As I'm a curious person I have some questions, and also some thoughts about how I'd react to different situations with a guy. Like sharing my female point of view I guess

1. When I read about IOI's given by a girl I can't help but think that guys misinterpret that a lot. It says that an IOI is if for example she is facing you, smiling and having an open body language. But that is something a lot of girls do, not necessarily because of attraction but because they like to meet new people and are polite and social. I do that a lot and it gets misinterpreted a lot, so I just wonder if you guys get better at detecting real IOI's?

2. What I don't really read so much about in here is how you treat a girl that you have hooked up with (given that was your only intention). I mean somewhere between hooking up with a chick and writing a lay report what happens lol? Do you just say bye bye and try to get her out as fast as possible saying you have work to do or something?

3. For girls the first kiss is extremely important, it's like a culmination of the attraction that has build up before it, a way to show submission, and it gives her a lot of pointers about how a possible sexual interaction with him would be like! I guess that goes both ways. But how important is the first kiss to you guys personally, not just like a part of the seduction process?

4. Stuff like negs and the pull-release stuff are powerful, and I love it when guys do it. But do guys like it when girls do it to them, does it have the same effect? I guess I can be like that naturally with guys I feel are fun and easy to be around and not self conscious. And it can be fun even if there are no sex in the equation.

I also wonder since things build up for a girl during the different stages, do things build up for you as well as you go on? Like attraction, and comfort level etc, or is it more or less the same? I mean it is intended to get the girl hooked, but you must be affected as well?

I'm very interested in psychology, so all of this is very fascinating to me

#1. Yes, even though people bs on the forum that everything should be considered as a IOI we know thats not true (I hope). Some things people do are out of politeness or they want a bigger tip (waitress, cashier ect.). But yes we are also very good at detecting real IOI's if you're experienced (personally IOI's would be EASY for me to detect, but I usually don't care if she's interested at first because I know she will be sooner or later, plus some people base their techniques on whether they get a IOI and it's to much work to decipher one properly)

2.A lot of this forum seems to be built on one-night-stands. So it's not surprising there is more info on those - how you treat a girl is based on so many different things there isn't a good formula, but women are somewhat attracted to the same things so it's easier to write on that.

3.No comment, i'll let you squirm on that one

4.Usually no, guys like myself have larger ego's and more street rep so if you put us down with a neg or something we'll get pretty defensive easily because we don't want others to see us being put down by a woman. Although push-pull does have the same effect negs usually dont.

This is all my opinion and doesn't represent what anyone else thinks and doesn't speak for this forum - just what I think I've seen

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Point 1:IOI's may not say,"I wanna bang you",but they are signs that the girl is open to meeting that guy.

I doubt a girl would be consciously giving signs of IOI's to a guy she's repulsed by.

Point 2 depends on the individual guy and what he wants with a specific girl.

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1. When in the game some time you'll feel the difference between her being interested and her being polite. I can say I haven't been wrong yet. As far as goes for myself and as goes for others.

2. I'll say I have to go and she may always call me again later.

3. It's not that important to me. But I like kissing.

4. Both push-pull and negs do trigger me I must admit. Looking back at te best female gamers I've encountered they all did the same: strong (near male) sexual talk but then hold back. Drives me mad.

5. I think that's pretty much the same for men and women.

Thanks again for replies.

I 'd just like to mention that there are a few things that have a certain effect on guys. For example implying he is gay, not saying "you look gay" but saying "I like gay guys, they are so understanding" after he say certain things. He will try to qualify as not being gay lol. I've been doing it unintentionally several times and it has the same effect, it's like he thinks "doesn't she get that I'm hitting on her" and then he will try harder:P

Saying to a date that "I like nice guys that are in contact with their feelings", and suddenly the date starts to give money to beggars and starts to talk about his feelings and he never did up to that point. I would never manipulate people, but I guess it resembles qualification tests and hoops, setting a frame.

And I think push and pull is very funny to do with guys in any situation, it probably has the same effect as doing it to a girl.

Btw, how would you guys react if a girl said: "I admit you are a bit cute, you can be my purse puppy if you want?" or "Haha, you're weird, but sort of cute. Maybe we should dress you up so I can make money out of you being my street pet". English isn't my native language, so not sure I translated properly

I would feel challenge with those provocations. And would neg you more and see where this is going.

But be carefull there are some "ALPHA MALES" who dont like womens giving negs in front of there friends.

This is guys jumping in your hoops. Guess you need to find a PUA, so he can start avoiding those damn hoops

I can't imagine properly skilled gamers will respond in that manner what you're saying. My longest response would be "cool" or "I'm pretty sure you do" and then I'd change subject.

But when I'm in a conversation with a women who knows the tricks to the trade I must admit I enjoy the pick-up far better. Tonight I was chatting up a woman that was going full force, sexual talk, teases and shit. Even negging me. I was like ok broheem, let's get this party started. And thus we were creating a enormous sexual vibe teasing back and forth. She loved it, I loved it. And that's the way it should always be.