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Being direct the right way will actually create a massive attraction spike in any girl that would ever be interested, plus if they're not they'll tell you right away AND still respect you and likely thank you for being honest, to the point and confident.
Yes that's the theory, I get why direct openers are SUPPOSE to work, but like I said I've NEVER F-closed off a direct opener. So that's why I come on here and say, hey this opening direct stuff, yea sounds good on paper, didn't work in practice but.

Believe me I would have LOVED if direct openers had worked for me, it sounded so awesome and straight forward. But after countless attempts, I was still yet to F-close off it. Then I'd go open a few girls indirect and boom, F-close!!!

I would really need to see it work in practice (not a pretty boy) before I could truly believe the hype. And I would LOVE to see it work.

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If you aren't that worried about value then why need to build it? But when it comes to direct game if you don't come in with a strong position then of course you need to build it up as the girl will see this. As JS mention in his post, direct game is not easy. You need a dominate sexual frame to really make direct game work, which ain't easy to do among other things. And I bet this is why the guys here that have tired it have failed. Most guys think direct game is simply walking up to a girl and telling her you want to fuck her, but they failed to realize there is more to it.
OK lets just cut to the chase. Anyone here consider themselves looks-wise below 8/10 and consistently pick up HB8's and above using purely direct game???
Me!

There's so many misconceptions surrounding Direct vs Indirect on here that I definitely want to take some time to go through some of them.

(1) Indirect allows you to "build attraction" before you escalate / get her number, Direct will only work if she's already attracted.

FALSE: If she would never be interested, then no amount of attraction building routines will do anything other than extend your interaction by 30 minutes until you receive the inevitable "I have a boyfriend." Being direct the right way will actually create a massive attraction spike in any girl that would ever be interested, plus if they're not they'll tell you right away AND still respect you and likely thank you for being honest, to the point and confident.
(2) Telling her she's hot right off the bat "puts her on a pedestal" / "gives her all the power" / "seems needy"

FALSE: If you come from the old indirect MM3 mindset, then the girl starts higher than you and you have to knock her down a few pegs and boost yourself up with some DHVs before it's ok to hit on her. Direct ASSUMES higher value, and ASSUMES attraction. You're coming from a higher position and giving a 'high value compliment' basically "hey, you look pretty good, now I wanna find out more about you" NOT "OMG you're so hot please please stop and let me talk to you please!"


(3) Direct only works if you're very attractive / you're getting her to make a snap judgement purely based on looks

FALSE: Direct works because it's powerful, honest and confident - and confidence is one of THE main attraction factors for women. Guys who are average looking or worse can be direct and get results from it.


(4) Direct is essentially saying "wanna fuck?" It may work on a small percentage of girls who are probably sluts / have low self esteem/

FALSE: If you see a solid 9, it's almost ABSURD to begin the conversation any other way apart from acknowledging the real reason why you're talking to her! She already knows, and the few guys that do have the balls to start a conversation with her are usually so indirect she HATES it - they beat around the bush, try to curry favour with her, and hope that they'll be able to get into her pants eventually. A truly high self-esteem, high value, attractive woman is the BEST person to be direct with, because they will be able to take the compliment without thinking you're bullshitting them or getting overwhelmed, and they will so appreciate the refreshing honesty.

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OK lets just cut to the chase. Anyone here consider themselves looks-wise below 8/10 and consistently pick up HB8's and above using purely direct game???
Me!

There's so many misconceptions surrounding Direct vs Indirect on here that I definitely want to take some time to go through some of them.

(1) Indirect allows you to "build attraction" before you escalate / get her number, Direct will only work if she's already attracted.

FALSE: If she would never be interested, then no amount of attraction building routines will do anything other than extend your interaction by 30 minutes until you receive the inevitable "I have a boyfriend." Being direct the right way will actually create a massive attraction spike in any girl that would ever be interested, plus if they're not they'll tell you right away AND still respect you and likely thank you for being honest, to the point and confident.
(2) Telling her she's hot right off the bat "puts her on a pedestal" / "gives her all the power" / "seems needy"

FALSE: If you come from the old indirect MM3 mindset, then the girl starts higher than you and you have to knock her down a few pegs and boost yourself up with some DHVs before it's ok to hit on her. Direct ASSUMES higher value, and ASSUMES attraction. You're coming from a higher position and giving a 'high value compliment' basically "hey, you look pretty good, now I wanna find out more about you" NOT "OMG you're so hot please please stop and let me talk to you please!"


(3) Direct only works if you're very attractive / you're getting her to make a snap judgement purely based on looks

FALSE: Direct works because it's powerful, honest and confident - and confidence is one of THE main attraction factors for women. Guys who are average looking or worse can be direct and get results from it.


(4) Direct is essentially saying "wanna fuck?" It may work on a small percentage of girls who are probably sluts / have low self esteem/

FALSE: If you see a solid 9, it's almost ABSURD to begin the conversation any other way apart from acknowledging the real reason why you're talking to her! She already knows, and the few guys that do have the balls to start a conversation with her are usually so indirect she HATES it - they beat around the bush, try to curry favour with her, and hope that they'll be able to get into her pants eventually. A truly high self-esteem, high value, attractive woman is the BEST person to be direct with, because they will be able to take the compliment without thinking you're bullshitting them or getting overwhelmed, and they will so appreciate the refreshing honesty.
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I would really need to see it work in practice (not a pretty boy) before I could truly believe the hype. And I would LOVE to see it work.
Check out my video http://sashapua.com/about/ below Sasha's on that page. You have two similar examples of a simple direct opener. It's the only way I've opened for over a year, and every single lay I've had since then has been down to direct game - it absolutely works! And I don't consider myself particularly attractive.

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I don't speak from a position of experience, but I'd like to throw my 50 cent down.

I think as a wannabe PUA, it is much more efficient and quicker to go direct. as you're basically throwing the ball into her court and letting here decide whether you are worthy or not. You are bound to be rejected 90% of the time, but the few that accept are bound to be solid as they made the conscious decision of accepting you. Furthermore, if you are good looking and carry yourself like a don, your rejection rate is likely to be lower. Having said that, this is an all-or-nothing approach which does little in improving your game.

My qualm with the indirect game is that it's too long winded. You have to memorise and calibrate routines and so on, to get her to like you before you go for the punch. I think it is a better and more calculated approach than direct game, and a method which I generally do tend to utilise. However, unless you are very adept at transitioning from being indirect to direct without coming off weird, it's a difficult transition to make. Unlike direct game, being able to go from indirect to direct requires a tight game, and it is maybe better to utilise this method if you are to improve.

Lastly, if you're afraid that a direct approach is going to put her on a pedestal, I've got the perfect opener. "Hey, you're sexy and I'm sexier, so why aren't we talking?"


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I don't speak from a position of experience, but I'd like to throw my 50 cent down.

I think as a wannabe PUA, it is much more efficient and quicker to go direct. as you're basically throwing the ball into her court and letting here decide whether you are worthy or not. You are bound to be rejected 90% of the time, but the few that accept are bound to be solid as they made the conscious decision of accepting you. Furthermore, if you are good looking and carry yourself like a don, your rejection rate is likely to be lower. Having said that, this is an all-or-nothing approach which does little in improving your game.

My qualm with the indirect game is that it's too long winded. You have to memorise and calibrate routines and so on, to get her to like you before you go for the punch. I think it is a better and more calculated approach than direct game, and a method which I generally do tend to utilise. However, unless you are very adept at transitioning from being indirect to direct without coming off weird, it's a difficult transition to make. Unlike direct game, being able to go from indirect to direct requires a tight game, and it is maybe better to utilise this method if you are to improve.

Lastly, if you're afraid that a direct approach is going to put her on a pedestal, I've got the perfect opener. "Hey, you're sexy and I'm sexier, so why aren't we talking?"
Wrong mindset brah.
Why would a hot chick not accept a genuine compliment? Your not put the ball in her court, you can walk away whenever you want. Going indirect can take ages, when you find out she actually was never going to be interested. Going direct saves you a lot of time.

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IMO direct openers rely on your attractiveness in relation to the girl you are trying to sex.


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IMO direct openers rely on your attractiveness in relation to the girl you are trying to sex.
Wrong. Read my post!

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am i good looking enough to go for direct game?

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Ryan, it's amazing how much your avatar looks like you! Plus, you seem to have a thing for the old inter-racial relationships don't you :wink:

Anyway, I digress. I think i'm going to try and start playing things a bit more direct, purely cause I think it must be so refreshing for a girl to have someone who isn't beating around the bush. I'd probably rate myself a 6.5/7, and that might be why i've held back in the past, but there really is no point, you only live once after all!

If I knew how to upload a picture i'd do it..

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am i good looking enough to go for direct game?

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dude, you look like Jason Derullo. (im not being racist btw)
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dude, you look like Jason Derullo. (im not being racist btw)
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How do you know? lol ..

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Hahaha you called my bluff. You bastard.

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I aint no expert but I saw your video Ryan and, in my interpretation, that is hardly a direct opener. In my view that is about as indirect as a direct opener gets. To me a direct opener is essentially "wanna fuck", but your opener is more "you're hot" but you're not actually saying you want to fuck them. Indirect openers basically imply you want to fuck them without actually saying it (which everyone says is the flaw of indirect), your opener imply's you want to fuck them without actually saying it aswell, you merely come slightly closer to implying it, but at the end of the day it's still implied.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it doesn't work, all I'm saying is you're really stretching the definition of "direct opener" (IMO)... In fact I'd go as far as saying that you're opener is technically indirect. You open these girls to F-close them, but if the opener doesn't have a F-close element to it, then how could it possibly be a direct opener? You are direct about finder her attractive, but her grandmother says that to her aswell, but you are NOT direct about wanting to fuck her, so therefore it's technically indirect.

If there's such thing as semi-direct, then this is it.

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