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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:39 am 
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so Friday night cubing with my friends. 4 guys 3 girls. one of the girls got a beef with me. so she cock blocks.

MY GOAL FOR TO NIGHT OPEN 5 SETS

before the club.

1. open a 1 set which was walking on the street to get over the aa. opened with hi hows your day n go in to small talk. my friend she cock block me with babe babe!

2. 3 set opened with " hi guys i need your opinion on some think would u read your boy friends text messages?" fucked up the story line.

walked around

3. 3 set that was on chilling at the wall with. "i need your opinion on something, im thinking about quitting my job and become a mime.

Her: nice pick up line

Me: sorry your not that hot to be picked up

her: ask someone els

i jump to the closest group of girls that was dancing

music was loud

4. 3 set dancing "i need your opinion on something
im thinking about quitting my job and become a mime. repeated it about 3x
cuz of the pumping music.

her: no don't quit Ur job

me: if u c me on the street doing my think will u put a dollar in my hat?

her: sure!

me: ok its nice meeting u

walked around

5. 3 set talking by them self. hi do u want to know an interesting fact?

one of the girls: what is it

me: did u know that 97% of women masterbate in the shower, and the other 7% sing

her: what u said that 97% dosent add up

me: *fuck!!*

her where did u get that fact?

me: me abs

her: nice try

me: its nice trying to get to know u

walked around.

6. open 2 set with " hey guys whats your take on dolphins

no words just rejection

self review

i was shitting myself too much
learn opener!!!
stay clam!!!
smile :D

questions:
what should i do after i done my opener go on to another open?
whats transition? and when should i do it?
any exercise to get over my nervousness?
what should be my next goal? ( i'am thinking of open 5 set properly lol)
What should i do if i opened a mix set?
any tips other tips


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:00 pm 
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hey man, don't try to do too much at once, concentrate on delivering your opinion opener on easier sets such as a 2 set in the smoking area or a 3 set standing in a bar not dancing. Then attempt to transition.

Ok so walk past a 2 set then turn and delivery the start of your opinion opener, 'Hey, i need a quick opinion...', but don't turn to face them too much, almost as if you are looking at them over your shoulder.

Then delivery the second part 'me and my friend have been aruging about this all day, what to guys think', then get their reponses.

The throw in your non- verbal FTC 'i've got to get back to my friends in a second, but the reason i asked...' and 'root' the opinion with an interesting story. (Can be facing them with your body now)

After that transition by spontaneous noticing something about them 'are you guys good friends' (they repond), 'I can tell. You keep making the exact.. same.... facial expressions'. Or commenting on them such as, 'you guys look like students'.

Practice your opener, backstory and transition (delivery is key), then focus on the non verbal elements such as a loud voice, smiling and opening over the shoulder, then 'rewarding' them with your attention by turning to face them.

Hope this helps, and if you open a mixed set, look at the guys more as you are opening, and respect them in set.


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Work on your inner game - i.e. confidence, the reason your openers are crashing and burning is because you are still extremely anxious when you approach - messing up your tonality, delivery and making you stutter. However, the fact that you are not so anxious you cannot approach is a good sign.
ALL anxiety is caused by two factors:
- Low confidence
- Fear

This is exactly why we never get nervous in situations we are familiar in and we are confident in. Tackle these two issues in the two ways outlined below:

- Raise confidence: going to the gym, acting with a set of principles i.e. standing for something, getting skills e.g. playing the guitar, football, rugby, could be anything.
- We fear the unknown: continue to sarge and you will find yourself more and more familiar and comfortable in those situations - before you know it, your approach anxiety will be gone.


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hey man, don't try to do too much at once, concentrate on delivering your opinion opener on easier sets such as a 2 set in the smoking area or a 3 set standing in a bar not dancing. Then attempt to transition.

Ok so walk past a 2 set then turn and delivery the start of your opinion opener, 'Hey, i need a quick opinion...', but don't turn to face them too much, almost as if you are looking at them over your shoulder.

Then delivery the second part 'me and my friend have been aruging about this all day, what to guys think', then get their reponses.

The throw in your non- verbal FTC 'i've got to get back to my friends in a second, but the reason i asked...' and 'root' the opinion with an interesting story. (Can be facing them with your body now)

After that transition by spontaneous noticing something about them 'are you guys good friends' (they repond), 'I can tell. You keep making the exact.. same.... facial expressions'. Or commenting on them such as, 'you guys look like students'.

Practice your opener, backstory and transition (delivery is key), then focus on the non verbal elements such as a loud voice, smiling and opening over the shoulder, then 'rewarding' them with your attention by turning to face them.

Hope this helps, and if you open a mixed set, look at the guys more as you are opening, and respect them in set.


thank you SUB ZERO J010
ok so my opener can be like this

side turn to 2 set.
Hey guys i need a quick opinion on something. i only have a min.

body full facing them.
would you every go through you boy friend messages if you thought that he was cheating?

if its a 2 set i would have to jump eye contact (look at hb no1 then hb no2)
what if i find myself talking more to the one girl? n her friend gets left out?
should i let them both answer the question?

ok to recap its opener --> transition than?


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Work on your inner game - i.e. confidence, the reason your openers are crashing and burning is because you are still extremely anxious when you approach - messing up your tonality, delivery and making you stutter. However, the fact that you are not so anxious you cannot approach is a good sign.
ALL anxiety is caused by two factors:
- Low confidence
- Fear

This is exactly why we never get nervous in situations we are familiar in and we are confident in. Tackle these two issues in the two ways outlined below:

- Raise confidence: going to the gym, acting with a set of principles i.e. standing for something, getting skills e.g. playing the guitar, football, rugby, could be anything.
- We fear the unknown: continue to sarge and you will find yourself more and more familiar and comfortable in those situations - before you know it, your approach anxiety will be gone.
thank you

do u recommend any exercises to over come this issue

i was thinking of approach and have a conversation with no intention of getting result e.g. asking an old lady how was her day


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I respect Ch1mera's good advice, but just work on your outer game (the actual pua techniques) for now, and you will start to gain more confidence.

The first line should be 'hey guys, i need to a quick opinion' (over the shoulder)

Then the next line 'would you...' (still not facing them with your body)

Then turn and face them and deliver your FTC e.g. 'i've gotta get back to my friends in a second, the reason i asked... (insert background story).

Then use a transition, 'are you guys good friends...' spontaneous delivery is key here.

After your transition, you should be in a normal conversation with them and are free to game.

I feel that the non- verbal elements in opening are more important, smile, have a loud voice and an energy level slightly above theirs.

In regards to eye contact, share it equally around the set, you could even give the obstacles (guys and less attractive girls) more. Their responses don't really matter in opening, just listen to them and then carry on with your material. When you have fully opened the set, you may want to talk to the obstacles more to start off with.


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