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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:07 am 
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My younger sister is friends with a HB8.5. I have never met the HB8.5 before but I have seen pictures of her on my sisters Facebook page. Last week I asked my sister who her friend was and told her she was hot. I seen my sister last night at my parents house and she told me that she had text her friend the night before and told her what I had said and that Iwas asking about her. Her friend replied with "Oh yes, that will do for me :)"

I am going to a halloween party tomorrow night and this HB8.5 will be there. Obviously I am going to speak to her at some point but I am a novice when it comes to speaking and attracting women. Although I would class myself as good looking and I have slept with quite a lot of girls but I am no good when speaking to girls and trying to build attraction. I don't think I have ever approached and attracted a girl who did not show prior interest in me.

Any advice on how to play this?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:32 am 
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here are some notes on attraction, building rapport, and number closing which might be of interest to you as well as some conversational techniques that i use all the time. enjoy.

one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys.

building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude ;-)


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:43 am 
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isolate and escalate

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Well, I couldn't read what the previous poster said (too long!!) but I'm sure he has something good in there. :)

My advice would be to capitalize on push/pull.

Get to the party, and when you get to meet her, just be nice and friendly. Do not act like you're meeting a stranger, since till certain extent, she's your friend too (by association).

Greet her with a hug and say something like "Oh wow, nice meeting you...I've heard so much about you...mostly bad things, but some good ones haha" (big smile). Make it appear fun and a joke.

Talk to her for a second. Ask questions like:
"So, how do you and my sister know each other? Believe or not, I have no clue..."
"Who are you? You seem cool, what's magical and interesting about you?" (big smile).

The point is to be a bit fresh and direct without being too forward. She knows your sister, so you don't need additional social proof. You can totally be "cool and smooth".

After chatting her up a bit, it's time to pull back. You should leave the set, and go mingle with other people at the party. Why? you may wonder, so she doesn't think that all you came there to do was to see her (women make these assumptions easily).

Wander around, talk to other people, have some fun, and socialize as much as possible. She'll see all of this, trust me, but you should do it not looking for validation. Just be "friendly".

At some point, go back to her and re-start the conversation. This is like a second date, so you can kino escalate now. If you approach her from behind, you can get into her set by putting your hand on her back...she might get surprised but don't worry, once she realizes it's you, she'll just smile.

Talk a bit more, isolate, and get to know her...questions, questions, questions, without making it a job interview. Pay attention to what she says, and ask questions based on her responses. Avoid talking about school, work, politics and religion (or abortion).

Hope it helps :)

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hey bansario. most of your post was spot on correct except the last part after isolation. constant questions does not build any attraction or deep rapport. look at my post about empathy and QSQS. you'll see what i mean.


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hey bansario. most of your post was spot on correct except the last part after isolation. constant questions does not build any attraction or deep rapport. look at my post about empathy and QSQS. you'll see what i mean.
Good point. Questions that make the interaction sound like a job interview are definitely bad, and I should have specified it. However, I do believe in the concept of "Question/Contribution". People like to hear the sound of their own voices, so by making the girl talk a lot, you have more chances of building rapport than by you doing all the talking.

The important aspect to consider is to add value to the conversation (Contribution) whenever you ask a question. For example:

Her: I love animals

You: Do you have a pet? I really like small dogs, even though they look ridiculous and funny haha.

Her: blah blah blah.

So basically you ask questions to make her talk, but you also add something to the conversation which can help you demonstrate higher social value.

You cannot run the entire interaction based on questions of course, but it's great practice for anyone having problems with things to say. Also, it helps guys develop a sense for "paying attention to what women say" which many don't have. :)

Good call.

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