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You have a very very degraded mindset you know that ? I'll be surprised if you'll EVER manage to have a normal meaningFUL relationship.
i manage to have a meaningfull relationship with myself and my own life... everything else is not important , it's secondary stuff..
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And what the fuck is it with you and women ? I get the fact that they're not perfect but why do you think only women backstab ? you think only women cheat ?WE are on a fcking PUA forum and THEY manipulate ? I have seen women throw away perfect relationships too and I also saw men throw away the exact same thing
you think humans are so special .. like we are enlightened...where i come from we do not deal with the human side but also with the animal side.

psychology is subjective .. instinct ,genes and biological drives are not...
that is why i usually throw all psychological system out of the window because that is all semi-subjective ( psuedo science)... all issues are created out of unbalance in the objective side : '' the biology side'' of humans. humans are fucking flawed .. it's terrible....

woman are tend to be more emotional and irrational .. they fuckup more than men IN GENERAL...
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really ? a woman will never EVER cheat on her man if they share real love and nor will a man cheat on his woman. And yea,to you it might sound fucking cliche but that's only because you never been there.And judging by your mentality I am not surprised at all.
you are being such a jackass ? what is next .. pots of gold.. woman with quadro-clits... unicorns flying over the rainbow giving you blowjobs ? i never said all woman cheat .. but because we are humans and also ANIMALS AKA BIOLOGICAL MACHINES the possiblity exist that she will cheat on you for no particular reason...

here is some maths:
ANIMAL + BIOLOGICAL MACHINE + ATTRACTION ISN'T A CHOICE + EMOTIONS = .. yes...

if you get into a relationship you must face the possiblity that she will cheat.. you must accept the fact that humans are flawed... just like the fact the relationship will end someday.. by breaking up or by death of age... all you guys don't think about these things when you get into a relationship.. you guys just wear industrial strenght beer goggles voluntarily because you are offered some vagina.

.. now enough bullshit ... im not here to talk about systems im here to help to OP so stop wasting my time with your minor imaginary realities.
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I think you're just scared...scared of getting hurt.And believe me,you will.In the greater picture though...you'll see,it was all worth it.
you are a complete moron ... you aren't listening to the OP at all ... HE IS ALREADY HURT... she didn't cheat on him , she didn't do anything to trigger this shit...

he isn't afraid of being hurt .. he's already hurt but he doesn't know why... until he knows why he will run in circles fucking himself up.

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fact is , trust is the very fundation of love.You'll never be able to share love with anyone unless you can trust them.It's as simple as that.
OP doesn't trust himself and can barely control his thoughts ... how can you trust someone if you cannot trust yourself ? he is having obsessive compulsive thoughts about cheating and other weird shit which probably is caused by some trauma in his childhood. The question is not if he should trust her ... the question is can she trust him ? he is the one having all this compulsive shit....

and stop with these god damn pussy quotes .. you are not helping him at all... Fear is not taking action... facing fear is great but you need to know where it is otherwise you cannot see it - that is how it works with internal fears.

look for fear ... once you find it... do not face it but punch it in the face .. choke that mohterfucker...

OP has lived his whole life with this fear but he never was aware of it... the harder and obsessive the issue is - the longer it has been there.

OP is just projecting .. he cannot trust anyone.. he is just projecting his own emotionsin his text.. he doesn't trust himself - give him a few more years with this state of mind and he will suffer from paranoia and schizophrenia...

eventually the OP has to accept himself...no trust = uncertainty... being uncertain about yourself is not accepting who you are... therefore his issues are not with woman, woman only trigger these issues because these old traumatized reference experiences are superglued to his ego... His girlfriend is not responsible AT ALL AN OP KNOWS IT.

his brain does not understand his emotions and experiences ( probably from childhood ) and thus it goes ballastic .. creating thoughts and lies... OP that is how your brain and body works... you feel some psychological pain - probably from childhood and your brain doesn't know why so it goes searching for proof. what you are experiencing is how flawed the human body is.... especially when you have inner game issues...

from experience if i must make a evaluation i would say OP is :

1.sexually abused in childhood
2.didn't receive enough attention from his parents and not the right type
3.Parents divorced or his mom did something bad .. like cheating on his dad
4. He was confronted with reality by his dad in childhood .. it was too much to handle so nowadays he just tries to block reality.

it's one of those 4 or a combination of them... i can assure you it has taken place in his childhood otherwise he would point out the issue, emotion and memory himself. OP probably had terrible relationships as well or they were all short term and not too serious...

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i have invested too much time in this thread ... so i have to point out my self interest and commercial interests...for 5000$ i will do surgery ... i crack your skull open and take a look in your brains to look if everything is right...with 10 free psychology sessions included of course...

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you can stop lying to yourself and try to fix your issues.. how ?
train yourself to be aware and in the moment...
and point out your issues without lying to yourself
follow inner game material and STICK TO IT
get professional help.. go to a psychologist , psychiatrist or therapist...

i don't know which country you live in and how good your health insurance is..
but i can tell you straight on, you need a psychiatrist...( very likely)
I never said humans are perfect. And yes , we ARE animals.We also poses REASON and as such , should USE it.Ofcourse we have flaws but you are taking it WAY too far.

Oh and , you say people are not machines and yet you analyse them as such.You think you know what OP's problem is and even say that he'll end up with paranoia or schizo just like you'd asses a diagnostic on some fucking car and come to the conclusion the batterie will die in 2 years.

Basically you're contradicting your own self. You take everything too far. In a way ,you're the perfect example of a drama queen.To you,every fucking lizard is a god damn dinosaur.

@ontopic: I'm not saying you should trust everyone and I'm definetly not saying DON'T trust ANYONE like lod.Trust only those who earn your trust but don't hesitate trusting them once you feel they've earned it.


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suit yourself ...

im only saying that if OP doesn't fix these issues it will haunt him for the rest of his life - fucking him up and fucking up all relationships he will have.

if he thinks about it when he is waking up then it's a subconcious problem...problem with that is that you do not have control over it unless it becomes a concious process...

im just saying he will be prone to developing severe psychological problems issues if he doesn't ty to solve it.
i never said all woman are cheating right now.. but all woman are cheaters .. they think about fucking other guys - that doesn't mean they will do it... but they are having these thoughts and it out of their control.

i just am talking about female psychology in general and suddenly all you guys starting attacking me and telling me that ; ''im saying all woman are the same and do the same ''... is said there is a possiblity that every woman will cheat and i said that it's completely normal process in female psychology to cheat on their partner. im not telling you all your moms are getting dick from multiple guys... jezus christ..

you guys feel all attacked.. you do not read what im writing at all it seems..

stop thinking that highly of woman... really ... stop praising your mom as well .. she isn't maria and you aren't jezus .. she had multiple dick before you were born- and who knows who she cheated on or who she thought about fucking with..

do not respect someone that quick .. if someones your family , parent or girlfriend that doesn't mean i have to respect him .. in modern day we don't have to die for kings or queens either.. i don't have to like , respect or follow the pope - stop treating people like they are holy ... they are all just fucking humans which are very likely to fuck other humans regardless the conditions.

you guys have the fucking maria complex ... the OP has the severe opposite... and by the way what got fucking lizards to do with all this shit ?

i used to respect woman alot... i got burned like 6 times ... im not saying i hate woman .. but i don't respect them either , if you think im a hater then it's your problem - it's your perspective..

if i got divorced after 26 years of marriage that doesn't mean it sucked for 26 years ... that is your interpretation .. im just stating facts about female biological behaviour. if you can't deal with that shit then it's your problem.

if you do not see what im writing in real life and in interactions with woman you are really being blind on purpose... im not saying i do believe my own shit - it's just fact - it's reality that is how humans work. If i run into a very enlightenend and good woman i will hook up with her without hesitation.

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I think it's really an issue of control. You can't really control her behaviour, you can try, but it won't end well. You can control your own though.

There are plenty of reasons why a girl might cheat, many of them even have nothing to do with you at all. So just worry about your own stuff, things you can be in control of, and let the rest take care of itself. There's no point living your life in horrified anticipation of something that might never happen.


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Trust murderers to be murderous,
bosses to be bossy, women to be temptresses and EVERYONE... to have their OWN best interests at heart.

Not yours.


So what do you do? It's fucking simple.
Align yourself with THEIR best interest.
Become part of their best interests.
Have yours become part of theirs.
It's called team-spirit.

No one's going to love you like you parents did, mate.
That time is gone. That feeling is gone.
But get this through your head.

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No one's out to get you. You're not THAT special.
People are out to get what they hunger for.
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So figure out what they hunger for. You'll get some peace.


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How do you do this?

Can you do this without loosing your self (or soul)?

So what do you do? It's fucking simple.
Align yourself with THEIR best interest.
Become part of their best interests.
Have yours become part of theirs.
It's called team-spirit.


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How do you do this?
Can you do this without loosing your self (or soul)?
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You're already a skeptic, mate. Will it return you your faith in humanity?
Of course not.

Will it help you to come to terms with the fact that you feel powerless and paranoid (give you back control)?
It did for me.

You need a working/usuable model of human psyche.
How do you get one?

Ponder it a little. It's you OWN sense of control you'd like to regain... Sort of defeats the purpose if I tell you my own findings right off the bat, doesn't it?

Though I'll tell you this. We people like to pretend we're all different and want different things... It's hopeful, but false.
People ARE like you. Everyone has felt confident, insecure, greedy, just, guilty etc.
We all have the same 'profiles', if you will. We all adopt these profiles when interacting with different people (Little sister, Parent, teacher, friend).

Let that thought guide you along with the following question: "What do these instances have in common?"


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I guess what im thinking is id rather have her align herself with MY best interests than the other way around...(if thats possible).

Im going to give your post some thought...

So what do you do? It's fucking simple.
Align yourself with THEIR best interest.
Become part of their best interests.
Have yours become part of theirs.
It's called team-spirit.

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How do you do this?
Can you do this without loosing your self (or soul)?
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You're already a skeptic, mate. Will it return you your faith in humanity?
Of course not.

Will it help you to come to terms with the fact that you feel powerless and paranoid?
It did for me.

You need a working/usuable model of human psyche.
How do you get one?

Ponder it a little. It's you OWN sense of control you'd like to regain... Sort of defeats the purpose if I tell you my own findings right off the bat, doesn't it?

Though I'll tell you this. We people like to pretend we're all different and want different things... It's hopeful, but false.
People ARE like you. Everyone has felt confident, insecure, greedy, just, guilty etc.
We all have the same 'profiles', if you will. We all adopt these profiles when interacting with different people (Little sister, Parent, teacher, friend).

Let that thought guide you along with the following question: "What do these instances have in common?"

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I guess what im thinking is id rather have her align herself with MY best interests than the other way around...(if thats possible).
It is.


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A women is no more likely to cheat than a man is. There is no psychological study that proves a woman is more of a cheat.

Generalizing women is a bad thing. It can lead to judgements and cause you to act according to stereotypes. If you pre-judge women, then you will act accordingly. The women that don't cheat will feel insulted by your behavior and will run away. Leaving you with the women that do cheat.

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I have alot of questions about this...

This thread is about a particular persons situation, and I dont want to hijack it.

Im thinking the maria complex affects alot of us (like me for example)...
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A women is no more likely to cheat than a man is. There is no psychological study that proves a woman is more of a cheat.

Generalizing women is a bad thing. It can lead to judgements and cause you to act according to stereotypes. If you pre-judge women, then you will act accordingly. The women that don't cheat will feel insulted by your behavior and will run away. Leaving you with the women that do cheat.

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Thankyou to everyone for replying to this post.
I don't think it's necessary for me to respond to everyones posts individually, but let me say that I think I'm on a good start with this.

Rather than wasting energy convincing myself "She won't cheat because I'm the best option" knowing full well that, even If I am, it doesn't make a difference if she's going to cheat or not - I've decided to instead simply be a really good boyfriend.

I've realised I get a little shaky and trust-less when we go on dates which aren't as fun as they were at the start. I've realised my specific problem to this girl is this:

I think "I remember how much fun we had at the start. She used to right on her facebook wall afterwards "I've never been happier in my life" etc. She doesn't do that now. Why does she see me as boring now? Is it because she's found love elsewhere? It wouldn't surprise me, because girls are cheaters"

However now I've realised that by simply being as good as I can to her, I'm seeing her happy, and as a result I don't think "Is she not happy because she's thinking about another guy/is she not happy because she feels guilty because she has done something with another guy".

The "Signs" I had that she was cheating was
1. She would seem less happy (say, by 20%) than I remember on a previous date
2. I would ask "Is anything worrying you?" and she would say she's happy
3. That would make me think "She's not telling me why she's sad. She's either cheated and is waiting for a time to tell me because she feels guilty, or she's thinking about cheating because I've become boring to her"


My solutions as mentioned has been to text her more, show her more love, take her on real dates to special places. In return she has been much happier, and I'm currently not worried nearly as much, because the relationship seems closer to what it was at the start.


My new, more minor worry, however, is why? Is it normal for girls to be super enthusiastic at the beginning of a relationship then, presumably once they get comfortable, back off a bit?
It still passes my mind why at the beginning she used to tear up a little when I said sweet things, and she would make comments like "I've never met someone as amazing as you", and now she doesn't as much.
GOOD news is, I'm no longer reasoning that this means she is cheating. I'm just a little concerned that maybe I have become too boring? Is it normal for girls to be less enthusiastic as it goes on?
Note: We are still super happy (now, since my attitude has improved), but not the RIDICULOUS level of happiness which was shown on her behalf at the beginning.

In terms of clinginess, I send her a sweet text every second day or so and call her a couple times a week. We probably see each other two times a week. Due to this, I don't think the problem is that I'm not giving her space. Maybe she feels this is too distant? I dont know.

What do you guys think?

Again, thanks so much. You have no idea how much my frame has improved in the past few days. I don't feel continuously nervous/sick, and look forward to seeing her.


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Good information.

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My new, more minor worry, however, is why? Is it normal for girls to be super enthusiastic at the beginning of a relationship then, presumably once they get comfortable, back off a bit?
It still passes my mind why at the beginning she used to tear up a little when I said sweet things, and she would make comments like "I've never met someone as amazing as you", and now she doesn't as much.
GOOD news is, I'm no longer reasoning that this means she is cheating. I'm just a little concerned that maybe I have become too boring? Is it normal for girls to be less enthusiastic as it goes on?
This is normal. The beginning of a relationship is always the most "exciting" in terms of novelty. This isn't just relationship, it applies to everything. People want what they don't have yet. Once they get it and own it, they lose that initial passion and energy for it. It's normal human behavior. It doesn't mean she's going to cheat on you. It does mean the relationship isn't as interesting as it used to be, but that's normal. And I wouldn't bother trying too hard to recreate those moments. This is just how things work.


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learn to love in the absence of trust.

learn not to need trust.

learn to love completely, selflessly in the total absence of trust.

because ... you can ... trust ... no one.

see people as flawed, love them because you love them, not because they will always be there (because they won't), not because they will never cheat on you (they will), not because they will never leave you (they will).

love. nonetheless.

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So Khrem...don't you think it's bad if it's lost it's novelty?
You always hear people breaking up because their partner "Wasn't the same" or "Just fell out of love". Wouldn't that happen when the novelty is gone?
Why can't it stay amazing the whole time?

Or...is there literally nothing you can do to maintain that initial excitement?
I guess I'm blaming myself for not keeping up with the person she thought I was in the beginning. I spose.

Mack that's great. Knowing that people are flawed, but loving them so anyway. Learning how to love. The only issue with that is that it puts a bad feeling in the back of your mind, thinking "This won't last forever". When it should be able to.


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