Well, you say, it's been a few weeks, that should be enough time for her to "get comfortable" with you, as to say.

Now, I don't see any outright indicators of disinterest on her part, and her replies seem to tell me that she might be interested back.

I guess not being direct would be a problem here, because you don't want to give her the wrong idea. It's going to be a disaster if she thinks of you as "that funny drunk guy who's kinda like a buddy" and trust me you don't want to be *that* guy in her life.

You need to be a bit more confident towards her in expressing your intent. I am not saying go all out, but be a little more blunt than you are already. Make it clear to her that you're not a friend, you are a guy who wants to know her on a more intimate level than that.

As for the party invite, you could try that.

"Hey, I am having a house party on (time and date). Come over, will ya. I'd love to see you. "

Or, you could aim for a bit more private affair by inviting her out on the weekend over drinks, as a date.

That choice is up to you.

Good luck.

Oh, God.

Dude, you DID NOT have to use skills360's lines. We all were laughing at that because it was a bit too cringe-y, and look at those highlighted things.

Honestly, tell me does it not make you cringe as well?

That aside, you said "No text"? Why did you say that?

Look, what works for some guys may not necessarily works for others, simply because their texting is in congruence with their personality. If someone else is going to rephrase that, it would just appear fake. So, if you line some line which some one has used, try to put it in your words and roll with that. Gives it a more personal touch and doesn't make you come off as a fake guy.

I hope you get what I'm trying to tell you. I read the next post as well. Look, maybe she's just feeling a bit wee awkward, as was I, when I was reading the texts.

They sound very "Latin Diesel", and you aren't a Latin Diesel are you, Dzeko?

Be your honest, original self and you'll get there. You can always try out new things, but do them your way. Not copy-paste.

Good luck. And thanks for thinking of me.

any idea on how to pull persistance in a romantic kind of way as opposed to a stalkerish way?
what if i were to go back into the store?

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Hi Don Draper,

First of all thank you for all the tips that you give! I've learned a lot while reading this thread. However I feel like I mostly use texting to ask girls out and I'd like to learn more about using it to build comfort.

I would like to ask you for a list of good "deep" topics to text girls with.
I feel like i'm really really bad at initiating conversations....
I am really great at talking personally and creating attraction, but in the mid phase i suck at maintining the girls interest in me.

I'm looking for a list of good "long" and "interesting" conversation starters by text.

Thank you very much!

Well, you can always re-do the pick-up but the added advantage is that she is already familiar with you.

Persistence is about determination. You need to show her that you want her and you are willing to make an effort to get her. And do that in as a non-stalker way as possible.

Thing about persistent guys is that they are willing to give women their own time and space. Stalker don't give women anything except an overload of their feelings, in a creepy way at that. That's something which you want to avoid.

You can go back to the store and make nice conversation, hell even put a mock hurt expression and say, you never replied me back, but laugh it off the next moment by saying you were messing with her.

That should be fine, for now.

Anyway, I would still tell you to keep your options and your eyes open. Too many women, too little time.

Good luck.

Hello, nmutz. How are you?

Well, here's a list of topics you can try to include in your conversation.

* There are very few topics deeper than music and musicians. Or cars, for that matter.

* Travel. Places you've been to, places she has been to, places you would like to go, places she would like to go. Why those places, why not any other?

* Things happening around the world right now. What might be the intentions behind people doing those things. Or the phenomenon which causes those things to happen.

* Spiritual questions, like "Is there life after death? Do you believe in that? Yes/No and why/why not" and such.

* About themselves, cause that's the favourite topic people want to talk about. Questions like "What is most important to you as a person?" and "What's one thing that you wish you could change in yourself" and why.

As a general rule follow a "Why not What" policy. I often tell people that "I am not as interested in the answer, as I am in knowing their reasons behind the answer" and that leads to quite a lot of new possibilities and opens a lot of threads for conversation.

Hope that answers your question well.

Good luck. And thanks for thinking of me.

Taking some dmg in pride by writing this, but I need to learn from those better. Don man... I've been txting this girl on and off for the past month. She's a HB10 and I've definitely built her attraction. Talked to her on the phone few nights back, laughing and laughing and laughing, tons of commonalities, but... I just don't know where to go to reach that hook point?

I've got her to tell me about her past life a bit, how she was a tomboy b4 cheerleading, psychology field (she's 20 yrs old right now, I just turned 21), genuinely complimented her on her posture and got this back:

"Aww. That's sweet. Thank u and true in different ways. Now for me .. you go about and say things in a certain way I've never heard anyone describe before lol but I like it ..its what makes you u. You enjoy the simple yet educated things in life like me which I find most interesting : )"

That was a week or two back. I just don't want this thing turning into a stalemate and the "friend's" zone. She's definitely opening up more and more in RL though.

PS. I guess I'm the guy who's really interesting at work, as everyone's always around bullshitting w/ me. I even had her coming back to the break room when I was talking w/ some other girl (co-worker)... She looked at me as if to listen for a split second... and then realized what she was doing, lol.

After I got home ( I left in my motorcycle, I know she heard it ) I texted:

"Should totally call when u get off of work because we can chat it up"...

no response. What's next sensei?

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Hi guys needs a bit of advise on something.

I'm at uni currently and there is this HB9 that I've got my eyes on. I've got her # and we've bumped into each other on a few nights out. The last time we were out we were holding hands and flirting but sadly I couldn't kino escalate as her friends were always around and cock blocking me.

Anyway I decided to spice things up I'll run a txt game:

(Last night)
Me: I just bumped into your twin

I was hoping she'd reply straight away then and there asking about her 'twin' but she just txt me now, the morning after

(This morning)
HB: my twin?

how do I go from here. do I txt her back immediately . Do I try and suggest that maybe something went on between me and her supposed 'twin'
I've been called a player a few times by this HB as apparently I've got a reputation at uni.

Any advise would be helpful guys.

Hey Don Draper,
been lurking but still new to these boards, I love your advice in this thread, hope you can help me out bro. Met a cute Korean girl at a party two nights ago, got the #-close, now need some advice to get to day 2.
(some context: it was a high-energy interaction, I got her talking using Gambler's "my friend gave me money to buy his gf a bday present, what do?" routine. She gave me some in-depth answers, and then said she would take me shopping to help me buy something lol. We flirted a good bit, I made fun of her for playing starcraft. No k-close though, as she had to leave, and I think I could have escalated more.)

Here is the text exchange thus far (party was on friday night):

(Sat, 8pm) ME: Hi [HB real name]! It was fun chatting with you yesterday:) You missed a dramatic ending to the party! How was the rest of your night? [my name]. PS- Zerg or Protoss?

some more bg: she is an English student here, so I avoided using nicknames or elaborate phrases like "it was so randomly quirky meeting you". I know it came off a bit AFC-ish though. In any case she wrote back:

(Sat, 11pm) HB: Hey [my name] i had fun too then just got home! Sad too miss the nice part of party T^T how r u doing? Sorry for late answer P.S. Zerg

I wrote back pretty drunk the following night...

(Sun, 4am) ME: Hey no worries! [she said sorry, so why not make it frame it as if she actually had something to be sorry for? I thought this would be a subtle DHV] I just got back from another crazy party. Zerg? hmm ok good answer... maybe we can be friends. [attempting to frame her response as qualification] hey you didnt miss much last night, 10 mins after you left the police came and kicked everyone out! [true story] So when are we planning our trip to Brazil? Im so excited haha [this is following up on a line I was flirting with her about, she was talking about how she wants to go to South America and I was saying "let's go right now" and teasing her for not being adventurous enough.]

Overall I thought this was a decent reply, maybe a bit long. Not sure if the timing was a good idea, I could have written back in the morning but I was trying to get the point across that I go to loads of parties and am prone to respond at unpredictable times. She wrote back this morning:

(Sun, 10am) HB: Oh u can go? Not in 2014? xD When do u go buy present? [referring to the present in my routine] And i have to tell u i can t play starcraft i just know what it is sorry. u play zerg?

ok, so this is where I am now. I think I got her hooked pretty well and there's a few lines to work with (brazil, starcraft, present). Her last text seems to be full of static. I want to drop this starcraft thing (I don't actually play it, but it's good material to tease Koreans about), maybe turn it into a c&f tease (like say I was only testing to see if she was a nerd or something). I feel like I should throw in an attaction spike, or escalate somehow, or just go for day 2, but I'm not sure what the best play is.

I guess my main questions are:
1) how many texts before I should go for day 2?
2) how do I escalate over text? I don't want to beat about the bush and get friendzoned
3) semi-serious: how do I brush the present routine under the carpet? just say my friend changed his mind or something? lol this is the downside of these canned routines I guess, coz obviously it was bullshit and now I have to cover it up

EDIT: ok so I didn't want to let it get stale. I followed up with:

(Sun, 4pm) ME: Ha no i was just testing if you were secretly a nerd you passed the first test! Hey 2014 is too far, you said you were adventurous right? Im planning a bank robbery this week, and i need a really hot getaway driver! Then we escape to Bolivia with the money. You in?

OK, this one is canned of-course, but I doubt she's heard it. It was the only way I could think of to throw in an attraction message ("really hot getaway driver") while still playing along to one of our themes. Yet to hear back.

Overall if you could give me some general critique of this brief exchange I would greatly appreciate it!

Cheers guys,

I would say something like... "Yea, ur evil twin. Except she seemed to like really really nice guys, so maybe you're the evil twin?" Or something of that matter... could continue w/ "What's the baddest/most evil thing youve ever done"

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can you tell me where I screwed up?

its a hb 8 from my university. we were texting for a while and then we got in a convo about halloween costumes
me: did you costumize?
her: yeah i was dasiy duke
me: 5 points for originality, all the whores at [another res] went as police officers
her: ahhahah gee thanks
me: im kidding, youre not a ho
her: im hoping you'll say that even after pics of the costume go up
me: sounds like daisy duke showed a lot of cleavage
her: hahaha i dont own cleavage so i went with the leg/ tummy route. im a class act
me: yea right, i bet you hooked up with a stranger last night
her: yea well i bet you got handcuffed to someones bed rail. so thereee.
me: pfft anyways, im not that easy... i have a very picky taste in girls
her: no boy has picky taste
me: agreed. but im not a boy, im a man
her: hahahaaha okay

it sounds like you were doing well, she was being cute and funny with you, but honestly your last text really made me cringe... i think that's where you screwed up...

Well, that was a nice message to read.

Now, the thing I see here is that you have mentioned nothing about you both hanging out together, in a private setting. Sure, there's a lot of comfort and attraction in the relationship, but unless you get a chance to physically escalate with a girl and make her feel the way you want her to feel through your touch, it's going nowhere anytime soon. So, that should be your primary focus for now.

Have a nice, light conversation and invite her out to drinks/dinner/some sort of date. You get the idea.

Also, another thing, the message you sent her comes off as a bit too vague, if you want to convey this message here's how you could go about it..

"Hey, you call me when you get off work, okay? Been wanting to talk to you all day. "

OR

"Hi! Let me know when you are off work, 'kay? I'll give you a ring, been wanting to speak to you all day "

Or something along those lines. Make it clear who's gonna call whom and give her some nice reason to smile about. She'll be looking forward to making/getting that call all day.

Good luck. And thanks for thinking of me.

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Well, firstly if you are having a trouble with the cock blocking, you ISOLATE your target.

Something along the lines of "Hey guys, if you don't mind I'll be borrowing (her name) for a moment. You can set your stop watches or something. Bring her back safe" and if you need to reinforce that, look at the girl and stress that you actually wanna talk to her in private about something. If there's enough attraction, she'll girl code her friends that she's fine and you'll have her to yourself.

Now to the question..

Why "I saw your twin" is a stupid text?

No one wants to be reminded that there's another like them on the planet. People want to be told and made felt as if they are unique. Your twin basically means you saw another like her. Smart move, maybe not as much.

So, next time you want her to reply, you use hook texts..open ended..

Stuff like, "Hey, something made me think of you today..." Or "Hi! You won't believe what just happened to me.."

Intrigue is the best hook. Use it to your advantage.

Good luck.

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You see the highlights.

And let that sink in.

It mostly breaks down to you and her alternating between "Ho!" and "No Ho!". I mean, make up your minds, you said she wasn't like the "whores",then she said she hoped you maintain that stance till she uploads her pictures (i.e. No whore) then you said that she must've show a lot of cleavage (i.e. whore), then she said not that much (i.e. no whore) blah blah blah

Again, that's the first conflict.

The second was the line in italics. Let me give you a tip about being a man: A man is respectful, reserved and serious in his conversation. When a man is joking, he does that in a very classy way.

A boy calls women "whores" and he tells a girl that he's sure she "hooked up with a stranger last night".

I am not judging you, but there's a fine line between how men tease a woman, and how boys do.

Trying to shift your frame from "man-boy" to "man" will immediately induced a reaction of "hahahahahhaha" and she did that on cue.

Look, if you are maintaining a frame be it man, boy or something in between, stick to it. Incongruency is the death of many successful pick up attempts.

Good luck to you.

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