I've been trying to work on direct game lately and I have had good results. The thing is, I find it so much easier to open indirectly, then switch to direct real quick. I'll ask them something real quick, and then afterwards I'll say (in a confident manner) that the initial question was just a ploy because I thought they were really hot or whatever. I've had three numbers with that method and it's given me the confidence to open like Sasha now

This is what I found when I started opening direct. At first I thought I was making headway, some girls would show interest initially and I might get into a convo, but then after a while I realised "holy carp I've opened 30 girls direct and I haven't F-closed a single one yet". And even now I still open direct (when I'm felling lazy) but still haven't F-closed off a direct opener.

That's why I open indirect then go direct as soon as an opportunity presents itself (or 5 minutes, whatever happens first) because it has worked infinitely better.

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I go for indirectly direct.

Verbally indirect, physically direct. Immediate verbal directness is creepy and lame and it bores the shit out of me personally anyway. Saying nothing and just feeling her up is equally creepy and lame. Pure verbal indirectness will get you friendzoned faster than you can say "So what do you do?". Having a boring-ass conversation while making sure she knows what you are about is good.

As I explained in my post before

DIRECT DOES NOT MEAN TELLING GIRLS "YOU WANNA FUCK?"

Indirect = HIDING the intent of your interaction, pretending you're NOT hitting on them, and waiting to give them a compliment until you have "displayed higher value" and "built attraction."

e.g. "Hey guys, I have to get back to my friends in a sec but I wanted to get a female opinion on something..."


Direct = Making it clear to girls about the INTENT behind your interaction, being honest that you're hitting on them, and giving them an honest compliment from an assumed position of higher value and attraction.

e.g. "Hey, don't take this the wrong way, but you look amazing and I wanted to come meet you. What's your name?"

-> The point about being direct is that you're clear that you're hitting on her, and then you phrase the opener and continue the conversation based around whatever you want to get out of it. For me, I like to have multiple long term relationships, so I actually want to get to know the girl and see if she's cool over a date or two before I'll actually have sex with her, so I approach her with that frame - I'm interested, and now I want to find out more.

If all you want is casual sex, then coming in with a more sexual frame, for example "hey, you look fucking sexy, what's your name?" with strong eye contact, etc is fine. But I would urge guys to not specifically tell a girl you want to fuck her immediately. Most women, even if they might be interested in having sex with you at some point in the future, are programmed by society to HAVE to say "no" if you actually ask for sex. You can still be VERY sexual, from body language and eye contact and voice tonality to rapid physical escalation, but when it comes to verbalising things, actually making her make that decision that sex is going to happen is a TERRIBLE idea.

The most direct person I know is Alan Roger Currie, author of "Mode One," which has been a great inspiration to me and is a great book for most guys who are afraid of being sexual and being direct. Even his hardcore x-rated mode one openers do not actually tell the girl "let's go have sex now." What he does is basically dirty-talk the girl by telling her what he's imagining, i.e. his fantasies. This gets her to imagine sex in her mind. But not even he would say "let's go fuck now," because he knows it doesn't work!

A "semi-direct" opener is probably something like what Yad from daygame.com does - he says "you look really nice," which could just be a nice guy complimenting her, and it could be him hitting on her, and she might not be sure. Since it's starting with a compliment it's kinda direct, but because his full intent is not being expressed, it's semi-direct in my opinion.

Indirect-direct is being direct with all your subcommunication but indirect with your words. This is useful if her peer group is around her, in high-end venues (e.g. a champagne reception in a hotel ballroom) where sexual conversation (let alone escalation!) would be inappropriate.

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Good Post. Makes sense

Great post Ryan.

Couldn't have explain it any better Ryan.

Well Ryan I never doubted your method for a second, don't get me wrong. Just saying that there seems to be a massive grey area between direct and indirect.

Anyway I'm gonna give direct another go. Better work this time because like I said the first 100 I opened I got nowhere with, no F-close, not even a K-close, actually I don't think I even number closed any of them. Then I'd go "fuck this" and open a girl indirect, bang number close straight away.

But I WILL give direct another red hot go because believe me I would LOVE to have it work for me.

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Just a thought, and kind of playing devils advocate here, because I'm a huge fan of direct or conversational/social opening. But perhaps the reason that Mystery and his form of rigid opinion based indirect opening came to dominate the community so much in the early to mid 2000s and still resonate so strongly today is because they are very helpful for people with no physical presence and social intelligence.

And by physical presence I don't mean just looks but also social status, body language, fashion, friends, and so many other little things that people with more game and social awareness.

I wonder if for people who have spent most of their life playing computer games and very little understanding of the fairer sex, perhaps these indirect openers help them get 5 minutes talking to a girl when they wouldn't have had any, and they might be no more likely to pick her up, but they could learn a lot about how to talk to women if they get 5 minutes every time they start up a conversation.

Once again, Direct all the way for me, and I do think it is a far better method for well socially calibrated people and certainly for anyone good looking. Thoughts?

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That's a big call, you realise that don't you.
You're implying that if a guy can't successfully open direct he MUST be a computer nerd with no understanding of the "fairer" sex. I've been with 50 women in my life and none of them were off the back off a direct opener.
Good looking, yes definitely agree. Sure confidence matters too but confidence only goes so far, ESPECIALLY when opening direct.

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I'm really not implying that people have to be poorly calibrated to use indirect, I'm saying that for people like that it's probably an easier path to start your journey on. And I'm in no way saying that it's the only path, or that the best looking most successful guy on earth couldn't go indirect.

And yeh, It's a huge call, and one I'm not really able to make or put any guarantee behind, it's simply a potential observation. I'm not even fully convinced myself.

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I actualy totally agree. Not that indirect CAN'T work or that ONLY socially awkward people use it, but because it hides intent (going in "under the radar") and therefore allows a guy a good 5-30 minutes of interaction time with a girl before he will even try to isolate her, escalate and set himself up for possible rejection, it will appeal to those who previously might be intimated by women and unused to getting positive reactions / conversing with them in general. The indirect community as a whole generally sell the myth of the MPUA who closes 5/5 approaches and the system that guarantees the "rejectionless opener."

This mentality shows in the guy who complians direct doesn't "work." Being direct is not a system that even pretends to guarantee a 100% success rate. There is no such thing. Direct is about being unapologetically honest and upfront about your true intentions in taking to a woman. You are asking from the very beginning "if you would never be interested in me now, please blow me out and save us both 25 minutes of attraction building routines before you eventually politely excuse yourself." The POINT is to immediately sort through women that aren't interested quickly so you can focus on those who are - whilst making sure they're as attracted as possible from the instant you open by your bold and confident attitude.

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