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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:46 pm 
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USA Florida, I’m a Senior in High School, and this all took place over a series of weeks (a month).

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To keep this story short, very bluntly I am going to bring you up to speed.

In the past, 3 Years ago (freshmen year of high school) I meet this HB 9 who didn’t go to my school, and everything was good for about 3 weeks. On our first date (Valentine’s Day) I took her out, bought her an expensive dinner, and even kiss closed. A week later she dropped me like a hot potato, through a MySpace message she said “I was too clingy”, I never saw her again. Back then I got One-Itis having my AFC ways get the best of me.

Now 3 years later I’m a Senior and I’ve managed to get rid of most of my AFC ways, and over the years I’ve been learning Pick Up.

Point is we started talking again, this time she initially started liking me, maybe even 2x as much then before (cause of pick up). I asked her to be my Homecoming date, and she said yes, then we had our first date the following week (cooking dinner at my house) but I failed to make kino.

Then after our first date we were supposed to meet but she flaked on me twice, on the third time we met up with some friends the day before Homecoming, I failed. When she sat next to me in the theater I was too chicken to Kino escalate or kiss her, even though I had the right IOIs, and that night when my friends and I dropped her off home I was even to chicken to walk her to her door.

Situation:
My problem is what happened in and after Homecoming. I failed to sweep her off her feet on Friday, like a man cause of my lack of experience.

I was at a major disadvantage cause of what I didn’t do on Friday, then on Saturday, Homecoming, it was a complete disaster. But it’s how this girl handled it afterwards, that makes me wonder whether she’s even worth it. I went to her homecoming with our friends from her school, she was supposed to be my date but she ended up dancing with other guys.

Unlike regular AFCs I didn’t die over this, and I went on and danced even picked up another girl (to make her jealous, and she saw).

Now to the main problem, even though she was my date, she danced with another guy, that’s one thing, I didn’t get mad over this, I should have just kissed her at homecoming to reassure her that I was the right guy. I knew because I didn’t escalate the relationship I was losing major attraction,

So I wanted to set things right, I wanted to let her know what’s up “lay it on the line, kiss her, and if she still didn’t like me I would just move on, but I wanted to end it in person.”, I ask to meet her the day after homecoming, she agreed but she didn’t follow through two days in a row, and then started ignoring me. Then she updates her status on Facebook with a pic of her an another guy, and updates her status that she’s in a relationship with him….

I was pissed.

1st She ditches & dances with another guy
2nd She didn’t follow through to meet up & ignores me
3rd She Hooks up with another guy

All in the same week!

Then she tells me through a text a day after the Facebook update “he’s gay, just saying”
And my Bros that go to her school confirm it. But I don’t reply to her text.

Conclusion:

I really like this girl, so much so I get scared making the big moves. I F’ed up by not manning up and making my moves, cause she did like me but I fumbled the attraction, But she also didn’t handle this correctly by F’ing with me, playing these games.

Conclusion, Conclusion:

She probably doesn’t like me anymore, and is thinking I still like her. But the thing is, I do still like her and I wanna FLIP the TABLES, I wanna get her to chase me so I can push HER away to get back the attraction. Right now I’m thinking of freezing her out, and picking this up after gaining more experience with other women, or is there a better way to do this?

Idk, please PUA Community help me out! How can I accomplish this turning of the tables correctly and flip this all around!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:24 pm 
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Its a little weird that even though the guy is gay she still puts she is in a relationship with him. thats just odd to me. I ususally just go direct. i dont like dangling around a girl with freeze outs. In my opinion i would go direct on her, ask her out on a date ro something in that matter and finally escalate enough kino to get a good kiss close. if that fails and doesnt happen i would just move on from it. You dont want to start having oneites from this chick specially now that you will be going to college!. im junior in college right now and trust me it is much easier to get HBs so you definately do not want to miss out because of one chick. so in conclusion id say go direct, grow some balls and do kino. if it works then great if not then you have plenty of windows open to meet more beautiful women. hope this helps.

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Its a little weird that even though the guy is gay she still puts she is in a relationship with him. thats just odd to me. I ususally just go direct. i dont like dangling around a girl with freeze outs. In my opinion i would go direct on her, ask her out on a date ro something in that matter and finally escalate enough kino to get a good kiss close. if that fails and doesnt happen i would just move on from it. You dont want to start having oneites from this chick specially now that you will be going to college!. im junior in college right now and trust me it is much easier to get HBs so you definately do not want to miss out because of one chick. so in conclusion id say go direct, grow some balls and do kino. if it works then great if not then you have plenty of windows open to meet more beautiful women. hope this helps.

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Well, you know some girls have like that gay best friend, and just joking around she puts that she was in a relationship with him (joking around not with me, but like in general). But yeah, if she still had me on the side like I was, it's still not right, I mean I didn't know that he was gay till, when she told me the day after.

Anyways your right I shouldn't prolong this, I guess I'll just let this whole thing cool down a bit. In a week I'll try going for that one last meet.

Thanks for the insight :)

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:51 pm 
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I was pissed.

1st She ditches & dances with another guy
2nd She didn’t follow through to meet up & ignores me
3rd She Hooks up with another guy

All in the same week!
Wait..you're pissed at her? For what? Because she wants to be with a man? Or because she wants to be with you? It's obvious that she wanted to be with you, but by all your own admissions, she kept giving you the opportunity and you kept flaking out on her and not escalating...so what do you expect? The only person to be pissed at is yourself. Live and learn. Next time don't let yourself be distracted by her beauty...you need to stay in the game use your head, work on your body language and non-verbal communication skills


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I was pissed.

1st She ditches & dances with another guy
2nd She didn’t follow through to meet up & ignores me
3rd She Hooks up with another guy

All in the same week!
Wait..you're pissed at her? For what? Because she wants to be with a man? Or because she wants to be with you? It's obvious that she wanted to be with you, but by all your own admissions, she kept giving you the opportunity and you kept flaking out on her and not escalating...so what do you expect? The only person to be pissed at is yourself. Live and learn. Next time don't let yourself be distracted by her beauty...you need to stay in the game use your head, work on your body language and non-verbal communication skills
For future references, you need to get over your fear of kino, and PUA's dont get pissed, they get even, or higher

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:13 pm 
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Just stop.

Pickup is not just about scoring any woman you want, because that's impossible. Nobody has a 100% success, but as you get better those blowouts are for a variety of reasons. The girl doesn't wanna cheat on her boyfriend/husband, she's a lesbian, she's a bitch, etc. It is just as important to learn when to walk away when it is healthier, and now is the time.

Oddly enough, my advice for this isn't all that different than the usual advice for "turning the tables." Here's what you do: go enjoy life. Play ball in the park with friends, learn chess, go to a rave just to go a little crazy without even doing drugs. Along the way you can meet new people, men and women, who can become friends, and maybe along teh way you meet some women who you can really enjoy spending time with in whatever way you want.

That being said, you also gotta learn from your mistakes. If you try to go out and flirt with girls yet do the same shit you did this time around that did not help your case, you will see similar results.


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Just stop.

Pickup is not just about scoring any woman you want, because that's impossible. Nobody has a 100% success, but as you get better those blowouts are for a variety of reasons. The girl doesn't wanna cheat on her boyfriend/husband, she's a lesbian, she's a bitch, etc. It is just as important to learn when to walk away when it is healthier, and now is the time.

Oddly enough, my advice for this isn't all that different than the usual advice for "turning the tables." Here's what you do: go enjoy life. Play ball in the park with friends, learn chess, go to a rave just to go a little crazy without even doing drugs. Along the way you can meet new people, men and women, who can become friends, and maybe along teh way you meet some women who you can really enjoy spending time with in whatever way you want.

That being said, you also gotta learn from your mistakes. If you try to go out and flirt with girls yet do the same shit you did this time around that did not help your case, you will see similar results.
I think for sure I now know what to do, and your right. Sometimes you need to know when it's time to walk away. Peoples actions speak louder then their words, I don't need to take her out on a final date to talk, because her actions already spoke for her. (she already move on.) Instead of trying to find this closure and be all like "Oh, I should have kissed you and bla", I'm just going to learn from this, practice my kino and get over that, and so next time I find LTR material I wont mess up.

So everyone thanks for the help.

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Hey, everyone... I got a

Status Update:
So in-spite of what I said I meet her again, and... she gave me another chance. All of our friends got together at my house. I then took her to my room, alone... I immediately started applying kino from the beginning of the interaction to make my touch with her casual (Success). There we started talking about everything that has happened, and now we're both okay. An as I started to think I got rid of my AFC ways 8), I was wrong!

Everything was easy, conversation, small kino, but then when I had to make my move, the simple step of kissing her... I couldn't!

Soon after my failure, my friends couldn't figure out what to do that night. So her and her friend just ended up leaving, as we dropped her off, I got out of the car and started talking to her, I still couldn't do it. Then she ended up leading me to her friends door, where it was just the two of us, after 1.5mins of staling I started to say "You know when you pulled me aside in Homecoming, and you got really close *I got close*, there's something I should have given you..." And then.. Idk how many freakin! chances I got in total by now, But still I still f'ed up! again I freaking couldn't kiss her!

Then she ended up giving me a pity hug, and then I tried to go in one more last-time but, I just couldn't muster up the confidence! of graving her be the neck and goin in and... BAM! she ended up giving me a 2nd pity hug, and then she said oh "we'll need to meet on a one on one" (as in another date), and then as I held her hand we slowly separated, and parted ways.

I DLV'ed so baddly that she probably thinks I am just another typical AFC, Nice Guy! I've lost my edge!

Conclusion:
I have an new sticking point (all my life, with all the women I've kissed I just end up building sexual tension, and then let them do all the work! But I've never gone in my self) How can I fix my sticking point of not being able to kiss on my own.

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Hey, everyone... I got a

Status Update:
So in-spite of what I said I meet her again, and... she gave me another chance. All of our friends got together at my house. I then took her to my room, alone... I immediately started applying kino from the beginning of the interaction to make my touch with her casual (Success). There we started talking about everything that has happened, and now we're both okay. An as I started to think I got rid of my AFC ways 8), I was wrong!

Everything was easy, conversation, small kino, but then when I had to make my move, the simple step of kissing her... I couldn't!

Soon after my failure, my friends couldn't figure out what to do that night. So her and her friend just ended up leaving, as we dropped her off, I got out of the car and started talking to her, I still couldn't do it. Then she ended up leading me to her friends door, where it was just the two of us, after 1.5mins of staling I started to say "You know when you pulled me aside in Homecoming, and you got really close *I got close*, there's something I should have given you..." And then.. Idk how many freakin! chances I got in total by now, But still I still f'ed up! again I freaking couldn't kiss her!

Then she ended up giving me a pity hug, and then I tried to go in one more last-time but, I just couldn't muster up the confidence! of graving her be the neck and goin in and... BAM! she ended up giving me a 2nd pity hug, and then she said oh "we'll need to meet on a one on one" (as in another date), and then as I held her hand we slowly separated, and parted ways.

I DLV'ed so baddly that she probably thinks I am just another typical AFC, Nice Guy! I've lost my edge!

Conclusion:
I have an new sticking point (all my life, with all the women I've kissed I just end up building sexual tension, and then let them do all the work! But I've never gone in my self) How can I fix my sticking point of not being able to kiss on my own.
Damn man you had the kiss closed! anyways, the only way to break through this sticking point is to actually go for the kiss. Try using Mystery's kiss gambit. Its a good way to break through that sticking poihnt.

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