I've recently went out with a 10. Had a great time and failed to kiss close her. Now apparently she's always busy and doesn't have time for a second date.
I knew she wanted me to kiss her and I didn't because all the pressure just came at me at the last minute so I kissed her only on the cheeks, and I guess she felt abit disappointed.

I find there isn't alot of stuff out there that talk about the actual dates and seduction processes. I was doing kino, I was touching her in a none sexual way a lot. I just failed to transition the indirect kino into a kiss.

And I think that you can't make mistakes with 9's and 10's. I now honestly believe that being too sexual or coming on too strong in person is never a bad thing. She'll just tell you not yet and you build more comfort before trying it again.
Isn't that how it always is??? When was the last time a girl that really liked you suddenly decided to never speak to you because you went for the kiss too early?
It doesn't work like that.

Do you guys agree with me? Is going for the kiss on a first date a must??

I agree. You'll always be forgiven for being more aggressive than not aggressive enough. There's no downside to escalating really, as long as you're not rapey or needy. It shows you have confidence and balls even if she does resist. If you don't escalate she'll just think you're afraid of her.

I agree, you have to escalate with girls. There horny as fuck. They go out on dates to get laid, but as a guy, is your job to escalate.

you are probably right! i was too naive to think girls wanna sit around and talk haha. they want to kiss on the first date and if you dont the feel rejected and they go on dates to get laid! very well said. very true

If your date doesn't at least end with a kiss, consider it a failure, and don't expect a second opportunity. I think this rule was actually carved into the Rosetta Stone thousands of years ago...

Totally agree a billion percent, no kiss on first date = bombed, you fail. Actually I ONLY consider a date a success if I F-close, you MUST MUST MUST go for an F-close on date 1.

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Okay well I didn't know that. I didn't know you must kiss on the 1st date.
I do escalate sometimes too much pushing for a date or a number where I come off as needy abit.
It's just confusing, women are confusing.
Soo.. don't escalate too much on the phone?? And escalate in person? Is that how the game is run?

It's just this girl told me things like "I never went home with a guy I met at a bar"
And "I would never be a stripper"
She said some things that indicated that she was sexual as well but it's just this lines got stuck in my head and told me that SHE'S NOT OPEN MINDED. Even thought later on in the evening we kinda bonded more.
I was just thinking.. Oh so she would never be a stripper, so that means she must be a prude. I dunno was she just trying to not look like a slut?

Then girls wonder why guys don't escalate on them..
Well maybe if you didn't try so hard to prove to me that you're not a slut then I would.. dumbass

In general, on the phone I reckon you're better off being a bit cautious with escalation, you can still do it don't push your luck. In real life it's the opposite, you're better off pushing the limits a bit than being too conservative.
Probably a load of crap.
Always presume she's a slut, always presume she's a slut, always presume she's a slut, always presume..... well you know the rest. Even if they aren't, doesn't matter, run game like she's a slut. Don't take what they say too seriously.
Yea ironic isn't it. Girls say on dates they don't fuck on first dates, but they are thinking "hope he turns me on so we can have sex"

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now that you are aware of ASD start challenging it and dis-arming it,
HER: I WOULD NEVER GO HOME WITH A BLAH BLAH,

YOU: O'RLY? IT REALLY TURNS ME ON WHEN I MEET GIRLS THAT WOULD

HER:I WOULD NEVER BE A STRIPPER

YOU: THAT'S TOO BAD, I LOVE STRIPPERS

expect other asd bullshit like, OH I HATE EVERY GUY IN THE WORLD, I ONLY LIKE YOU, *point to brad pitt, what about him?* her:ahh no his hair is not long enough, but i like yours its cute *you have exact same hair as him*

Yeah man, I don't know what happened. I seduced an 8 at the same spot a week before, but just couldn't do it with the 10. We had build up sexual chemistry at the end and at the last minute before dropping her off I was just thinking how to pull the kiss off and what do I say to make her come home with me. At the end I decided that we CLICKED and I couldn't ruin it by going for the kiss too early, being confident I'll see her again and will put my moves on her next time.
This theory of taking it slow on girls and not rushing your seduction is really something I hate about myself, as I feel it's my natural temperament to let things unfold by themselves and taking things for granted.

I don't know what it is but it's been a month and 1 week now and I'm still missing that girl badly. I went out with 4 other girls meanwhile and I just don't care about them. I don't know but it's been me doing all the paging to this 10 and she never paged me once since the date, but she's been very friendly in her texts calling me hun, says she's got a new job and all I know she's hooking up with other guys. It's just hard to let it go because of how incredibly attractive she is and I also never went out with a girl AS hot as her. I know that the more I peruse her the more I'm chasing he away by giving her value that she doesn't deserve, but I can't stop thinking about her, it's driving me crazy. I guess I gotta burn for a little while to learn my lesson.
I've came up with a plan today to page her in two weeks with one of LoveSystem's text messages saying "Come over, key is in the usual place, buzz when you're downstairs, don't be late" followed by "Oops I thought you were someone else, sorry".. Then my plan is to go for her facebook and atleast have some minimal contact with her. I don't know.. am I over my head on this one or do I still have a shot?

You may take that route if it pleases you, I would more suggest the honest direct route, state exactly what you said in the above post, keep in your mind, that you are not expecting anything from her, but you just want to let her know how you feel, keep that in your mind, communicate it, NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING, JUST TELLING THE TRUTH

get her in some text rapport, something along the lines of...

Listen, I know this is completely crazy but listen, I have been out with four girls. I just don't care about them. Ever since our date I find it weird that you from time to time, still come to my mind. I think I am somehow attracted to you.


her:blah blah blah, but we barley know eachother, i don't feel the same way, stalker etc. blaah baaaa blaaa

you: OK, Look, nothing is expected from you, it is just the truth, we could see each other, or we could never see each other again, it does not matter. What does matter is, I could never live my life knowing someone I thought about, never gave me a second thought.



now don't expect anything out of this, the fact that she has not ever contacted you since is a shitty sign, the fact that your first post indicated she is always 'busy' is a bad sign, just make what ever choice you feel is the right one anything at this point is a long shot, but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Might as well take a shot, miss and know you tried, in the meantime make sure you are hitting up other girls and move on from this one especially after you 'take another shot' if you do a good job and she still rejects you, there is a good chance if you remain non-needy she will take that 'second thought' just wait for her to come to you, don't go to her every time.

also would be really good if you use your own words that are congruent to you, rather then copy other peoples styles/exact words, in-congruence makes you look weird. unless you are congruently incongruent

also keep frame control in mind, if you get a why? or what? or some sort of attempt at making you qualify yourself for your statement, DO NOT FUCKING TAKE THAT BAIT, a simple there is no 'why' or it simply can not be explained it is a feeling, not a choice.

Last time we spoke was a week ago, I wished her a happy birthday then told her she's different from all the other girls. So I feel I already came honest with her and my intentions and coming honest again will be SPAM my powers even more.
I told her I wanted to see her this week. She replied with "It will have to be later in the week, I hope you understand" She's also saying that she's not 100% herself and she's not feeling good these days.

So I replied to her with "Hey, I don't want to see you unless you're 100% yourself"
then she said "I can't even see myself like this, haha"

Yeah it was pretty bloody clear what was going on there, how can this girl be saying that on her birthday that she didn't want to see herself like this, come one, big time incongruence there. And when she said "I hope you understand" I really felt that was the hidden message that gave me that cold sad feeling.

I don't know what to say, it's strange, she's friendly during my texts, althought she wont pick up when I call her. I know if she lost all interest she wouldn't even answer my texts. So either theres a little interest left and I should just give her time to contact me or she's just playing a game.

I thought you should wait and choose a right time
it cnot be hurry
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I have not kissed girl's on the first date before and fucked them on the second. I think I could have got sex on the first if I escalated sooner. Anyways, It's not a deal killer but i agree it should be done.

But was she a 10?
Me too I've done that but I think this approach only works with 8's and bellow.
Just my take on it