Hey guys
I have tried opening girls a few times but everytime before I try to open I feel like a total LOOSER trying to make conversation with this random snobby girl....almost feels like im trying to entertain them or something and trying to win over their time and attention....and for me this is EXTREMELY UNPLEASANT, feels so low value!...and so I almost never do it!!!

What do I do??? Just cant convince myself to do it?!?!?!

Uhm, no idea, changing your frame might work.
I have nights where I only talk to my friends, but I also have nights where I just really feel like talking to random people, having fun with them.
They are entertaining you, not you them
Don't open to score, open to have a nice time. If things go well you can always score nyway

i was reading khuram's diary, he has the record of how he improved and broke out of his sticking points.
I am going to copy some information from his diary
1. You are living in your comfort zone and your head is full of unopened boxes.
The point here is that you are living in you comfort zone, approaching is out of your comfort zone, its something that would take extra courage so you are coming up with a list of reasons for not approaching. You are never going to know whether you can do it or not till you put yourself into this. Go out and do it, realize your true potential
2. Ego doesnt let you do new things
because ego wants to protect itself from being head. You feel like that you are not good enough for them? You feel like you are going to waste their time? Thats not your reality. You never know what you are trually capable of doing till you break out of your comfort zone. All these negative thoughts are being generated by your ego trying to itself. Your ego trying to block your progress to save itself. Just go out and do it. If you succeed, you feel good and if you fail, its a hit on your ego. Win/win
3. Any belief that prevents you from acheiving success is a limiting belief. There are the excuses that you come up with for not doing things,"i cant do it", "they dont like me", "i will never succeed. We call them limiting beliefs because you are putting a limit onto yourself without even going out and doing it. As you can sense, limiting beliefs are going to block your growth.
In short, your ego and limiting beliefs are causing this negativity in your thoughts because they want to protect themselves. You have to realise the true cause of the issue, ignore it and throw yourself out there. Thats the only way to know what you really are and what you are capable of doing.

Make a list of things that you are uncomfort doing, and start doing them one by one. Throw yourself out there in the fied. Best of Luck !

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I don't think his problem is opening, its being bored by the conversation with random girls he doesn't know. I understand this, sometimes im also thinking: ah screw it, this is boring...

Idontknow what it is, sometimes you just cant enjoy a conversation, you get bored really quick haha

here are some ideas, these things all helped me with opening, here are a series of fun challenges for yourself to complete

challenge 1: open 10 girls in one day/night, open with, hey let me get a quick opinion on something, I'm really bad with girls, and I was woundering, what is it that you find attractive in a guy? (don't take their advice seriously)

off of that opener, you will get like, mad hook rate, and good responses, but good luck closing lol, use this opener as your stepping stone to practise transitioning into a conversation, it will feel less weird since every damn girl and her mom want to chime in on this one

challenge 2: open 10 girls in one day, the goal of the sets is to 1st, stop and them with excuse me, and eye contact, when they stop, your opener is, PLEASE REJECT ME, NO ONE LOVES ME

try to have a conversation as long as possible, if you get past 2 minutes of talking ask for a phone number and a date

challenge 3: 1-vt117525.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

take this challenge, once complete you are ready to start your journey, you can pick a method, or you can build your own, but at this point if you can get through all seven days and state intent, and go for close, you can get laid, just need to play numbers, the more numbers you play the better you will get, and then it just becomes a game of numbers, and you will start feeling comfortable approaching every girl you think is cute, and not only that once you have some form of abundance you will feel less inclined to put girls on a pedastool, and you will know the answer of WHAT DO I DO WHEN THIS DOESNT WORK?, SHE IS FLAKING? HB10 WITH BF? HOW TO GET THIS GIRL? the answer is allways do your best till you get a yes or a no, then move on, if she won't give you either, then ignore and nextfocus on the actually trying to hit on girls more then the HOW TO HIT ON GIRLS, once you have that down and you are comfortable doing it, focus on the HOW TO

GOOD LUCK

the guy with the ego and limiting beliefs had some good points! It is part of my big ego, definetly but at the same time.

I'll be like why the fuck do I have to do EVEYRHITNG right from the open...Its like if I don't look for her,then chase and open, create random conversation, pick up, grab number, and set up a date and so on and so forth ...If I dont do !that! nothing is going to happen!

And this is what pisses me off and just makes it so hard to commit to opening a girl!

Im still stuck, any other thoughts, insigghts, suggestions?? Thanks guys.