alright, so this girl i know is a sophomore and i am a senior, and she wasnt responding to my texts. This seemed pretty stupid to me until i realized the problem, and i'm pretty sure it was that she is insecure. She is really pretty, at least HB9, but she had surgery on her back this past summer and i think it causes her insecurity. me being a good looking guy who is known for being good with girls may be factor too. idk, you guys are the masters so heres the situation:

First she didnt respond to a text i sent but in retrospect, the text was really for ending the convo, not keeping it going.

w/e, a few days later i texted her sending a link to a picture of her friend who looks like he is in his mid thirties (even though he is really a sophomore) and asked her if she knew him. no response... then three days later (today) this is the convo we had.

me: i don't know if my senior swag is too much to handle, and thats why you don't respond, but i really have a question about the dude in the link above, so hit me back when you get this.

her: my bad, when i go on i just get on then sign off..but yeah i know him why?

me: ahah its alright, your cute so I’ll forgive you this one time… but my friends and I seriously wanna know how old that kid is

her: hes seriously 15..lol he just turned it in july , his bday is july 5th 1996..

me: o haha, we thought he was an undercover cop and he was blowing his cover in that picture i linked above (he was holding a gun in the link i sent her, and at 15 years old has a fully grown beard)

her: haha ooh noo, not at alll ; but thats prettty fuunny you thought that ahah

me: yeah lol, kinda dissappointed he isn't but w/e. i forgot to right your phone number down last time, what is it again?

her: the number....

me: alright i g2g but i'll text it

her: kkkkkay



From where i was at, this seems like a solid recovery. any ideas with where to go from here would be great, cuz unlike almost all the other girls, i actually want this one. i said she was cute and forgave her in order to make her feel more comfortable cuz it seemed her lack of confidence was just eating her up.

Your doing fine. Whatever you come up with will be good. I know the community seems like they are very good at giving advice, but there is so much anyone can do through a post. Really. I suggest you call her and natural game/do whatever you do to set up a day 2. If it works for you it works for you. And if you get a number than it is working. Turn that number into a day 2. The only thing I can tell you is when someone asks for advice on this forum, it generally is a sign that they are stressing over this. That's ok, we have all been there. But it also messes with the cool/incontrol/smooth vibe that girls like. So work on being in a good and stress free mood before talking to her. I listen to my favorite music before sarging, gets me in a good state. That will help out more than any "line" I can give you.

Sorry dude, you lost me at 'I sent her a text'

Does she have throat cancer, is she only able to communicate through the use of her thumbs, why didn't you just pick up the phone like a grown-up and call the girl?

If you had, you wouldn't have been sitting around waiting twiddling your thumbs waiting for a digital message to come through your phone. If you have the option to call, call.

Texting is not a substitute, you are creating an extra degree of separation between you and someone you hope to become intimate with, where is the logic in this?

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[quote="tippicanoe"]Your doing fine. Whatever you come up with will be good. I know the community seems like they are very good at giving advice, but there is so much anyone can do through a post. Really. I suggest you call her and natural game/do whatever you do to set up a day 2. If it works for you it works for you. And if you get a number than it is working. Turn that number into a day 2. The only thing I can tell you is when someone asks for advice on this forum, it generally is a sign that they are stressing over this. That's ok, we have all been there. But it also messes with the cool/incontrol/smooth vibe that girls like. So work on being in a good and stress free mood before talking to her. I listen to my favorite music before sarging, gets me in a good state. That will help out more than any "line" I can give you.[/quote]

thanks dude. the whole music thing is a smart idea, and your right, my head wasn't in the right place going into it. guess i got lucky that time.

[quote="Kieran Black"]Sorry dude, you lost me at 'I sent her a text'

Does she have throat cancer, is she only able to communicate through the use of her thumbs, why didn't you just pick up the phone like a grown-up and call the girl?

If you had, you wouldn't have been sitting around waiting twiddling your thumbs waiting for a digital message to come through your phone. If you have the option to call, call.

Texting is not a substitute, you are creating an extra degree of separation between you and someone you hope to become intimate with, where is the logic in this?[/quote]

I would 100% agree with you if not for the fact that some other dude on here wrote that texting can become a part of a girls daily life. If this became the case, she would be expecting texts everyday, and then when she doesn't get them, think something is wrong... I forget the guys name, but i know he was in high standing and had a rep of 80 something.

I do agree, however, on the fact that i need more phone and natural talk, and i wound up asking her to go to play mini golf today and she said yes. and she said she would be happy to so thanks for the help

I think the mini golf is good, because i actually know a thing or two about golf, and can use that to escalate the kino. anyway, thanks for the help

Hi mjgebhard,

I don't mean to toot my own horn but if you are going by reputation, I have been a professional coach in this industry for over three years (recently retired) I have worked within two very successful Australian based seduction companies.

(Just google Pua Fuego, Puastyle, Way of the Player)

I have not been active on this forum for well over a year but as you can see, for my minimal post contribution I still hold a pretty impressive reputation. So in a nutshell, I wouldn't be too dismissive of peoples advice on the bases of a number that appears under their avatar.

But enough about me.

Texting might be a big part of a teenage girls life but what you need to remember is that if you're trying to seduce a girl, you shouldn't be trying to fit in with her world you should be aiming to rock her world.

That is why you would call her like a man rather than text her like all the other boys in her life that are too afraid to talk to a real live girl on the phone. You are showing her that you are not afraid of her and different to all the other guys in her life.

Sure texting might work sometimes but it will never work as well as calling. It is just words on the screen, it is so abstract from real real communication it's rediculous.

At least if you phone a girl she can tell when you're being flirty, when you're being funny, when you're being seductive.

Without voice tone to convey the feeling and emotion, a text message leaves all that open for interpretation.

For example.

'hey this is Gary what are you doing tonight?'

This could be sleazy, this could be cute, this could be needy.

So what do you do?

You try and add a smiley face at the end to show her you're being friendly but really it just makes you look supplicating and emasculated.

You try and add a few x's and o's at the end and it makes you look horny and desperate.

Not to mention the constant stream of mistakes arising from auto correct...

'hey this if gay what are you midget pornography'

Trust me, the moment you start calling rather than texting it will take your game to a whole new level.

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[quote="Kieran Black"]Hi mjgebhard,

I don't mean to toot my own horn but if you are going by reputation, I have been a professional coach in this industry for over three years (recently retired) I have worked within two very successful Australian based seduction companies.

(Just google Pua Fuego, Puastyle, Way of the Player)

I have not been active on this forum for well over a year but as you can see, for my minimal post contribution I still hold a pretty impressive reputation. So in a nutshell, I wouldn't be too dismissive of peoples advice on the bases of a number that appears under their avatar.

But enough about me.

Texting might be a big part of a teenage girls life but what you need to remember is that if you're trying to seduce a girl, you shouldn't be trying to fit in with her world you should be aiming to rock her world.

That is why you would call her like a man rather than text her like all the other boys in her life that are too afraid to talk to a real live girl on the phone. You are showing her that you are not afraid of her and different to all the other guys in her life.

Sure texting might work sometimes but it will never work as well as calling. It is just words on the screen, it is so abstract from real real communication it's rediculous.

At least if you phone a girl she can tell when you're being flirty, when you're being funny, when you're being seductive.

Without voice tone to convey the feeling and emotion, a text message leaves all that open for interpretation.

For example.

'hey this is Gary what are you doing tonight?'

This could be sleazy, this could be cute, this could be needy.

So what do you do?

You try and add a smiley face at the end to show her you're being friendly but really it just makes you look supplicating and emasculated.

You try and add a few x's and o's at the end and it makes you look horny and desperate.

Not to mention the constant stream of mistakes arising from auto correct...

'hey this if gay what are you midget pornography'

Trust me, the moment you start calling rather than texting it will take your game to a whole new level.[/quote]





Wow.... that is a fantastic point. thank you so much, i didn't even realize that. I will make sure to keep that in mind. For the record tho, i didn't mean to disrespect your advice or anything, i was just saying that another legitimate source said otherwise. But after reading what you wrote, your reasoning seems to make a lot more sense. thank you for your help

Aside from the good old "texting vs calling" debate, you ejected right after closing the number. IMO that makes a woman feel cheap both in person and via text. It almost comes off as the number is a trophy, yet all a number is good for is logistics in making a date happen.

Personally, my text game is extremely strong, and I've held girl's attention for years with 95% text and have gotten laid from it too. I used text for attraction and comfort mostly, then when I want to meet up with a girl, I keep it going and use it to make a date. When date night comes, I text some more earlier in the day with some anti-flake material, then call when it's time to meet up.

NO texting when you're close to your date time.

What is an example of anti-flaking material? I have never heard of that.

Basically, you set frames so she acts in accordance with what your wishes are. If you think she might be flaky, then set the frame with something like:

"you're not one of those girls who is really cool for awhile, but ends up being a cross dresser or flaky, are you?"

That's just an example... I typically create them as I go, guess I should start writing them down somewhere. Additionally, increasing attraction can be considered "anti-flaky" as a girl who is freshly and highly attracted to you will 99% not flake on you.

Hmm I don't know dude, I haven't heard of 'anti-flaking material' before either and I have been around in this community for awhile, I think this might just be a concept you developed on your own and not a 'generally accepted' thing (then again maybe I'm just ignorant)

I would be more inclined to consider it further if you hadn't given such a bad example, what on earth do cross dressing and flaking have to do with each other? One is significantly stranger than the other, if you were to say that to a girl she would just think you were weird.

For one thing, flaking is not a term commonly used by the general populace, when girls are talking to one another they don't say...

'Hey Cindy, so I was going to see that guy from work the other night but I totally flaked on him'

Only PUA community guys say that. Same with DHV, same with Negging.

If you were to say that to a girl who has read or heard of the game (and most attractive young Western girls have) then she would just think that you were one of those 'game guys' and wouldn't give you the time of day.

If she didn't know what flaking was then you would need to explain it to her which would make you seem even more lame because you have your own special word for it (because it happens to you that often)

And where are you getting that statistic from? What? You mean you made it up to try and prove a point? well that's 67% ridiculous in my opinion.

Pokerslot, I know you're probably feeling peeved right now that some stranger on the internet is pulling you up on that but seriously dude. Get a clue before you start handing out advice to others, all you are doing is confusing the newbies.

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Okay given that he gave a bad example, flaking is not that hard of a concept to understand from the context. I can understand if they would give you a weird look for saying DHV or neg. Anyone could say "He was such a flake, he never shows up on time". I would add in a definition just to be safe. Before now I never even considered "flaking" a PUA only term.

Plus I found his advice pretty helpful, I have had issues with flaking before and have never thought to frame someone against flaking before his comment. I understood what he was getting at. I will definitely field test this.

Anti-flaking material is a pseudo concept.

If she wants to see you then she will show up, if you have done something to put her off she wont show up, simple. You are more likely to put her off using weird lines like example above than if you were to just be a cool guy.

I believe that pokerslot's advice is significantly more harmful to your game than beneficial, that is my objection.

If you want some helpful advice on reducing your flake rate I am happy to offer it, don't mean to be a negative Nancy.

Here are three awesome tips for reducing your flake rate.

1. Don’t end the conversation immediately after asking her out.

When most men call up a girl to ask her out, they will phone her up, make a little bit of small talk, ask the question then once they get a yes they will hang up the phone and think they are God’s gift to women for the next half an hour.

The problem with this though, is that the men who do this often count their chickens before they hatch and when the time comes around to meet up for their date, what do you know, they get stood up or the girl cancels with a tentative re-scheduling option.

Then the guy gets frustrated and either gets mopey or angry and ends up blowing any remaining chance he had because of this.

Well the reality is that nothing you can do will guarantee that they stick to what they told you, but there is one major thing you can do to improve your chances.

After she says ‘yes’ change the course of the conversation and continue it in a lighter direction (such as cute little puppies, everyone loves puppies!)

The reason this works is because when you ask a girl out then end the conversation at that, you are leaving it at a high intensity and therefore between the time she agrees and the time she is due to meet up with you this intensity stays constant and results in her feeling like she is under surmounting pressure. This is bad.

2. Offer to pick her up from her place rather than meet her out somewhere.

Once you get a girls address it is like getting an insurance policy on the date, even if she tries to flake, you know where she lives, so you can just rock up regardless and act like you didn't get the message.

A girl can easily flake on a guy who doesn't have anything but her number, she can just ignore his calls and text messages, but when a guy has an address there is the fear of a physical confrontation arising from being held accountable for the flake.

This is enough to make most girls think twice about flaking on a guy who knows where she lives.

3. Never ask a girl out for the first time via text message.

You are just asking for trouble here, there is nothing romantic or seductive about sending a text message to a girl asking her out, regardless of whether she goes out with you or not, you have established in the preliminary stages that you are a afraid of her because you didn't ask her out in person or at the very least with your actual voice.

Women like men who make them feel like women. If they feel that they are the strong confident one's in the relationship, then it is lacking a primal component, the need to be dominated by a strong powerful mate.

That strong powerful mate should be you and not her.

Excerpts from Way of the Player http://www.wayoftheplayer.com

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