I disagree. This is more common than you think. We all go around wishing that it wasnt so but truth is, most people are willing to cheat if the other person is good enough, especially if they wont be found out.

Still, the best thing you can do if you decide to go there is make sure she knows that it is just sex and will not become anything more, ever...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Well for me it's never been more than just sex, never got that deep in, never let it happen. And weather the relationship is fucked or not really doesn't matter, if she's willing to cheat than it may as well be with me.

And this whole "go find a single chick" thing, if I'm at a bar and I've just K-closed a HB and then she says she has a boyfriend, it's a bit hard to walk away and start over again with a new chick, I mean you're already 80% of your way into this girls pants, it's a not easy to just walk away from that, boyfriend or not. Sayng "go find a single chick" is easier said than done, if I walk away from boyfriend chick than chances are I'm going home alone, so it's not like you have a choice out of boyfriend-chick and single-chick, reality most of the time is boyfriend-chick or no-chick.

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I disagree, I think following through with it is harder in the long run. I've done it before and feel like shit because I think of the potential negative consequences it could have for her and him if he finds out. And if you've already been making out with one girl in a bar it's pretty easy to find another. The reality certainly isn't boyfriend chick or nothing.

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Well I might pick-up roughly 1 in 4 times I go out, so if I walk away from boyfriend chick theoretically there's only a 25% chance I'm going to find something else, if it was like a 70% chance, then yea I'd probably walk away.

A lot of guys on here have been talking about the negative consequences but of the dozens of chicks I've F-closed with boyfriends I can only think of 1 or 2 times there was any blowback whatsoever, and even then it was only minor.

And as far as feeling bad goes, sorry but I just don't feel bad about it, that's her job to feel bad, shes the one fucking up not me, I just happen to be there.

I do follow some basic rules though. If I'm mates with the guy then I don't do it, even if I know him at all that'd be enough to stop me half the time. Also F-close on first meeting, there's no day 2's or anything like that if she has a boyfriend, F-close on first meet or move on. There's probably some other but I can't think of them right now.

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Think there is a difference between not realising she has a bf until last minute and actively going out to destroy the boyfriend. IMO BD are very AFC as they do not naturally suggest the woman is keen to cheat - she's being manipulated into doing so from someone playing with her emotions.

This is not natural game, this is being a dodgy creep who doesn't respect women and the fact they may be happy in a relationship. If she really wanted to cheat you wouldn't need to use a destroyer.

If I walk up to a girl and the first thing she says is "i have a boyfriend" I'm not thinking, awesome I can make her cheat. If she says she has a boyfriend BEFORE i've made any real progress, then I'll walk, but if she says she has a boyfriend AFTER i've made real progress, than i'll just keep going, especially if I've already K-closed. I kind of have to be invited in first, if you know what i mean.

I'm not running around actively trying to break up relationships, but if a chick with a boyfriend jumps on me I'm not going to say no.

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Well, gentlemen. This weekend has been one of the most interesting weekends of my life. I honestly don't think she's happy with the person she is with now. She has gone along with everything that I have said and it ended with me having my first lay with a girl that has a boyfriend.


I don't feel bad, I'm not friends with him so it won't matter and I'm pretty sure I'm not the first. I doubt we'll see each other again but who knows.

-Vixen

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at least your honest with yourself and more importantly with us but I know what you mean I stole like 2 girls from their bf (though it wasn't a long term bf they had just started or something) and it gave me a weird high. I knew it was wrong but I love that I could do that I guess we're just fucked in the head man.

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Suriyel - According to the Book of Enoch, Suriyel was one of the leaders of angels who lusted after the daughters of men.

let me answer the thread with a question why did you join the community???? was you terrible with girls because you didnt talk to them or because a girl screwed you up ?
now i ask this because ive been on both sides, a girl broke up with me because she was cheating on me with my confidante, and i broke up another friends relationship because i wanted to screw his girlfriend (in fact i screwed her whilst he believed he was still in a relationship with her!!) now i know that makes me an asshole and i came clean to him and he was ok with it as he could handle it!

the girl who cheated on me was my first girlfriend the first girl i slept with and it hit me pretty bad.

the reason i say this is if you go out of your way to break up a relationship just to get sex with a girl you arent all that interested in you could be the cause of screwing some guy up he might end up having to be one of us and get advice on a forum on how to get over a breakup and being honest its not fair.. theres plenty of single girls and most importantly karma is a bitch, so if you manage to break up a relationship and she gets with you, whats to stop her doing that to you and hooking up with someone else!

i am not taking the moral high ground because youre going to make your bed and lie in it but you should at least question your decision

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I take everything as an opportunity to learn. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure she wasn't the first. I doubt we'll see each other again. I'm not in the game for relationships man. I'm getting over one-itis

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