Hey guys,
Today i will present you an ideea that i developed by what i heard on the New Direct Method forum and guys here.This is what happens really often.
Now i don`t say "don`t start with direct" in fact its the best for building self confidence,but know where to stop yourself.Read on and you`ll realize why limit it.
The starting
The newbie starts with direct.He escalates from cute openers to Apocalypse Game style openers.He gets rejected harshly but develops a kind of mental strength (or should i call ego) from the rejections he gets.He becomes more and more confident because now he has balls to be sexually explicit with women.Not only that but he starts getting phone numbers and maybe few lays around there and there.
But what happens now?
He starts becoming really arrogant.He imagines himself being succesful everyday.When he gets home from the field,even if he gets rejected by women he starts rationalizing why he feels so confident.He feels macho,manly and really ballsy.What once was self-confidence now develops into arrogance.He goes out,gets rejected,slapped,but still feels better and better
The Fall
Now he realizes that direct game didn`t go so well.He imagines the situations where he was rejected,but now his confidence doesn`t grow.Toughts like this start to pop in mind:
"Am i a pervert?"
"Did i scare these girls?"
"I approached 3000 girls but still didn`t get laid,am i really that bad?"
"What do they think about me now?"
Now he gets really depressed because not only he has AA,but now he has a solid reason why to feel it.He switches to indirect game,for few days his confidence from the direct helps him,but he cant even get past the A3 maximum because he forgot most of the rules.(False Time Constraint,Body Rocking,and other stuff)
So now after a few days he gets really depressed.I saw this too many times to think it`s bullshit but i`ll still encourage you to give your opinion.
The result:
He loses his faith in both gaming styles.After a few weeks of depression he tries opinion openers,and build up with indirect.But now he lost a good amount of time.
Note:I really love Direct Game and have no bad opinions about it but please start with indirect,or
do mixed and build your confidence from the legitimate results you get.Or if you are really good looking and/or confident and you get results from direct than that`s fine.
These are my two cents,i really need your opinion about it,so we can warn newbies if it keeps happening.
Have a nice day,
Debugger

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I originally posted the following several months ago:

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The term “direct game” gets thrown around a lot here. But what exactly does it mean to “just go direct?”

Direct game is a very misunderstood concept here in our little community and its time for that to change. Its unfortunate but people seem to treat direct game (and “going direct”) to be some sort of tactic to use on women. This is horribly false.

Another good example of how direct game is misunderstood is how people have canned direct openers. Once upon a time I used to guilty of this as well. I used to approach women and be authentic and tell them exactly what I felt about them in that moment. It was authentic and real, never planned. 100% authentic feelings. Then, in order to streamline the opening process I came up with a canned “direct” opener. When I did that, opening wasn’t quite the success it used to be, that is, until I reverted back to being pure authentic. And thats what direct game truly is…

Being Authentic and 100% genuine in your intent, thoughts, and actions.

You can be doing direct game even if you open with a situational opener. Opening asking a chick for an opinion can be direct too so long as you actually want her opinion about something. (example: I was watching a debate on CNN at a coffee shop and I looked over and asked a chick which side of the argument she liked best)

Direct game isn’t some tactic you use, direct game is about expressing your true desire and being shameless about it. Its about being authentic and real with both yourself and the woman.

I’ll say it again…

Being direct is about expressing your true desires and being shameless about it.

Thats direct game. Its not a line, its not a tactic. Hope that helps to clear up some of the confusion and misconceptions.

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Guy starts with indirect, gets lots of lays, starts to become cocky

Because all of his interactions go well as he goes under the radar, he gets cocky


Soon he starts to think "did i creep those girls out?", "Do they think im weird, starting random conversations here and there, did my opinion openers come across weird as it wasnt a real question i needed to know?"


This makes no sense. I cant even find anything constructive other than keep your ego in check but isnt that a given?


Direct isnt some magic thing where only the coolest and bravest guys in the world can conjur up and do. . .

hell i could do Direct game if i wanted but i wanna get indirect sorted first.

I'd think you're trolling if i was to be honest

with that^ being said...
Those issues have less to do with direct game and more to do with internal issues such as insecurity.

As for approaching 3000 girls and not getting laid, that usually is more of a by product of being indirect and not going for what you want.

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I've gone completely direct recently, I've been successful with it and prefer it over indirect by a mile. You just have to learn to deal with the odd rejection which is NEVER too harsh from what I've seen.

I think being direct is morally better imo as well, when I look at indirect stuff now it's almost as though it's trying to trick someone into sleeping with you. I mean I can go up to a girl and be all like "heyy.. Blah blah blah, fluff fluff fluff." and never get anything from it. Or I can go up to her and be all like "Hi, you're gorgeous. Just thought I'd get that outta the way" and continue in almost the same way as anyone would. You have that huge instant attraction spike and everything goes better and faster. If she's not interested she'll say right away, and if she is she'll keep talking. Saves time.

I feel bad for guys that spend the whole night talking to one girl and never get anywhere by not being direct enough.

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Now im not talking about ego-check,or insecurity problems,but the big problem is that the huge count of approaches without success you start to feel them.

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Khuram, your talking out your ass again.

A newbie, who is not used to socializing, let alone talking to hotties is gonna fail a shit ton at first regardless of ho he approaches.

Direct, indirect, it doesn't matter. They will still need calibration. I diagree fully with new guys having to stay away from direct as the more direct method is the fastest way to success.

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To add on, for a newbie, going direct is often the best way of learning because instead on wasting time on a chick thats going no where, he will be able to move on to the next one and rack up experience at a faster rate.

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While I do agree with the advice, do a mix of in-direct and direct openings, I do feel that direct is the better of the two. My reasons are this.

An indirect opening would be something like this "Hey do you have the time?" I don't care about the fucking time, I care about getting to know about this person in front of me, and having her know right off the bat that I am interested in getting to know her and why.

Second, whenever I do use an in-direct opening, I feel like I am trapped by the that opening and the conversation goes no where fast. I've always had a better interaction with the girl when I open direct, always.

Third, I am big believer that opening direct builds sexual confidence. For the longest time I had a problem accepting my sexuality. However, me opening Direct has helped, and even my friends have noticed and commented on an over all change in my personality when it comes to sex.

In conclusion: I think telling newbies not to open direct is silly. This whole learning about seduction should be fun. Newbies (Which I include myself) should be trying EVERYTHING, in-direct, direct, having your friends introduce you, night game, day game, text game, phone game, FB game, etc. People should experimenting and find out what works best for them, not "If you are a newbie don't do (Insert some PUA term), because (Some reason that only applies to certain people). The best way to learn is for people to try new things, even if it is a terrible idea, because first hand experience is the best type of experience.

I'm slightly worried about the amount of people saying they get a lot of rejections when going direct. What the hell are you guys saying.

You need to be careful, try to come off as bold, daring and badass. Not rapey.

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My opinion on this, is when you go direct, being honest and genuine is an absolute must. I think the problem with direct is when you get rejected, the girl is directly rejecting you. And if your inner game isn't SOLID, this can cause you to feel insecure about yourself.
If I think a person has solid confidence and knows himself(relatively speaking of course), then direct should always be pursued.

If your in that "unsure" phase, where you don't why girls like you, blah blah blah, then go indirect. By going indirect the girl indirectly rejects you, so its as bad.

My goal with anybody that I teach, is to always bridge the gap between indirect to direct.

Life should be lived directly, as a result your actions should always be direct.

Hope that helps,

Sam

direct prob. won't work for ugly guys...in daygame.

I've done it with no success but its not because i'm ugly, there were other external factors.

Ineffectiveness isn't the reason why i dislike it though. I'll explain in a bit more detail:

1) I think its a poor substitute for going after what u what/escalating and etc.
-there are better verbal and non-verbal ways to show interest than walking up saying i thought u were cute so i wanted to talk to u

2)look like a creep/horndog-unless done in a very charming way. Again if u can talk in a charming way and escalate-u can easily put indirect to good use.

alternatives-the same old MM A3.(yeah i can hear all the boo's) -start with indirect then show interest. Can be in a direct way. Can be in a push pull way (the rsd's "(insert compliment) see what you're doing to me? its all your fault-in a playfull way)-is my favorite.

Concerning dishonesty-you don't have to lie. You can always say that u find her attractive. You can confess to switch topic as well.

But there are certainly advantages main one being getting you out of your comfort zone.

Also...p.s. indirect doesn't work for many, not because its ineffective, but because they cherry-pick wuss parts and excuses and don't do the harder parts of it(e.g. escalation, or showing interest)

also remember...even mystery didn't spend more than couple minutes on attraction phase-consequently he showed interest in the girl in those first minutes

-(not a Mystery fan boy but not a fan boy of any other method either.)

This isn't direct this is just "dumb as" and actually quite immature. "Do I look gay?" As an opener? C'mon have some more sense and pride than that. If that is what gets you shits and giggles that's fine.
No, not if they listen to your self-limiting paradigms Mr.Smiley, no they want. It doesn't even work for you and you "profess" not to be ugly . That should tell us a lot about how seriously we should take your statements from now on.

1)I didn't say go say you're gay.
2)I couldn't care less about your opinion on my credibility, let alone my looks.
3)Go out in field and do it in daytime(if you're ugly)-try it. See for yourself.

Go direct especially for noobies.

Why?

Saves time. Spending all this time thinking that you have a chance with the girl 30 minutes, she says she has a bf, regardless of whether she had one or not, you've just wasted 30 minutes.

Going in direct at can save you that 30 minutes, show your intent, she says she has a boyfriend, maybe she actually does, doesn't matter. If you're looking for a SNL, time is pretty important.

People think that you can just create attraction even from the most stubborn of girls. I think you're better off gaming a girl who already has initial attraction. Saves you time, can be more enjoyable and easier to game.

Although direct game might ruin the "chase" part of gaming which some pua's love, it weeds out the time wasters.

The only reason people encourage indirect game is because they are afraid of rejection. Rejection is rejection, who cares? Your going to get rejected thousands of times in your life, better to just learn how to deal with it earlier on.