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Yes I have met a lot of crazy people with friends too. That is not what Im saying.

Im saying that yes, you can suck even with social proof, it is no guarantee that you are awesome.

It is just that if you dont have social proof, you are more likely to be a loser. If you cant even have friends, how can you be an alpha male? There is noone to lead. If nobody likes you, why would a girl like you?
good point, personal question for you. Do you prefer to have a lot of friends or would you rather have meaningful relationships? I prefer the later, I had to kick A LOT of people out of my social circle because I felt like I was the only one contributing any value besides two other people.

I'm just saying that if your awesome, your more likely to have friends. But your dead on with what you say.


I have some good friends and a lot of aquiantances. Why kick anyone out? The ones you decide to hang with are your friends.

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Yes I have met a lot of crazy people with friends too. That is not what Im saying.

Im saying that yes, you can suck even with social proof, it is no guarantee that you are awesome.

It is just that if you dont have social proof, you are more likely to be a loser. If you cant even have friends, how can you be an alpha male? There is noone to lead. If nobody likes you, why would a girl like you?
good point, personal question for you. Do you prefer to have a lot of friends or would you rather have meaningful relationships? I prefer the later, I had to kick A LOT of people out of my social circle because I felt like I was the only one contributing any value besides two other people.

I'm just saying that if your awesome, your more likely to have friends. But your dead on with what you say.


I have some good friends and a lot of acquaintances. Why kick anyone out? The ones you decide to hang with are your friends.
1. felt like I was being fake, I value honesty and loyalty above all else.
2. the more friends you have the more people come to you with their problems which becomes irritating after a period of time. I am personally a person who thinks people need to deal with their stuff on their time, not mine. I don't mind helping every once in a while but when its consistent it tends to being very annoying.
3. Most of the time I had to mediate fights between people who were friends of mine who did not get along with other people who were also friends of mine.
4. People would copy me, which I found irritating because I liked the fact that I was unique. I also worked hard to come up from nothing socially to become part of the in crowd and brought everyone together which was a bad idea i later figured out due to #2.


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Nah, sounds complicated to me...

I just let people come as close as they want. And if I happen to feel like seeing that person at the moment I will. If I wanna see someone in particular, I give them a call.

Apart from that, aquaintances are not fake, they just arent your closest friends. People who share my values and people I can trust are in my inner circle, others stay further away because they arent a priority to me at the moment.

Honesty, reality and simplicity.

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good point, personal question for you. Do you prefer to have a lot of friends or would you rather have meaningful relationships? I prefer the later, I had to kick A LOT of people out of my social circle because I felt like I was the only one contributing any value besides two other people.

I'm just saying that if your awesome, your more likely to have friends. But your dead on with what you say.
Well put. Although I'd say the relationship between how many friends you have and how awesome of a person you are is overrated. The more friends you have, the more like-able you are, but only barely in my experience.

I think social circle game is much more skill based than cold-approach game, which Tyler Durden would say you can just be awesome and pull girls.

You can be a really awesome person, but if you don't have the logistics, resources, and opportunity, you won't have many friends. In my experience, making friends is more about being at the right place at the right time rather than charisma or leadership. Look at college. Then post-college. Most people have way more friends in college than they do after college. It doesn't mean they suddenly become losers after college (people don't change that fast). It just means they have less access and less resources to work with. Obviously, there are people who actively try to work on social circle game (naturals and PUAs alike), but I think most people just accept whatever comes their way (typical human nature).

The fact that most people perceive social proof as an indicator of how awesome a person actually is is flawed. There are really cool people whom I've met, and are surprised that they have like no friends. Then there are douchebags who are always surrounded by other people, even though everyone knows he's a douchebag. Maybe Mystery has some evolutionary biology to explain that phenomena, but in my experience, it's just one of those things that people do. Perhaps they are lazy and don't want to take the time to actually get to know someone. Or maybe they don't want to because they would rather live their lives thinking they are better than everyone else than going out and risk meeting someone more awesome than they.


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Just chime in with a quick observation. Social proof isn't necessarily how many people you have around you, or how many people you know. It can be any number of things. More often than not, the type of person you have around you will help more than the number. If you've got two good looking friends with great fashion sense with you, it will help far more than 50 quiet unfashionable kids looking at their phones to check facebook every five seconds.

Also, how you interact with people when they are near you is a type of social proof. Introducing the girl you're gaming to all the other "Alphas" in the room is a type of social proof. It proves you aren't intimidated by other guys and also you have confidence in yourself and therefore she can have confidence in you.

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Apart from the fact that it shows you're okay to be with, Its the whole 'warm end of the pool' analogy (Blueprint). Basically whoever is in control of the good emotions and vibe is the one where people will want to go to.


Ever been in a cafe or lounge area and a group of people are having an awesome time, not overbearing but just having fun, ever felt like you wished you were over there or if they invited you over. When you're doing nothing that is.


Or if there is hot girls on one side and you are on the other, you wanna go over there because you know they are the source of good emotions (game).

That's why you social proof, also builds state.


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