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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:08 am 
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Thanks alot men..
I guess I just have the bad luck of falling for this girl, as she's the type of girl that requires a lot of work..

She will probably text me back during the week, or we'll somehow get over the drama. I don't think she can forget a guy who relates to everything she's experienced.
At least now she has a better idea of my intentions and I will escalate physically the next time I'm alone with her.


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my response was predicated on the belief that you don't want her as a friend, so it was the "blow me or get blown out approach" + moxi.

if you really want her as a friend then do what others suggest. If you want her as more then a friend your odds are low, so go caveman.


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go find another girl, nothing is special about this one, she obviously isn't into you,
you are hooked on her for the way she looks, and not because you actually like her, you just like the way she looks, if you had any other reason you wouldn't put up with being treated like this so that she would give you time

next time do better, don't be judgemental, don't insult the next girl or be rude (I would assume this is what happened from her subtext)

there is a difference between cocky funny, and cocky asshole, don't cross the line into the 2nd

there is also a time and place for negs, and if you do not understand this time and this place, better to not use them at all, as well negs are not insults, they seem like half assed compliments (the really harsh ones are like insults with a happy ending)


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go find another girl, nothing is special about this one, she obviously isn't into you,
you are hooked on her for the way she looks, and not because you actually like her, you just like the way she looks, if you had any other reason you wouldn't put up with being treated like this so that she would give you time

next time do better, don't be judgemental, don't insult the next girl or be rude (I would assume this is what happened from her subtext)

there is a difference between cocky funny, and cocky asshole, don't cross the line into the 2nd

there is also a time and place for negs, and if you do not understand this time and this place, better to not use them at all, as well negs are not insults, they seem like half assed compliments (the really harsh ones are like insults with a happy ending)
Please read the entire thing before making assumptions.

1. This was done on purpose
2. i can care less about her looks
3. I'm happy with the outcome, because that's what I wanted


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I have known this girl for 3 weeks now. And she thinks, exactly like me, she has the same goals and values that I have.
Needless to say that we enjoy each other's company. She gives constant IOI's, but flaked on 2 dates already. these two things don't go hand in hand, the correct term is 'YOU' enjoy her time, girls don't flake on guys they care about, unless something seriously serious comes up, but they do show false interest for validation and ego boosts as well as to protect guys egos so they don't become reactive chodes
1 week passed since she flaked on our date, and she now keeps texting me, and replying my messages within seconds. (I take about 30mins, sometimes 5 hours to reply her texts - DHV, (actually DLV, being an asshole that doesn't add value will not DHV you, however this does work for your favor in the needy department, but if she is contacting you and not the other way around that is already covered).
There is no question to the fact that I have used every single line+technique on this girl (I am not a newbie when it comes to game), but she seems to be sending mixed signals (no she doesn't she has clearly stated she is not interested in you, and also flakes on you, but she is a friendly person), not buying most of my approaches. She is very smart socially, and judging by her looks, and personality, she has had a lot of experience with players.

The question is: Should I keep talking to her about the things we have in common (basically everything so far)? or should I direct our conversation towards something flirty and romantic? Is it a bad thing to have too much rapport in a relationship? YOU HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS GIRL

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I texted her a few mins ago, in the intention of creating some drama.. Basically tried to bring in some emotions out of her. She didnt take it very well, and started cursing through text (note: all her replies to me ever since i've known her have been within seconds..).

Whether or not she hates me now.. at least i've soften whatever friendship relationship was going on. Which i like.. rather have a girl of her quality hate me, than being just a friend to her.

These were the last texts:

Her: Think whatever the fuck you want, you don't know me
subtext = you have not shown an interest in her personality or at least she has not felt any emotional connection or revealed anything import about herself to you from her perspective

Me: Who's this? (tried to play it off like i forgot her already)
you are being reactive to her being reactive

Her: ?
she knows you're being reactive and know who it is she is not stupid

Her: And I am not interested in you at all for the record so stop acting like it. Also, I don't appreciate being judged off the bat. Go make some "fun" girl friends who crack lame jokes and get wasted if i'm such a bore. (She obviously has great pride in the fact that she is quality)
subtext = I know you like me stop being retarded, I don't like you, you did something to piss me off, chances are acted cocky with a subtext that suggested I was a boring lame person, who you didn't even try to actually connect with and get to know when I gave you a chance, I am sensitive and now butt-hurt also, go find someone else cause im not down

your subtext here is she is good looking
Me: Word
to her this = agreed

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Don't get needy, don't expect anything, talk to other girls, try to actually take note of the things they say to you, and listen and respond, some ASD related things are bullshit, but everything that comes out of their mouth, is not bullshit, if you have known this girl longer then two weeks, and have not at least made out with her, this is seriously game over

abundance, if you work hard you will find a better looking chick, who is cooler, and also attracted to you, she will suck your dick on the reg bra, stop wasting your time with this stupid shit and spend it quickly approaching new girls and telling them what you are after and not dealing with their shit or being rude for no reason, they will respect you more for it, if they don't get with the program, you get a new program and say, NEXT, then after a while you won't need tactics, you just automatically do all these things naturally due to abundance, would you waste your time insulting a girl to get her to like you if you had 10 other girls? or would you just ignore her and show her less interest because she was being a pain in the ass?

after a while girls smell this off of you, and you all of a sudden have girls approaching you, don't fake it, just make it


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:20 pm 
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You are half true.
However, I am 100% sure she wasn't just being nice all along, and there was attraction.
If a girl asks you to call her all the time for no reason, of course shes attracted, or if she cant take her eyes off you, of course she's into you.

I should have added more details.. but didn't feel the need to write walls of texts.

But yes, you are right on the fact that I should just move on, and not get stuck on this one girl.


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You are half true.
However, I am 100% sure she wasn't just being nice all along, and there was attraction.
1)If a girl asks you to call her all the time for no reason, of course shes attracted, or if she cant take her eyes off you, of course she's into you.

I should have added more details.. but didn't feel the need to write walls of texts.

But yes, you are right on the fact that I should just move on, and not get stuck on this one girl.
1)SHIT TEST ~ falls under that section I mentioned of girls that want validation, don't give it to them, they get it, lose interest and move on, no challenge

you become her 'do stuff for me' guy, eventually it is OMG this stalker blah blah blah, call me in 2 seconds I need your help (you call her to help, but it is such a stupid pointless menial task, why would you?, what has she done for you?, chances are she is on the other end of the phone, tooling you with her girlfriends, talking about what a good little bitch you are, and how she has a vast army of little good boy minions that will do what ever she says, and she doesn't even put out, they buy her shit, then do stuff for her, they are her 'do stuff for me' guys

but dude, you are blinded by your emotional investment into a girl that is not emotionally invested in you, if she was attracted she would be trying to meet you, trying to get you to hang out, not call, she would be asking for your dick in her mouth, sending you naked pictures, not giving you a teehee arm touch and a hair flick, then flaking on your ass and being rude to you giving you the I'M NOT INTERESTED IN YOU speech


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Pump i agree with about 75% of what your saying but give the kid a fucking break. Im pretty much a tough love, hit it and quit it, type guy as well but your making me look like Dr. Phil. Jeez.


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I half agree with what these guys are saying. I mean it is true that you proly fucked up a bit with the texts and should just move on but I mean where Pumpington said:
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chances are she is on the other end of the phone, tooling you with her girlfriends, talking about what a good little bitch you are, and how she has a vast army of little good boy minions that will do what ever she says, and she doesn't even put out, they buy her shit, then do stuff for her, they are her 'do stuff for me' guys
I really hope that's a joke. I mean, girls can be real bitches I know but out of all the girls I've ever met I've never met one that pulled shit like that. Just because she's not a complete slut right away doesn't mean she's not interested. There's been quite a few girls that have had me do a lot of meaningless, pointless tasks, and that went on for a while but it all wrapped itself up quite nicely with anywhere between a makeout session to a friends with benefits deal that lasted for months. All guys wish it were as simple as "She's not sending me naked pics, she must not be interested," like pumpington said here:
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she would be asking for your dick in her mouth, sending you naked pictures
But it's not that simple. Some girls actually require work. Some girls are, and you're going to be amazed by this, NOT SLUTS (a preposterous suggestion I know, but it turns out that it's true in a lot of cases.) John101 it's all about how much effort you're willing to put into getting her.

To figure out what to do, there's a very simple thing you need to figure out: Priorities. If you're going for a long term girlfriend, or you want to at least save the friendship then you should try and fix this. However if you're just going for a fuck buddy or a one night stand then move on, there's plenty of girls out there.


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Exactly what i was thinking...
I mean I've been studying the game for 3 years now, so I have a pretty good understanding on my inner game and how to read certain girls.. The fact is this girl has dealt with a lot of players, she is very mature, and doesn't like to play games because she has a lot of things in her life that come before playful communication.

@Pump: I agree to 30% of your statements, but you are taking things to the extreme when saying "she would ask for your dick if she was interested"...

@Tromz: Ye man, this girl is "totally" not the slut type of girl, and she knows of all my tricks.. Her studies come before anything else, and there are a lot of things that made her bitter towards a lot of guys.

And "no", I did not do a single rocky mistake with her so far.. She always tries to get me involved into text convos, she's not into playful talk, but rather 'mature' talk. Our text convos were basically based on how many things we have in common, and she ask me to hang out and I ignored her request (knowing it was a shit test), we did hang out last week, and I got her to pay for her own food, since it was her idea of meeting up. So no, I did not do any rocky mistake so far.. She is just so different compared to average girls, which makes her that much special. Which means I will try to pursue our relationship, but I'm quite certain that inserting drama into the equation and bringing negative/positive emotions out of her was much better than just initiating rapport through every single text message.

Yes she is special, and she will most likely apologize for flipping on me (I'm almost certain of this. And if she doesn't, there are very simple way of making her forget the incident without coming across as needy), and I will also make sure to not have her as a priority, and will move on :)


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These were the last texts:

Her: Think whatever the fuck you want, you don't know me

Me: Who's this? (tried to play it off like i forgot her already)

Her: ?

Her: And I am not interested in you at all for the record so stop acting like it. Also, I don't appreciate being judged off the bat. Go make some "fun" girl friends who crack lame jokes and get wasted if i'm such a bore. (She obviously has great pride in the fact that she is quality)

Me: Word

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Text her back and say, "I don't mean to call you boring. Really I like you a lot and I'm trying to impress you by putting you down. I'm not very good at it as you can tell. LOL. But seriously I think your great, and I would be a lucky guy if I had you in my life. I'm sorry I judged you and put you into a box. I don't really know you that well. I have a problem judging people and I'm working on it."

After you tell her all that you will break the stupid pedestal you have her on. And you probably won't even want her anymore. If you do still want her, she will coming running into your arms. Please stop being negative, and stop putting her down to cover up your own insecurities.

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this is all relative, first of all,

has been over two weeks, have you made out with her?

has she kissed you back? (cheek doesn't count)

have you had sex with her?

ok, now if the answer is no to all three of these questions, lets move on to the next section of questions

next let me take a few guesses,

she is HB8+, (looks are subjective so we will say most guys would score her at the very least hb7)

she is between the ages of 16-24?

she talks to alot of guys/has alot of male friends?

she was the first to escalate the situation, by either touching you, or declaring some sort of interest (ie. giving you a compliment or saying something nice about you) / she is a flirty girl?

when ever faced with some sort of issue that could cause you to stop paying attention to her, she will deny what she has done, to cause this issue to arise?

if the answer is yes to all of the above questions, let me know and continue to read!

she will keep hitting you up, contacting you, she will show some interest and attempt to get you to reciprocate/buy into her frame of flirting or sexting, next thing, if you get direct with her, and the answer is no, she will do everything she can to not lose your interest, she will come up with excuses, she will apologize, she will try to guage what sort of emotional effect she has on you, by saying things like

I like you alot, but blah blah blah excuse for not hanging out,

sorry, please i dont want you to be upset with me etc.

when she feels comfortable and complacent she will take little cheap shots at you, and ask you to do things for her


OK NOW TELL ME HOW MUCH OF THIS I GUESSED CORRECTLY, PLEASE BE HONEST

these types are my favorite types of girls to game, and I already gave you advice specifically tailored to them,

just be direct, take it or leave it, then leave it, don't be needy etc. it is written above, I JUST HATE WHEN GUYS GET MADE INTO ORBITERS BY ATTENTION VAMPIRES BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED, SHE WILL JUST TURN YOU INTO A SHELL OF A MAN, LEADING YOU ON FOREVER


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@ Pump:

The following statements are true about her..

- she is HB8+

- she is 20

- she used to talk to a lot of male friends, but stopped the party SPAM to focus on her career

- she was the first to escalate the situation

- She admitted that she has a lot of fun being around me, and that we should hang out more often

- She's comfortable around me for the most part, and is socially secure

- 2 weeks ago, she told me she has a boyfriend, but I honestly doubt that, judging by the way she acts and since it's not the first time I hear that from girls.

@ Magnum:

Should I really do this? I have a bad experience with confessing my feelings towards girls too soon ..


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You have already lost this girl. You are lifting her up in your mind. She isn't just like you dude. You have only known her for three weeks. I really think you should tell her exactly what I told you to say. Your not confessing your feelings. Your simply being honest in a direct way. Your not confessing anything. Their is nothing wrong with how you feel. She understands you like her because if you didn't then you wouldn't be texting her. She's upset with you because she likes you too, but your so wrapped up in the idea of her that you can't see strait. I of course think you should send the text message, but it's your life.

You must say EXACTLY word for word what I said. Don't let your brain think about it or you will twist my words to make you feel comfortable, and then you will be back starting drama again.

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You have already lost this girl. You are lifting her up in your mind. She isn't just like you dude. You have only known her for three weeks. I really think you should tell her exactly what I told you to say. Your not confessing your feelings. Your simply being honest in a direct way. Your not confessing anything. Their is nothing wrong with how you feel. She understands you like her because if you didn't then you wouldn't be texting her. She's upset with you because she likes you too, but your so wrapped up in the idea of her that you can't see strait. I of course think you should send the text message, but it's your life.

You must say EXACTLY word for word what I said. Don't let your brain think about it or you will twist my words to make you feel comfortable, and then you will be back starting drama for no reason again.
I was thinking of saying something like: " (nickname I gave her) I will be honest with you: This is the first time I meet a girl that reflects my personality.. and I was half shocked to the way we understood each other so well. lol, I wasn't able to handle the situation well, which is why I tried to create some drama by calling you boring.. I genuinely like you a lot, and you do deserve an apology."

That is the exact truth.. I created drama because I didnt know how to handle a girl tht reflects my personality.. so I guess it's best to say that?


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