is yours?
ME: I dont know. *go back to working on my laptop...*

what are you thinking about just before the first words leave your mouth?
omg, i cant believe i am talking to this hot girl. i am not capable of this.

scale of 1-10 how much excitement are you feeling just before the open (nervous energy) it depends on the day. sometimes I am very nervous, sometimes I dont care.
what do you think is going to happen as a result of you talking to them, do you think it is a rejection, do you think it is them being irritated because you are harassing them, do you think it is an open and a freeze, do you think it is a conversation, do you think it is a kiss, do you think it is them laughing, do you think it is sex? (be honest please) This lame guy is trying to pick me up and his tactics are so lame. AND: This guy is so annoying, I am not attracted to him and dont want him talking to me.
how often and how long have you been cold approaching women? I started like a month ago, and so far i have done it like 6 times.

are you comfortable with telling a girl you like her, or complimenting her on her looks/saying what ever you want to self amuse? telling her you want to have sex with her? no. absolutely not.
ok, here are some ideas for you, try to consciously change what is going through your head before you open, instead of thinking about you, or what she will think of you, think about her, and what you think of her, try to get horny during the approach, imagine her performing sexual acts on you, that you would enjoy, or imagine her talking to you and laughing, her smiling being happy, you have to change this self talk you have going on from OMG IM GOING TO BE REJECTED, to SHE CAN NOT REJECT ME, I AM FAR TO FUCKING BOSS

when it is said don't be attached to outcome = don't be afraid to get rejected, and don't think sex absolutely must happen, what will happen will happen, don't worry about it

understand the excitement you feel before the words leave your mouth is normal, it tends to die down after about 10 approaches in a day (the number is different for everyone and some people don't even get that excited from the first one), but the first approach of the day is always the hardest, just think about how excited that girl made you

when you are in a very nervous state and you would rate it above a 5, I find it helps me to focus on my breathing, and try to kill my energy level as low as I can, I move less, I attempt to clear my mind and think of something that makes me feel happy, this helps me

once again, you have to replace your mindset, it will come with time, the women are still on the pedastool for you, you have to stop thinking of things like you are auditioning for a girl, and realize, you did the approach, she is auditioning for you, you are just getting to know her,

you really need more experience, you need to cold approach much more to get used to it, after a while you will just become desensitized to talking and will be able to think more clearly after opening, but the initial energy and adrenaline rush from the first approach of the day, will usually always still exist (or at least it still does for me)

you might want to try, stepping outside of your comfort zone, and for a few weeks practice opening with a compliment that states you find her attractive in your own words, make sure it is honest and genuine
, stepping over this hurdle can help you build confidence quickly, and show you that girls are just people like us, approach 100 women with a direct and sincere compliments and you will see all kinds of different responses, and after that your comfort level with verbalizing what you want, will be leaps and bounds above where it is now, then you can shift back to indirect game if you want, with the ability to focus on the theory more and will most likely be comfortable with the intent/escalation aspect

GOOD LUCK


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