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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:08 am 
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How about just skipping the whole ignoring part to freezing out?
I always used to think freezing out just means pretending you are dead (or the other one is). But in one or 2 of my cases establishing a solid form of eye contact each time you see eachother.

The very point of a freeze is not to show her you don't care about her anymore or have moved on, it's one of the more severe IOD's you can trow at a girl (or neg but I don't really like that term anymore).
Giving her looks will make her think, why is he giving me the look but still freezing out?
Two possible responses: 1) She's going to find out what's up with you, stalk your facebook page, ask her friends/your friends about you or just ask you straight away.
2) He's not interested in me, boohoo, I'll just move on myself as well.


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Alright i try that, thanks alot. I try the freezing out but giving her "hints".
As i mention before,im pretty new to being a pua. But everyone has to start somewhere;).
Once again, thanks for the advice!


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update: Today one of our commend friends and i had a little chat. We just talked normally and then she asked, what was going on between me and her friend. Told her that we didnt really talk that much anymore. And she said, that i should give her same space/time. and not contact her. not sure how i should interpret it, but for me, it sounded like, it's game over.
Anyway if it is, i would like to thank the people who answered in here. Cheers guys! For helping a new member:)!


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Um a little question. Right now i think we are both "freezing" out each others. It's like if we are both on FB chat on the same time, we both log off. If we see each other at school, we just quickly have eye contact and then nothing. So hm i dont know if its back firing haha. But then again,she did tell me. After me telling her, that i been out on a date with another girl, that she needed some space. hm. Girls:P
Anyway just a little update/question:)
That˙s cool.. You`ll see.. you both need some time, so you will be less nervous around her bcs I know you are a bit now.. You will do better after a while.. And bcs you will REFRAME, i think you will do fine :) And of course she needed some time, bcs she lost interest in you.. but don`t worry, if you REALLY want her, give it a little time and then try again.. But in a different way of course.. And when you do that, DO NOT talk about anything in the past, or some gayspeeches about you two and so on.. ;)

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update: we went to the party. Was alright most of the evening. I talked to alot of people, not flirting just talking. Not standing still moving along to different groups.
had fun. But then i saw her with the guy she was interested in. Holding him and getting close. I dont know, it just got abit to much for me. Got really hurt. So i just left right away.
Anyway the day after she send me an sms asking how i was and if we should talk.
I froze her out for a couple of hours and then wrote her.(And at that point i was also thinking about, not replying and just forgetting about her. Because i got hurt pretty bad.She was standing right infront of me with that guy, arh..) anyway we sms'ed abit back and forth and she also wrote me, that she miss talking to me etc. Im really confused about her. 1 night she "hurts" me with being with that guy and the next day, she wanna talk again..
Sorry i know it got confusing. but im really confused.


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I know EXACTLY how you feel. THE worst feeling ever..
But you have to remember.. She has her own life too and she isn`t constantly thinking about you and how not to hurt you.. She saw you at the party, she knows that seeing her with another guy hurt you and she felt some kind of an obligation to text you. That`s not an IOI.. So don`t be confused.. It˙s sounds kind a harsh, I know, but that˙s how it really is...
Honestly there˙s nothing much that you can do, but to try not to think about her (yeah, i know, it˙s almost impossible) but try.. Talk and flirt with other girls, go out with them, have fun. Do that to the point when you will be able to think of her and not feel that pain inside ;) Bcs it will be better for you and for her. In this situation that you are in right now, you can make A LOT of mistakes with her. So don`t talk with her about you 2, or how you feel.. If she asks, play it cool, like it`s no big deal- you have other options, your life goes on. Don`t act jealous-I know it was a hard thing to see her with another guy, but you will have to take it.. If you are lucky, she won`t have a BF after you "recover", but even if she does, you can still try if you want. Be normal in a PUA way!! And of course still do the freeze out. To the point where you will be "FREE" of her!! That˙s VERY IMPORTANT ;) If you want to text her one day bcs you feel really down-DON`T, if you want to "get things clear" - DON`T, if you want to kind a "stalk" her to see who is she with-DON`T!!!
And update your situation with other girls and her, so we can help you ;)

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thx for the advice's.
Yesterday when i was on fb chat, chatting a friend she suddenly wrote me. I wrote her message earlier that day, just a normal chit chat sms. But she didnt reply. she then wrote that she forgot her phone at home. But she's been home since 2acloack and it was 8 when she wrote me. anyway. We started chit chatting abit, about how our day been etc. She then started turning the conversation towards her, ordering some cloth online last week and got it day. To be more precise it was underwear she started talking about. She started talking about a new bra.(Why does she start talking about that?) anyway i just played along, like it would have been any other girl. which is she, just a normal girl.
After awhile we decided i should call her(because we used to talk alot on the phone)the conversation was alright. Abit awkward and she asked a couple of times, if i had fun at the party. I just kept it cool and said it was alright. met alot of new and interesting people(which i did). But it felt like, she was digging for something.
Anyway we ended the conversation, talked abit on fb and then i logged off.
But i can feel now, that the feelings i had for her, they are still there, but i can control them alot better then what i use to. I think me seeing her with that guy, made it easier for me. And ofc reading the advice's i got from you guys:) Special thanks to Sidtine!
Anyway a little side update. I'm meeting a girl this week for movies(the girl i was on a date with), we haven found a day yet, since she is sick. so when shes up and running, we are a go. So my life isnt on hold, just because one girl had fun with my feelings.!


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Don`t overanalyze when she was on fb and when not and so on.. Just treat her like she˙s someone you barely know-and you don`t check out those people do you? :)
That˙s cool. I hope you`re not conveying interest in that conversation, but as I see, if she˙s talking about her bra.. well, you`re doing great :) But she`s probably just shit testing you, bcs you aren`t paying a lot of attention to her anymore, and girls love attention.. So you flipped the cards now, she˙s started to "work" for your attention.. But you must remain like this, like it`s no big deal.. Don`t flirt too much yet. Do that trick where you say smth like you are about to flirt, and then don`t continue and move to another thread. But don`t write her messages unless she does. And if it`s an IOD, don`t write back! Works wonders for me.
Other things that you wrote about how you talked to her and told her about some other girls.. Great job, I think you`re doing well :)) Just watch out that it doesn`t come out as bragging :)
Oh that`s great, it`s pretty bad when she was on your mind constantly a? But now you`re better, that`s great. And remember this situation every other time, when you will feel like this ;) No problem man, we˙re here to help :))
And about this "new" girl.. Great dude! And good luck of course ;)))
Keep on updating :)

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The reason she wants space is that she feels pressured, whether you put any pressure on her or not, she feels like she "should" like you.

Telling a girl you like her is never a good move, but I think you know that now. I tend to live by the motto show dont tell. If you keep pushing physically, (slowly of course so as not to be uncomfortable), the girls will eventually bring up feelings and I just tend to mirror the level they are at. Say they say "I really enjoy spending time with you", I might say something like "me too baby, we always have fun". No need to over think it.

With your current situation, I wouldnt go out of my way to avoid her, just dont go out of your way to make contact either. If you see each other somewhere smile and wave, if she comes over be receptive and friendly, if she texts answer but just say your really busy SPAM. Its her issue that she wants space so she can avoid you if she likes.

Eventually her comfort level will reset and she will either start being more friendly when she sees/texts you, or her contact will drop off a bit. She wont feel the need for space anymore and tbh, I would just play the friend card. Women make great wings, get her to help you pick up girls, you may think this will kill your chances with her but it wont, trust me. Jealousy is a complicated emotion, and works best when its not intentional. Once she opens up a bit and is back to a good friend work the kino a bit. Remember show, dont tell.


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alright thanks once again for the advice's. Right now im just answering when she writes and then ending it rather quick with. i have go to, im busy etc. I know it was stupid telling her, that i liked her. But she just made me feel comfortable. Anyway i learned from my mistakes. And yeah i think i just play the friend card so fare. And take things from there. Everything kinda switched for me, after i saw her with another guy.


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That˙s cool :) Remember for later.. IOI for IOI, IOD for IOD.. So even you write for a little longer and let`s say you ask her out or smth like that and she refuses or she can`t go (it doesn`t matter if she really can`t or she is only making an excuse), don`t text her back.. It works WONDERS I tell you.. ;)
And yes.. you were stupid, but you didn`t know that before and now you do.. So you won`t make this mistake twice :) It`s all just a practice and getting Exp..
Just take it easy and if you ever feel like it`s affecting you in a bad way-drop it.. :)

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yep thats true, practice and getting exp:)! So fare its going okay i think. shes contacting me every time on fb. idk why she does not sms me. Its only fb, she contacts me. Anyway i got IOI for IOI and IOD for IOD:). Anyway big party going on tonight, lets see what happens. Feeling good and in a good mood. So hopefully i have a fun evening;)! I keep you guys updated if anything new changes:)


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okay guys a quick question. I was chatting abit with her yesterday. She started with apologizing for her, not saying hello to me at school. I saw her quickly and just smiled at her.
And suddenly she wrote : "Listen to this song" and then she sends a love song, about a person who cant, live more or less without the other person kinda of a song. its a really good and beautiful song, dont get me wrong. but why does she send it? Should i put anything into it or? i didnt really put into into it, we talked abit about how good the song was etc. I asked her if she was up for a movie night, but she never answered because something came up. And then when she wrote back, she didnt reply to it.(and I dont wanna sound needy and ask again)
Ah yeah, the girl i was suppose to have a movie night with. Called canceled, we talked abit and we decided to just stay friends. She didnt feel the spark(even tho, she told me, that it was the best first date she ever had. Thats a pretty good thing to hear:)!) and saw potential boyfriend in me. (Was abit, wow thinking about ahead arent we:P) anyway. I had a good time out, met alot of interesting people. Right now im just taking it easy,until i get my feelings 100% under control.
But thanks again guys!:)


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"Listen to this song" and then she sends a love song, about a person who cant, live more or less without the other person kinda of a song. its a really good and beautiful song, dont get me wrong. but why does she send it? Should i put anything into it or? i didnt really put into into it, we talked abit about how good the song was etc. I asked her if she was up for a movie night, but she never answered because something came up. And then when she wrote back, she didnt reply to it.(and I dont wanna sound needy and ask again))
Wow, I've had that...never really understood it, but it's an indirect way of her saying I'm still here, still love me, pay attention to me. I used to think it meant time to try it on again, but I was wrong, basically it's a carrot and a stick, she is trying to bait you into chasing her again. Stay strong and keep things on your terms, try and spark some jealousy next time you see her, and movie night is never good when trying to break out of the F zone...once out then i find it a nice way to escalate and K close with a girl. I'd see if she wants to do something a bit more social like that party you both went too. Climbing? Go karting, heck even coffee, somewhere you can meet face to face, just you two, or a more intimate group of friends, laugh and give her banter. Not sitting in darkness watching an average film. hoping that your attempt at putting your arm round her ends in her kissing you.

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Well.. It`s possible that it˙s only a "shit test" or smth. Bcs before you were giving her a lot of attention and now that`s gone.. And all girls like attention, so maybe she just want that.
You have to remember that`s this "timing" when you will try again is not about HER but about YOU! When will YOU be ready do try again with her and whether she is even worth of that. It`s not about when She will feel comfortable that you try again, but when you will feel that IF ever.. After I saw what she˙s writing you and saying etc I think you˙re doing great, and now when you don`t talk to her much and so on, you are gaming her with that ;) And don`t talk about that song, about u2 and how things were weird before and how you missed her etc.. Reframe is not about that, bcs she doesn`t want that. Maybe she likes that, but it DOESN`T turn her attraction switches on.
You have to reframe.. And if you want to reframe, not only to her, but to every single person out there, your friends, girls etc.. You have to change yourself in a way you will feel that you are in control of your emotions and that others DO NOT HAVE AFFECTION ON HOW YOU FEEL, REACT..
So I wouldn`t make a big deal out of this song and out of anything she says, makes.. Only if she wants to kiss you or smth like that, but you have to stay in control even then. If she asks you out, don`t drop all of your plans just to see her. If you don`t have time then, you don`t have time. Instead you set up another date.
It`s good to hear that you are trying with other girls, but if she said she just wants to stay friends, you obviously conveyed way too much interest that she started to think you want her as a GF, before she wanted you as a BF.. Give it a thought ;)
Keep updating, it`s fucking interesting man! :D

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